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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #100 on: October 30, 2018, 03:25:50 pm »
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You don’t have to GAF about the optics.  The fact of the matter is, they really effed it up last time with the ineptitude and infighting over the zero tolerance and family separation policy.  They took a political beating in that effort.  Give this admin enough rope (or barbed wire) and they’ll tangle themselves in it, again.
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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #101 on: October 30, 2018, 03:26:48 pm »

Yes and how did that work out for Arpaio?  He’s a convicted, then pardoned has-been, who is partly responsible for making AZ a contested state.

The introduction of tent city and pink underwear was a high point in Arpaio's regime.  Between the tents and the "Ladmo Bag" lunches, he saved the County a fortune and kept the Feds out of running the jail.

And you are giving him far too much credit for making the AZ Senate race contested, that was the work of Flake and McStain.  Sinema was running for that seat since before Arpaio tangled with the Feds over Illegal Immigrant policy.
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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #102 on: October 30, 2018, 03:27:58 pm »
It's not possible to prove or disprove what you are saying, we haven't sent Regular Army into this task before.  It's always been National Guard.  RA is not in the habit of announcing what they're going to do in advance.

Yeah, yeah, I know.  That was just sarc on my part ... in before the snark response by jpsb....lol.
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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #103 on: October 30, 2018, 03:34:42 pm »
@RoosGirl

You don’t have to GAF about the optics.  The fact of the matter is, they really effed it up last time with the ineptitude and infighting over the zero tolerance and family separation policy.  They took a political beating in that effort.  Give this admin enough rope (or barbed wire) and they’ll tangle themselves in it, again.

Yeah, but there's nothing they can do to win the optics of the situation short of having welcome wagons handing out keys to new homes and cars as the invaders come through.

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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #104 on: October 30, 2018, 03:35:11 pm »
2000 NG back in April I think it was, to do paperwork.

National Guard isn't real active duty military.

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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #105 on: October 30, 2018, 03:41:02 pm »
And you are giving him far too much credit for making the AZ Senate race contested, that was the work of Flake and McStain.  Sinema was running for that seat since before Arpaio tangled with the Feds over Illegal Immigrant policy.


There’s no question it’s a combination of McCain, Flake, and Arpaio.  He also ran for that open seat and was a distant third, after losing his bid for sheriff two years prior.  The prison may have once been his calling card, but Old Man Usta is dead.
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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #106 on: October 30, 2018, 03:42:54 pm »






They are, but the optics of whites hosing minorities are poor.  You know the Birmingham footage and Trump comparisons to Bull Connor are ready across the media outlets.

Well...except for the part where our military and Border Patrol are very heavily black and hispanic.  Other than that, you're right on target.... *****rollingeyes*****

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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #107 on: October 30, 2018, 03:45:03 pm »
National Guard isn't real active duty military.

Ummm, don't tell them that. 

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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #108 on: October 30, 2018, 03:45:39 pm »

There’s no question it’s a combination of McCain, Flake, and Arpaio.  He also ran for that open seat and was a distant third, after losing his bid for sheriff two years prior.  The prison may have once been his calling card, but Old Man Usta is dead.

Arpaio's run for the seat was a fookin' joke.  I have no idea why he did that, he's always polled very poorly in statewide races.  He had no effect on the overall race, while the people actually in the race do.

I've known from the get-go this was not going to be an easy race, in fact I've been predicting it's a likely Rat pickup.  Flake actually did us a service by dropping out.
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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #109 on: October 30, 2018, 03:47:51 pm »
Well...except for the part where our military and Border Patrol are very heavily black and hispanic.  Other than that, you're right on target.... *****rollingeyes*****

The press will say they're a bunch of Uncle Toms and Gringo Wannabes.

Personally, I don't think there will be an opportunity to use fire hoses.
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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #110 on: October 30, 2018, 03:57:56 pm »
Pardon the interruption. I’m not a military tactician, but I play one on the Internet.

Go ahead, you all may continue with your...discussion.


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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #111 on: October 30, 2018, 03:58:55 pm »
Pardon the interruption. I’m not a military tactician, but I play one on the Internet.

Go ahead, you all may continue with your...discussion.

I don't know why you people aren't interested in having a serious conversation.

