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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #425 on: November 24, 2018, 01:18:49 am »
If I had thin skin I'd get upset at you and escalate the conflict rather than try to deescalate it. I want my presence to generate quality discussion and disagreement. I don't want to ignore you because I know you're capable of better. I don't come here to troll and be an bleep. I like to bounce my thoughts off of groups of people that see things differently. That's how I learn things I didn't know before and grow. I think it's possible for people to disagree with each other, never come to a complete resolution but maybe learn something anyway.

I think that is is total hogwash. You are and have always been a dem troll.   
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« Reply #426 on: November 24, 2018, 01:19:19 am »
Another issue facing these programs is rising interest rates and with 21 trillion in debt and rising, servicing the debt will become more expensive. Also, if taxes get too high for people’s comfort level, they make economic decisions that they feel are in their best interest. A perfect example is people leaving high tax states for lower tax states

SS is in less trouble than Medicare

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« Reply #427 on: November 24, 2018, 01:24:43 am »
I think that is is total hogwash. You are and have always been a dem troll.

Trolls seek to reduce the quality of discussion. Do you really think that's my intention?
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« Reply #428 on: November 24, 2018, 01:30:04 am »
Trolls seek to reduce the quality of discussion. Do you really think that's my intention?

Oh no.  You always want to be the center of attention.  Please play thu.  The Mods have your back. 
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« Reply #429 on: November 24, 2018, 01:44:45 am »
The Mods have your back.

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« Reply #430 on: November 24, 2018, 01:49:47 am »
Is there anything else to be said about Miss Occasional Cortex, or are we just waiting for her next bone headed pronouncement?
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« Reply #431 on: November 24, 2018, 02:04:17 am »
Is there anything else to be said about Miss Occasional Cortex, or are we just waiting for her next bone headed pronouncement?

Pretty sure it's the latter. 333cleo
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« Reply #432 on: November 24, 2018, 02:26:44 am »
They're good mods. They know I'm not about low quality bickering so they tolerate me even though they probably take issue with a lot of my opinions. Do you want an echo chamber? That's boring.

Oh no they know you are a low quality poster.  They took offense at my calling you a bleep and deleted my comment.   For that I apologize.
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« Reply #433 on: November 24, 2018, 02:29:40 am »
Can churches and other form of community charity really replace what these programs do to help people? We have a population of over 330 million. Would it perhaps be the case that a lot of people wouldn't get the kind of help they currently get from the government?

They did before.

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« Reply #434 on: November 24, 2018, 02:41:32 am »
I'm here because I'm not afraid to be wrong.

Well you've got to do what you're good at.  :shrug:

Don't worry... by the time you get some age on, time and experience will have no doubt knocked your socialist dreams to tatters There is a reason young folks are socialists and old folks are conservative.
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« Reply #435 on: November 24, 2018, 02:44:05 am »
Is there anything else to be said about Miss Occasional Cortex, or are we just waiting for her next bone headed pronouncement?

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« Reply #436 on: November 24, 2018, 02:49:36 am »
Is there anything else to be said about Miss Occasional Cortex, or are we just waiting for her next bone headed pronouncement?

Waiting?  I think she's the author of just about every other post on this thread.
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« Reply #437 on: November 24, 2018, 02:58:50 am »
Waiting?  I think she's the author of just about every other post on this thread.

I wonder how she feels about immigration and nationalism.
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« Reply #438 on: November 24, 2018, 04:43:59 am »
It's common sense I think. Public opinion across all age groups is in favor of SS, so even without any other information what I said is true.

Apparently, logic is not your strong suit.  In order to make a valid claim that most young people are in favor of Social Security, you would have to present a sample exclusively made up of young and then polling them for their support/opposition to Social Security.  Instead, you have made a blanket statement of all people and then applied that statement exclusively to young people with zero evidence of support.  So no, there is no deductive way to claim your statement as "true".


Young people want social security.

Apparently, math isn't your strong suit either.  Consider a worker earning $25K/yr ($12/hr).  Beginning at age 25, this worker is allowed to take the portion of his income earmarked for Social Security taxes and invest that money in a fund averaging 7% growth.  He does this for 40 years earning the same $25K and investing the same amount each month.

