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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #400 on: November 23, 2018, 07:36:39 PM »
You are a special kind of stupid if you believe that.

I told you that he was a  LONG time ago but here he is still trolling.

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« Reply #401 on: November 23, 2018, 07:37:38 PM »
You're not being dictated. It has been suggested that you shouldn't be pushy in a race you have no horse in, like the future of social security. This issue doesn't concern you. Let young people decide. Ultimately you have no choice but to entrust the future to them. They might not be as "no nothing" as you assume.

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« Reply #402 on: November 23, 2018, 07:42:41 PM »
I think they know it's coming, that's why they are thumping the tub for "reform."  They hope to screw over the preceding generations, if we let them.

If I understand your comment correctly, I see it quite differently.

If SS died today, and folks like us who paid in never got anything back, it wouldn't be the younger generations that screwed us.  It would be us, our parents, and our grandparents.  The kids that are going to be expected to pay taxes to pay my SS never had a say in the matter.  Just because I paid in to pay the benefits for my parents and grandparents doesn't mean I should expect my kids and grandkids to pay for my benefits.  It's a Ponzi scheme, that's been evident from day one.  We could have taken the hit (actually, I expect I will, so I've always planned accordingly and just considered it yet another tax) and put an end to it, but we didn't. 

I'll stand up and applaud the generation who steps up and says, "No.  Screw that.  We didn't promise you jack.  Game over."
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #403 on: November 23, 2018, 07:43:38 PM »
I told you that he was a  LONG time ago but here he is still trolling.

That's funny coming from people that would call me stupid and launch other ad hominem attacks rather than actually have a cordial discussion. Logic traps, gotchas and all that "trolling" jazz doesn't work if your world view is sound.
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #404 on: November 23, 2018, 07:45:04 PM »
I'll stand up and applaud the generation who steps up and says, "No.  Screw that.  We didn't promise you jack.  Game over."

Young people would never do that to you. I hope when I'm a senior that remains true.
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« Reply #405 on: November 23, 2018, 07:47:36 PM »
Young people already know that there won't be a dime of Social Security money for them when they retire.
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« Reply #406 on: November 23, 2018, 07:50:18 PM »
Young people already know that there won't be a dime of Social Security money for them when they retire.

Not according to Dextor.   Socialists always find money,.

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« Reply #407 on: November 23, 2018, 07:50:52 PM »
I don't think young people want to take away your nest egg.

I've been told they don't want to take away my guns, either. 

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« Reply #408 on: November 23, 2018, 07:51:07 PM »
The vast majority of young people today don't want social security and medicare to end.

Evidence?
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #409 on: November 23, 2018, 07:52:02 PM »
Not according to Dextor.   Socialists always find money,.

If you think I'm a socialist it's only because you don't understand what that actually is. Also I doubt you've ever met anybody on the left with my particular set of views.
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« Reply #410 on: November 23, 2018, 07:52:07 PM »
Young people already know that there won't be a dime of Social Security money for them when they retire.

What they’ll get is a check with reduced purchasing power
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #411 on: November 23, 2018, 07:53:13 PM »
I told you that he was a  LONG time ago but here he is still trolling.

I know.   I think Nancy keeps cishim around for entertainment value.

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« Reply #412 on: November 23, 2018, 07:54:39 PM »
Evidence?

https://www.nasi.org/learn/social-security/public-opinions-social-security

Public opinion in general is strongly in favor of social security. Young people tend to be left leaning in particular, as I'm sure you know.
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #413 on: November 23, 2018, 07:55:18 PM »
If I understand your comment correctly, I see it quite differently.

If SS died today, and folks like us who paid in never got anything back, it wouldn't be the younger generations that screwed us.  It would be us, our parents, and our grandparents.  The kids that are going to be expected to pay taxes to pay my SS never had a say in the matter.  Just because I paid in to pay the benefits for my parents and grandparents doesn't mean I should expect my kids and grandkids to pay for my benefits.  It's a Ponzi scheme, that's been evident from day one.  We could have taken the hit (actually, I expect I will, so I've always planned accordingly and just considered it yet another tax) and put an end to it, but we didn't. 

