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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #76 on: November 19, 2018, 08:15:22 PM »
Rich people would feel the impacts of Bernie's ideology in practice more than anybody else.

So would those who are employed by rich people.
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« Reply #77 on: November 19, 2018, 08:24:13 PM »
So would those who are employed by rich people.

I'm not trying to argue on behalf of Bernie's ideology, just his character.
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #78 on: November 19, 2018, 08:29:07 PM »
I'm not trying to argue on behalf of Bernie's ideology, just his character.


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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #79 on: November 19, 2018, 08:30:02 PM »
I'm not trying to argue on behalf of Bernie's ideology, just his character.

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« Reply #80 on: November 19, 2018, 08:30:34 PM »
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« Reply #81 on: November 19, 2018, 08:59:18 PM »
I'm not trying to argue on behalf of Bernie's ideology, just his character.

His character is the worst imaginable.  His character leads to mass starvation, oppression, and death.  His character resulted in the deaths of over one hundred million people in the last 100 years.  The entire premise of man having a need to work, and that that work should go to the benefit of everyone else is the greatest destroyer the world has ever seen.

Do you see what is happening to Venezuela right now?  This is what Bernie proposes for the US.  And you actually think this is a reflection of good character?  Please.

There is nothing good about envy.  There is nothing good about stealing from those who produce and rewarding those who do not.  It is evil, pure and simple, no matter how 'good' you deem his intentions to be.  History is a great teacher.  Yet many choose to ignore it.
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« Reply #82 on: November 19, 2018, 09:02:04 PM »
Rich people would feel the impacts of Bernie's ideology in practice more than anybody else.

Nonsense.  Who felt the bite of communism more, the little guy who had to stand in line for hours to get a loaf of crappy bread, or the party functionary with his dacha on the Black Sea?

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« Reply #83 on: November 19, 2018, 09:04:58 PM »
Nonsense.  Who felt the bite of communism more, the little guy who had to stand in line for hours to get a loaf of crappy bread, or the party functionary with his dacha on the Black Sea?

And middle to lower income people would feel more the effects of the inflation that would result
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #84 on: November 19, 2018, 09:09:02 PM »
Nonsense.  Who felt the bite of communism more, the little guy who had to stand in line for hours to get a loaf of crappy bread, or the party functionary with his dacha on the Black Sea?

Bernie claims that he doesn't stand for communism, but instead for something similar to what they do in the Scandinavian countries. He's never spoken of removing the private sector, which is a mandatory part of achieving communism. He wants rich people to pay a lot more taxes to offset the cost of things like universal healthcare and government funded college. I know a lot of conservatives think that's communism/socialism but that's just factually incorrect. The Scandinavian countries are capitalist.
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« Reply #85 on: November 19, 2018, 09:15:23 PM »
Bernie claims that he doesn't stand for communism, but instead for something similar to what they do in the Scandinavian countries. He's never spoken of removing the private sector, which is a mandatory part of achieving communism. He wants rich people to pay a lot more taxes to offset the cost of things like universal healthcare and government funded college. I know a lot of conservatives think that's communism/socialism but that's just factually incorrect. The Scandinavian countries are capitalist.

Yeah, communists like to claim lots of things that aren’t so.  Normal people call that lying.  The president calls it truthful hyperbole, at least when he does it. 

“The rich” don’t magically disappear, not even in the pseudo-socialist Scandinavian countries.  Those who wish to remain wish simply buy the appropriate number of senior level politicians, and the party goes on. 

If the Scandinavian countries appear more egalitarian, it’s because of the relative social and racial homogeneity of those countries, not because they’ve found the magic socialist elixir. 

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« Reply #86 on: November 19, 2018, 09:16:11 PM »
They believe they (The Federal Government) is the only moral arbiter worth ascribing to, and without them, the poor would starve, the sick would be, etc....
They do not believe that we the people have enough moral fiber to solve these problem on a local level, and that we also lack the intelligence to do so, Constitution and 10th amendment be damned.

And more than that - They take away the responsibility.
Liberty and Responsibility are synonymous.

In fact, they are taking away liberty.

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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #87 on: November 19, 2018, 09:17:36 PM »
Yeah, communists like to claim lots of things that aren’t so.  Normal people call that lying.  The president calls it truthful hyperbole, at least when he does it.

What makes you think that he's lying about his position? Maybe he actually wants to emulate Scandinavian capitalism. I don't think he has ever spoken of removing the private sector. I see no reason to believe he's not telling the truth about the things he wants to do.
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« Reply #88 on: November 19, 2018, 09:21:32 PM »
He wants rich people to pay a lot more taxes to offset the cost of things like universal healthcare and government funded college.