When he retires at age 65, he will have a retirement fund of over $680,000.  The interest alone on that will net him a retirement salary of $47K - almost double what he made as a worker.  And he won't even have to touch the $680K.  That will remain intact until he dies, at which point it would pass to his children and grandchildren.

Given this option, you seriously think a young worker would prefer giving his money over to the government instead (to be spent immediately) with some promise that he will get a check from them until he dies at which point his children and grandchildren will be given a whopping $255 check?  Think, man.


Also young people today are more left leaning than any other generation.

Young people today are more cynical and apolitical than any other generation., thanks to broken government promises.  And they are already pissed off that the government has screwed them over bigtime on student loans with interest rates 3 times the discount rate.
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« Reply #439 on: November 24, 2018, 06:19:30 am »
They're good mods. They know I'm not about low quality bickering so they tolerate me even though they probably take issue with a lot of my opinions. Do you want an echo chamber? That's boring.

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« Reply #440 on: November 24, 2018, 01:24:29 pm »
Apparently, logic is not your strong suit.  In order to make a valid claim that most young people are in favor of Social Security, you would have to present a sample exclusively made up of young and then polling them for their support/opposition to Social Security.  Instead, you have made a blanket statement of all people and then applied that statement exclusively to young people with zero evidence of support.  So no, there is no deductive way to claim your statement as "true".

If all age groups are in favor of SS then that means young people are in favor of SS.
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« Reply #441 on: November 24, 2018, 01:30:48 pm »
@Dexter

Nobody here wants an echo chamber.

But a very good majority of us Don't want over simplified, worn out solipsisms and previously, copiously debunked BANNER ONE LINERS masking as serious debate.

Most left leaning people would be calling you a Nazi and cursing your very existence. Surely I'm at least better than most of the others, right? I can't fit into any circle anymore because of my particular set of views, and that's thanks to things I've learned on this forum. I'd get banned from DU in about 10 minutes.
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« Reply #442 on: November 24, 2018, 01:33:29 pm »
Most left leaning people would be calling you a Nazi and cursing your very existence. Surely I'm at least better than most of the others, right? I can't fit into any circle anymore because of my particular set of views, and that's thanks to things I've learned on this forum. I'd get banned from DU in about 10 minutes.
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« Reply #443 on: November 24, 2018, 01:47:41 pm »
@Dexter

Nobody here wants an echo chamber.

But a very good majority of us Don't want over simplified, worn out solipsisms and previously, copiously debunked BANNER ONE LINERS masking as serious debate.

I'm not so sure about that, TWB.
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« Reply #444 on: November 24, 2018, 01:52:34 pm »
Most left leaning people would be calling you a Nazi and cursing your very existence. Surely I'm at least better than most of the others, right? I can't fit into any circle anymore because of my particular set of views, and that's thanks to things I've learned on this forum. I'd get banned from DU in about 10 minutes.

Absolute horse dung. Only the most virulent of liberals go so low as to invoke Hitler/Nazism. The kind of broad brush claims you're making are indicative of intellectual laziness. They detract from the points you're trying to make.
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« Reply #445 on: November 24, 2018, 02:12:32 pm »
Absolute horse dung. Only the most virulent of liberals go so low as to invoke Hitler/Nazism. The kind of broad brush claims you're making are indicative of intellectual laziness. They detract from the points you're trying to make.

I think you underestimate how polarized and rage-driven the left has become. I can't even talk to most of them anymore because everything is exaggerated or intentionally misinterpreted nonsense. They're not honest.
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« Reply #446 on: November 24, 2018, 02:13:57 pm »
@Dexter

Like what?

Nationalism, immigration and the second amendment. Even on the right most people don't take those things as far as I do. Liberals on DU hate this country and anybody that prioritizes its interests.
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« Reply #448 on: November 24, 2018, 02:30:42 pm »
Obama and Hillary are suggesting that the right is a bunch of racists and deplorables. It should come as no surprise that most drones on the left see y'all as such.
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« Reply #449 on: November 24, 2018, 02:37:11 pm »
They're good mods. They know I'm not about low quality bickering so they tolerate me even though they probably take issue with a lot of my opinions. Do you want an echo chamber? That's boring.
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