I'll stand up and applaud the generation who steps up and says, "No.  Screw that.  We didn't promise you jack.  Game over."

I'd hate to be from a generation that preceded that guy. 
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« Reply #414 on: November 23, 2018, 07:56:09 PM »
I'd hate to be from a generation that preceded that guy.

We should ignore each other if we can't have quality discussion. It's better for the forum.
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« Reply #415 on: November 23, 2018, 07:58:12 PM »
We should ignore each other if we can't have quality discussion. It's better for the forum.

Since you are racking up the posts, I suppose it is I who should STFU, right? 
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #416 on: November 23, 2018, 08:00:22 PM »
Since you are racking up the posts, I suppose it is I who should STFU, right?

I see no reason for us to acknowledge each other at all if it can't be done cordially. I'm not interested in flame wars.
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« Reply #417 on: November 23, 2018, 08:00:26 PM »
If you think I'm a socialist it's only because you don't understand what that actually is. Also I doubt you've ever met anybody on the left with my particular set of views.

Like BigUn I know when a guy wants to <Gimme a break here> with views particular to yours,  And you sir are that kind of guy.
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« Reply #418 on: November 23, 2018, 08:00:55 PM »
https://www.nasi.org/learn/social-security/public-opinions-social-security

Public opinion in general is strongly in favor of social security. Young people tend to be left leaning in particular, as I'm sure you know.

The link doesn’t break down age groups. I’m not saying you’re wrong or right. It’s you haven’t provided evidence to back your claim
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #419 on: November 23, 2018, 08:03:24 PM »
The link doesn’t break down age groups. I’m not saying you’re wrong or right. It’s you haven’t provided evidence to back your claim

It's common sense I think. Public opinion across all age groups is in favor of SS, so even without any other information what I said is true. Young people want social security. Also young people today are more left leaning than any other generation. It's obvious that they are very strongly in favor of social programs. 
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #420 on: November 23, 2018, 08:04:08 PM »
I see no reason for us to acknowledge each other at all if it can't be done cordially. I'm not interested in flame wars.

You have a point.  Since you are so thin-skinned that everything I say has some kind of quality problem, I'd suggest you exercise the "Ignore" feature at TBR.  I will not return the favor, because you're amusing to me.
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« Reply #421 on: November 23, 2018, 08:07:32 PM »
Americans SAY they’re willing to pay more taxes to fund SS and Medicare, but it’s one thing to tell something to a pollster verses ones actions. Many of those same people will take all tax deductions to lower their personal burden.

What most people mean is they’re willing to have others pay more taxes.

BTW, I’m not against SS and Medicare as a safety net. But I think we need to face the mathematical and demographic realities when it comes to both. At one time, there was a lot more workers per retiree than today

Some have talked about things like means testing, block grants to states, partial privatization.

Each has its pros and cons
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #422 on: November 23, 2018, 08:07:52 PM »
You have a point.  Since you are so thin-skinned that everything I say has some kind of quality problem, I'd suggest you exercise the "Ignore" feature at TBR.  I will not return the favor, because you're amusing to me.

He is amusing.  I have seen his kind before.   Only Oceander has lasted the test of time.
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« Reply #423 on: November 23, 2018, 08:11:51 PM »
You have a point.  Since you are so thin-skinned that everything I say has some kind of quality problem, I'd suggest you exercise the "Ignore" feature at TBR.  I will not return the favor, because you're amusing to me.

If I had thin skin I'd get upset at you and escalate the conflict rather than try to deescalate it. I want my presence to generate quality discussion and disagreement. I don't want to ignore you because I know you're capable of better. I don't come here to troll and be a jerk. I like to bounce my thoughts off of groups of people that see things differently. That's how I learn things and grow politically. I think it's possible for people to disagree with each other, never come to a complete resolution but learn something anyway.
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« Reply #424 on: November 23, 2018, 08:16:10 PM »
Like BigUn I know when a guy wants to <Gimme a break here> with views particular to yours,  And you sir are that kind of guy.

All I want is to know more tomorrow than I know today, and challenging myself to face the opposition on their turf is a great way to achieve that. That's why I originally came here. It wasn't to cause trouble. I'm here because I'm not afraid to be wrong.
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