So what happens when rich people decide to stop working because of high taxes?  What then?  Who's going to pay for universal health care and college then?

btw, the top 3% of wage earners already pay more taxes than the bottom 97%.  Yet you think they should be paying more?  My, aren't you greedy.
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« Reply #89 on: November 19, 2018, 09:21:43 PM »
What makes you think that he's lying about his position? Maybe he actually wants to emulate Scandinavian capitalism. I don't think he has ever spoken of removing the private sector.

He’s either lying, or an idiot of epic proportions.  How is he going to impose the social, cultural, and racial homogeneity that is the real source of the apparent egalitarianism of those countries?  Sweden is falling to pieces simply because it cannot deal with a tiny minority of Muslim immigrants who will not, and in terms of race, cannot, conform. 

There are also still plenty of wealthy Swedes.  Looks like they ain’t feeling the sting that much:  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swedes_by_net_worth
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #90 on: November 19, 2018, 09:22:04 PM »
What makes you think that he's lying about his position? Maybe he actually wants to emulate Scandinavian capitalism. I don't think he has ever spoken of removing the private sector.

Scandanavia does not pay for it's defense - WE DO. Without that generosity, their system crumbles to dust, even as Venezuela.

It will not work here.

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« Reply #91 on: November 19, 2018, 09:24:08 PM »
“The rich” don’t magically disappear, not even in the pseudo-socialist Scandinavian countries.  Those who wish to remain wish simply buy the appropriate number of senior level politicians, and the party goes on. 

If the Scandinavian countries appear more egalitarian, it’s because of the relative social and racial homogeneity of those countries, not because they’ve found the magic socialist elixir.

I'm just trying to make his public positions clear and explain that what he wants is not literal socialism/communism. I guess he could be lying, but I see no reason to assume that.
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« Reply #92 on: November 19, 2018, 09:26:21 PM »
I'm just trying to make his public positions clear and explain that what he wants is not literal socialism/communism. I guess he could be lying, but I see no reason to assume that.

His positions are quite clear:  he thinks that money grows on trees, that those who have it don’t deserve it, and that he, crabbed little syphilitic white devil that he is, knows better than everyone else how that free money should be distributed.

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« Reply #93 on: November 19, 2018, 09:29:02 PM »
He’s either lying, or an idiot of epic proportions.  How is he going to impose the social, cultural, and racial homogeneity that is the real source of the apparent egalitarianism of those countries?   

You'd have to ask him I guess.

Sweden is falling to pieces simply because it cannot deal with a tiny minority of Muslim immigrants who will not, and in terms of race, cannot, conform.

Sweden allowed a million impoverished Middle Easterners that don't speak the language into their country of only 9 million. That's like if we let 40 million people that don't speak English immigrate here over the span of a couple of years. Can you imagine the horrifying impact that would have on our economics and society in general? They screwed up and they know it. The main difference between the left and right in Sweden is immigration. The right has recently taken a lot of control because of the immigration screw ups.

There are also still plenty of wealthy Swedes.  Looks like they ain’t feeling the sting that much:  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swedes_by_net_worth

Agreed.

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« Reply #94 on: November 19, 2018, 09:29:47 PM »
Scandanavia does not pay for it's defense - WE DO. Without that generosity, their system crumbles to dust, even as Venezuela.

It will not work here.

We should stop paying for their defense and see what happens.
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« Reply #95 on: November 19, 2018, 09:32:23 PM »
You'd have to ask him I guess.

Sweden allowed a million impoverished Middle Easterners that don't speak the language into their country of only 9 million. That's like us letting in 40 million people that don't speak English. Can you imagine the horrifying impact that would have on our economics and society in general? They screwed up and they know it. The main difference between the left and right in Sweden is immigration. The right has recently taken a lot of control because of the immigration screw ups.

Agreed.



No, I’m asking you, because you’re here pitching him and his policies as a good thing.  How will you enforce the necessary conformity and homogeneity necessary for this stuff to work?  Camps?  Gas?

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« Reply #96 on: November 19, 2018, 09:32:32 PM »
We should stop paying for their defense and see what happens.

We know what happens.
Germany or Russia.
You decide.

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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #97 on: November 19, 2018, 09:32:33 PM »
Topics merged.

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« Reply #98 on: November 19, 2018, 09:34:08 PM »
We know what happens.
Germany or Russia.
You decide.

You think Germany or Russia will invade Sweden without U.S forces present in Europe?

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« Reply #99 on: November 19, 2018, 09:35:18 PM »
No, I’m asking you, because you’re here pitching him and his policies as a good thing.  How will you enforce the necessary conformity and homogeneity necessary for this stuff to work?  Camps?  Gas?

My stance on immigration is likely far more conservative than yours is.
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