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I think some of us are having a little fun with the utter absurdity of the situation, e.g., a former stripper Floridian living in a van who misspells his own state's name in a return address? It's all so cuckoo.

Anyway, I found Ari Fleischer's comments on Twitter interesting. Feel free to agree or disagree:
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Ari Fleischer   Verified account @AriFleischer

1/  On Sayoc and Trump: I’ve urged rhetorical restraint, saying wait until we have facts about who carried out the mail bombs.  Now we know. He’s a big Trump supporter. I still urge rhetorical restraint.
9:36 AM - 27 Oct 2018

2/ The  shooter at a GOP baseball practice was a big Bernie supporter who deliberately targeted Republicans for death. That didn’t mean Bernie was to blame and I don’t blame Trump for Sayoc’s lunatic acts.

3/ Lunatics do crazy things because they’re lunatics. After all, was Trump to blame when Sayoc in 2002 made a bomb threat?
But there is a bigger picture and it involves the inflammatory language used by Trump and many Democrats. After Sayoc, they all need to cool things down.

‏4/ We’re better as a people when leaders cool passions, not inflame them.
Trump pushed the envelope at his 2016 rallies by calling on the crowd to take out protestors and he has praised a Congressman who body slammed a reporter.

5/ The President needs to decide if he prefers speaking to rallies, where the crowd loves the language, or if he prefers speaking to all Americans, who want the language cooled down.

6/ Joe Biden said he wants to take Trump out back and fight him. Eric Holder wants to kick Republicans. Numerous Ds want people to “get in the faces” of Republicans or harass them at restaurants.

7/ After Sayoc, everyone, from POTUS on down should tone it down. Trump and Sanders didn’t cause the violence. But now is a good time for the President and the Democrats to make their cases without threat of or praise for physical violence.
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You saw how crudely the bombs were constructed.  Reportedly, the were filled with fireworks material.
 That's easily obtained up and down I-95.  End capping was done with adhesive and tons of electrical tape.  Wiring was a joke. They're 6" of PVC, which doesn't require a work bench or heavy tools to size.  I'm going to guess he used Occam's Razor to cut them down.

As to how they were delivered, many actually weren't.  At least one had insufficient postage and others would go through heavier screening layers, based on the recipients.  The ones that were delivered went through the USPS, which is the butt of endless jokes for competency and efficiency.

It was slightly amusing, at first, to hear the cries of 'Deep State,' when this first happened.  As we learn more about this man, his record, and his social media posts, it's just not funny anymore.  At least guys like Dobbs and Woods had sense enough to delete their previous 'hoax' accusation tweets. 

Just.  Stop.

I am gonna have to agree with you. The false flag deep state conspiracy is making some people to be about as kooky as the bomber. As another person said, there is kooks on both sides of the aisle. Now argue there is more on the left, and I would agree, but no side is exempt from extreme idiots. 
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... Sayoc lived in a white 2002 Dodge Ram van, which was plastered with stickers supporting Trump and criticizing media outlets that included CNN, which was also targeted by mail bombs.

The van was often parked outside an LA Fitness in Aventura, backed up in a parking space under the trees for shade. Patrons say they frequently saw him in the locker room.

"He'd just be walking straight to the shower and be in the shower forever," said Edgar Lopez, who often exercises at the gym. "I never saw him working out."

Other times, the van was seen parked at the beach in nearby Hollywood before dawn, with Sayoc stripping down to skin-tight shorts for an outdoor shower.  ...
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I mostly agree, but I have not seen an outstretched hand.  I could just sample a few Presedential twitter posts from the last week to see the President of the United States say something condemning, contemptible, and shameless about elected officials of both parties and our American institutions like the FBI, CIA, DOJ, and also our foreign allies, while effusively praising tyrants and butchers.  JMO.

On a side note I have gone through almost 7 pages of this stuff now and I was ready to give up on this forum until after the elections.  I can understand the desire to want to believe conspiracies when stuff isn't going the way you figured, but it's not my thing and I don't respect that kind of thinking.  I have a lower opinion of this forum than yesterday.

I appreciate your post @Jazzhead .


Thanks, @Once-Ler      I appreciate that you participate here.   

