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WE DON'T HAVE TO BE CIVIL, to those who oppose us.
« on: November 05, 2018, 05:26:18 pm »
We have heard it clearly. They have said it openly and with pride.
Why would they ever imagine that this statement would be completely one sided?
Ok, I guess? We don't have to be civil anymore. If that is what they want, then let's give to them.
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Re: WE DON'T HAVE TO BE CIVIL, to those who oppose us.
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2018, 07:15:12 pm »
We have heard it clearly. They have said it openly and with pride.
Why would they ever imagine that this statement would be completely one sided?
Ok, I guess? We don't have to be civil anymore. If that is what they want, then let's give to them.

That is not our way.  This President is the first we've had since RR who was willing to hand their heads to them, and look at the shots he's taking from those allegedly on our side.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2018, 08:04:44 pm »
We have heard it clearly. They have said it openly and with pride.
Why would they ever imagine that this statement would be completely one sided?
Ok, I guess? We don't have to be civil anymore. If that is what they want, then let's give to them.

That has backfired on them politically.  Why give up that advantage?

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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2018, 10:16:33 pm »
We don't have to, but if we are, it makes our opponents look like petulant children when they are uncivil.

Being civil is not the same thing as not fighting back.  Review the video of Lindsay Graham's "You guys want power.  God! I hope you never get it!" speech to see what I'm talking about.  He was perfectly civil, while delivering an impassioned attack on the Democrats. 
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2018, 10:26:32 pm »
We don't have to, but if we are, it makes our opponents look like petulant children when they are uncivil.

Being civil is not the same thing as not fighting back.  Review the video of Lindsay Graham's "You guys want power.  God! I hope you never get it!" speech to see what I'm talking about.  He was perfectly civil, while delivering an impassioned attack on the Democrats.

Very much agree. Reagan also provides a great example of fighting back while being civil. It is the key to what made him so persuasive with a wide range of people.

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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2018, 10:39:44 pm »
If being civil means refraining from unprovoked physical violence and/or verbal abuse the by all means we should remain civil.

But if being civil means not saying anything that the left disagrees with or doing anything that makes them unhappy, which I suspect is the standard of civility they expect from us, then I hope we continue the incivility.

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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2018, 10:52:49 pm »
The left's current version of "incivility" is to be rude and nasty to people not because they've been rude and nasty, but simply because they don't oppose Trump.  So if someone is advocating that we mirror that, it would mean being rude and nasty to anyone who doesn't support Trump, even if they are otherwise a nice, reasonable person, and treat us just fine.

That seems rather disgusting to me.

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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2018, 11:15:08 pm »
We don't have to, but if we are, it makes our opponents look like petulant children when they are uncivil.

Being civil is not the same thing as not fighting back.  Review the video of Lindsay Graham's "You guys want power.  God! I hope you never get it!" speech to see what I'm talking about.  He was perfectly civil, while delivering an impassioned attack on the Democrats.

Why I feel a need to say this I don’t know, but I’ll say it anyway, Trump‘s personality and verbal skills are different than Lindsay Graham’s. In business, he has shown innate abilities that are serving voters well in politics.

You may not like them, but those skills work for him and are proving killer effective. Trump’s lived up to the hype of a never-give-up, successful American.

Secondly, we knew all this about him when we voted for him; we voted for him not in spite of his personality, but because of it. All of that patriotic zeal and non-politician status was just icing on the cake.
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2018, 11:45:53 pm »
Why I feel a need to say this I don’t know, but I’ll say it anyway, Trump‘s personality and verbal skills are different than Lindsay Graham’s. In business, he has shown innate abilities that are serving voters well in politics.

You may not like them, but those skills work for him and are proving killer effective. Trump’s lived up to the hype of a never-give-up, successful American.

Secondly, we knew all this about him when we voted for him; we voted him not in spite of his personality, but because of it. All of that patriotic zeal and non-politician status was just icing on the cake.

Worked for Don King too... Hardly the standard to run a country on...

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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2018, 12:00:41 am »
Why I feel a need to say this I don’t know, but I’ll say it anyway, Trump‘s personality and verbal skills are different than Lindsay Graham’s. In business, he has shown innate abilities that are serving voters well in politics.

You may not like them, but those skills work for him and are proving killer effective. Trump’s lived up to the hype of a never-give-up, successful American.

Secondly, we knew all this about him when we voted for him; we voted him not in spite of his personality, but because of it. All of that patriotic zeal and non-politician status was just icing on the cake.


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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2018, 12:52:13 am »
Being civil is not the same thing as not fighting back.  Review the video of Lindsay Graham's "You guys want power.  God! I hope you never get it!" speech to see what I'm talking about.  He was perfectly civil, while delivering an impassioned attack on the Democrats.

Exactly.

Some people think that the Left's goal is to win some elections.  Nope; that's only a stepping stone.  They want to tear down our society and culture, replacing it with their own vision.

Civility strengthens a society, so every bit of incivility they can incite is a win for them.

Recall their "Make 'em swear, and we win!" (turned into "If they're swearin', we're winnin'!) from decades ago?  They haven't forgotten -- I guarantee.

Does this mean roll over?  Again, nope.   It means we have to think strategically, not just emotionally and short-term/small picture.