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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #112 on: October 30, 2018, 04:00:21 pm »
...I don’t know nuffin’ bout birthing no foreign policy, either. But, I play one on the Internet.  wink777

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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #113 on: October 30, 2018, 04:02:46 pm »
...I don’t know nuffin’ bout birthing no foreign policy, either. But, I play one on the Internet.  wink777

I don't know why you people aren't interested in having a serious conversation.

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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #114 on: October 30, 2018, 04:05:39 pm »
I don't know why you people aren't interested in having a serious conversation.

In all seriousness, I’m just impressed by how we sitting in our living rooms know so much more about events on the ground than the folks in this administration, with Donald Trump as ceo.

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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #115 on: October 30, 2018, 04:07:01 pm »
In all seriousness, I’m just impressed by how we sitting in our living rooms know so much more about events on the ground than the folks in this administration, with Donald Trump as ceo.

I don't know why you people aren't interested in having a serious conversation.

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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #116 on: October 30, 2018, 04:11:14 pm »
How serious can it get?  At the moment it seems we're having a heavy debate on the maximum number of Angels that can dance on the head of a pin.  We don't know how the Army's going to be used in this deal, those who do know aren't telling and we don't have a recent precedent to go by.

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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #117 on: October 30, 2018, 04:14:10 pm »
Well...except for the part where our military and Border Patrol are very heavily black and hispanic.  Other than that, you're right on target.... *****rollingeyes*****


I guess your definition of ‘heavily’ is a small percentage above the mean population. The statistics don’t support your claim for the military.  The US pop is about 78% white and the military pop is about 70% white.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/13/6-facts-about-the-u-s-military-and-its-changing-demographics/
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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #118 on: October 30, 2018, 04:15:23 pm »
How serious can it get?  At the moment it seems we're having a heavy debate on the maximum number of Angels that can dance on the head of a pin.  We don't know how the Army's going to be used in this deal, those who do know aren't telling and we don't have a recent precedent to go by.

 :shrug:

Oh bleep, don't tell @Right_in_Virginia or @aligncare that.  We must keep this bullshit up and don't you dare have any fun doing it.

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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #119 on: October 30, 2018, 04:18:31 pm »
How serious can it get?  At the moment it seems we're having a heavy debate on the maximum number of Angels that can dance on the head of a pin.  We don't know how the Army's going to be used in this deal, those who do know aren't telling and we don't have a recent precedent to go by.

 :shrug:



But ...  you make a good point.  I am encouraged by the news of troops going to the border, but as you say, it remains to be seen what those troops will actually do. 

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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #120 on: October 30, 2018, 04:19:09 pm »
I don't know why you people aren't interested in having a serious conversation.

What I’m saying is we finally have a president who has a lifetime of experience functioning at peak levels of performance in business, whose performed in office as advertised in the election.

So, I expect that the administration’s response to this invasion at the border is well planned and executed and that contingencies and follow ups are in place. Successful CEOS are just that way.

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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #121 on: October 30, 2018, 04:22:16 pm »
What I’m saying is we finally have a president who has a lifetime of experience functioning at peak levels of performance in business, whose performed in office as advertised in the election.

So, I expect that the administration’s response to this invasion at the border is well planned and executed and that contingencies and follow ups are in place. Successful CEOS are just that way.

Yeah, we know.  You've said that 50 times per day for 2 years.  But please, continue admonishing those of us that don't have your stamina for extreme repetition.

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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #122 on: October 30, 2018, 04:26:11 pm »
Oh bleep, don't tell @Right_in_Virginia or @aligncare that.  We must keep this bullshit up and don't you dare have any fun doing it.



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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #123 on: October 30, 2018, 04:27:04 pm »

I guess your definition of ‘heavily’ is a small percentage above the mean population. The statistics don’t support your claim for the military.  The US pop is about 78% white and the military pop is about 70% white.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/13/6-facts-about-the-u-s-military-and-its-changing-demographics/

And, "hispanic" is included in "white", so your numbers are not relevant.  It's complicated, I know.

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Re: Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
« Reply #124 on: October 30, 2018, 04:30:17 pm »
And, "hispanic" is included in "white", so your numbers are not relevant.  It's complicated, I know.


Yes – it is very complicated to actually look at the data points in the article and see how black and hispanic were actually separated out from white.   It’s also very confusing, whenever I fill out demographic or census information that says white, with the parenthetical (non hispanic).  Really ponderous stuff.
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