Hit back hard...without giving them a strategic victory.
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2018, 01:08:11 am »
You may not like them, but those skills work for him and are proving killer effective.

Exactly!

If he was different and tried to work with Congress, we wouldn't have that big beautiful wall already built, the deficit going down instead of up, term limits, the end of Obamacare, etc.!  Thank goodness he's a belligerent, go-it-alone, reality-be-damned uncouth, uncivil lout!
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2018, 03:56:40 am »
Give the appearance of acting civilly.

But underneath, be ruthless.

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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2018, 05:13:06 am »
Descending to their level only makes it more difficult to reach the "Both Sides are the same damn louts Anyway, so why bother to vote? I'm Done with it." crowd.

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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2018, 11:53:23 am »
Why I feel a need to say this I don’t know, but I’ll say it anyway, Trump‘s personality and verbal skills are different than Lindsay Graham’s. In business, he has shown innate abilities that are serving voters well in politics.

You may not like them, but those skills work for him and are proving killer effective. Trump’s lived up to the hype of a never-give-up, successful American.

Secondly, we knew all this about him when we voted for him; we voted him not in spite of his personality, but because of it. All of that patriotic zeal and non-politician status was just icing on the cake.

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You don't get it. The FACT that he is successful when none of the anointed  Party People have ever done anything but fail and surrender is WHY the NT's and their Dim pals hate  him so much.
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2018, 11:56:59 am »
Exactly!

If he was different and tried to work with Congress, we wouldn't have that big beautiful wall already built, the deficit going down instead of up, term limits, the end of Obamacare, etc.!  Thank goodness he's a belligerent, go-it-alone, reality-be-damned uncouth, uncivil lout!

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You mean as compared to the wonderful successes of Boy Jorge Bush and the other alleged Republican Pod Politicians? The VERY PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE DIM SUCCESSES THAT ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY?
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2018, 02:41:57 pm »
Exactly!

If he was different and tried to work with Congress, we wouldn't have that big beautiful wall already built, the deficit going down instead of up, term limits, the end of Obamacare, etc.!  Thank goodness he's a belligerent, go-it-alone, reality-be-damned uncouth, uncivil lout!

Sorry, but in my opinion, you have a distorted view of Donald Trump, based I assume on your limited reading of his life. But for once try taking an objective look at this American icon. One that isn’t tainted by your personal political biases. You might come away with a different perspective.

Despite going broke he made it all back, and then some. You think that’s easy?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1992/11/29/trump-went-broke-but-stayed-on-top/e1685555-1de7-400c-99a8-9cd9c0bca9fe/?utm_term=.ef0a939a34c3

Despite knowing that his personal fortune would take a huge hit, this patriotic American ran for president anyway because he knew he had the right message: build the wall, renegotiate bad trade deals, reduce the tax burden on all Americans and the businesses they own. Plus a whole lot more.
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2018, 03:10:25 pm »
Moving to Exclusive Content/Editorial, as the original post in this thread does not reference a published article.

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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2018, 07:28:46 pm »
You mean as compared to

No, I put no comparisons in there.  I don't mean relative; I mean absolute.

But "Whataboutism" is the first refuge of a Trumper, I know.

And you're obsessed with the Bushes, I know.

But please try to address the points at hand.  The fact is, Trump's approach has not been successful at accomplishing his promises, except for SCOTUS, which the Senate was fighting despite him.
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2018, 07:45:57 pm »
I prefer being civil, but put honesty before that.
I think both can be accomplished simultaneously.
It isn't that difficult.

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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2018, 07:46:07 pm »
No, I put no comparisons in there.  I don't mean relative; I mean absolute.

But "Whataboutism" is the first refuge of a Trumper, I know.

And you're obsessed with the Bushes, I know.

But please try to address the points at hand.  The fact is, Trump's approach has not been successful at accomplishing his promises, except for SCOTUS, which the Senate was fighting despite him.

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Ok,the point at hand is you are delusional.
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2018, 07:52:32 pm »
Ok,the point at hand is you are delusional.

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Yes, it's obvious that you can't address the points and have to deflect and distract.
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2018, 07:58:56 pm »
@sneakypete

Yes, it's obvious that you can't address the points and have to deflect and distract.

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WHAT points?  Name THREE things anyone named Bush accomplished in 8 years in the oval office that match what Trump has accomplished in less than two.

BTW,stuff like "sucking up to the Dims" doesn't count.
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Re: WE DON'T HAVE TO BE CIVIL, to those who oppose us.
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2018, 08:11:18 pm »
We don't have to, but if we are, it makes our opponents look like petulant children when they are uncivil.

Being civil is not the same thing as not fighting back.  Review the video of Lindsay Graham's "You guys want power.  God! I hope you never get it!" speech to see what I'm talking about.  He was perfectly civil, while delivering an impassioned attack on the Democrats.

Precisely.

And being crude and uncivil is not even remotely the same thing as "fighting back."

Too many argue that nasty tweets mean fighting.  They don't.  It may make the angry feel better (or just angrier), but it does no good to move the ball toward the end zone.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2018, 08:13:29 pm »
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Ok,the point at hand is you are delusional.

Be merciful and kind to a fellow member who literally has TDS. I think the point poster is missing is that Trump is so good at the presidential thing, that he has had a transformative impact on politics.

After Donald J. Trump, presidential politics will never be the same.