Both sides need to calm down, cool down, realize that a moment is here, a propitious moment.   Not to ratchet up the rhetoric,  but to recognize this to be a potential turning point where folks are LOOKING for leadership.    Trump did make an appeal to unity, and the Dems slapped it down.   Trump, no doubt, has or will respond in kind and the moment will pass.


If you ask most of here who started it, and they'll say the Dems.   Ask the other side, and they blame us.   Don't know who you think started it, and when, but the hate has spread like a fungus.


Ari Fleisher is right - Bernie Sanders is not to blame for his supporter almost succeed in murdering multiple Republican Congressman.  And Donald Trump is not to blame for his supporter mailing bombs to a clutch of big Dems.    But since this bridge has been crossed,  by supporters on both sides,   it is incumbent on both sides to exhibit leadership, not agitation.

Trump at least made a gesture to do so.    And Ari Fleischer is right - Trump has to think long and hard whether he'd rather speak to his adoring rallies or to the rest of us,  who don't want to see this political cold war turn hot.    Besides - the POSITIVE GOP message is jobs and prosperity, here and now,  and directly the result of GOP policies.    Fear can be a motivator,  and the Dems are masters at stoking it.  So is Trump.   

BUT TRUMP IS NOT ON THE BALLOT.    The choice in two weeks is whether to continue this prosperity, or place it at risk.           
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BUT TRUMP IS NOT ON THE BALLOT.    The choice in two weeks is whether to continue this prosperity, or place it at risk.         
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More from AP via Boston Herald

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The article says he was "cash-strapped".  So.... how did he afford all of those nice, apparently new decals on his van?  How did he afford the fake bomb materials?  Why would he register as a Republican, having previously been "not political", when he wasn't eligible to even vote per Florida laws re: convicted felons being unable to vote?  How did he get so many packages that did NOT go through the postal service delivered in different locations? 

So many questions.  So many willing dupes ... so easily fooled (or willfully fooled) into thinking this was a legitimate "lone wolf kook".... tsk tsk.
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Interesting article, but they call him an Ex-stripper, but then in the article it states he didn't strip, but cleaned up and did dj services. Was he a stripper previously and just got too old? Article is not clear.

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The article says he was "cash-strapped".  So.... how did he afford all of those nice, apparently new decals on his van?  How did he afford the fake bomb materials?  Why would he register as a Republican, having previously been "not political", when he wasn't eligible to even vote per Florida laws re: convicted felons being unable to vote?  How did he get so many packages that did NOT go through the postal service delivered in different locations? 

So many questions.  So many willing dupes ... so easily fooled (or willfully fooled) into thinking this was a legitimate "lone wolf kook".... tsk tsk.

He had a job it states, so he had some money, it doesn't take a lot when living in your van. Just how expensive do you think decals are? I imagine if he had a buddy, fairly cheap and even if he didn't then surely had 10 dollars to buy one. I just went online, designed a decal and for a 24X24 single decal it was $10.15....

One can go to back of any hardware store and go thru their garbage and get PvC pipe for nothing, or can buy a stick for under 10 dollars. Tape and wire and for under 50 bucks you could make the crap fake bombs. Add in 30 bucks of postage and you still are able to do this next to nothing.

Charged Felon and convicted felon are two different things. He may of been charged with a felon, does not mean he didn't plead down to a lesser crime or it was dropped. Some states recently have been dropping lesser felon charges and letting them vote (drug dealing, non-violent)... Lord knows the democrats crawled the local lists this last election in my state for Doug Jones.

I don't know how the packages were delivered, but he being a private carrier, perhaps he had connections in other places to such carriers. Not to be rude, but perhaps this is the only good question you have.



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He had a job it states, so he had some money, it doesn't take a lot when living in your van. Just how expensive do you think decals are? I imagine if he had a buddy, fairly cheap and even if he didn't then surely had 10 dollars to buy one. I just went online, designed a decal and for a 24X24 single decal it was $10.15....

One can go to back of any hardware store and go thru their garbage and get PvC pipe for nothing, or can buy a stick for under 10 dollars. Tape and wire and for under 50 bucks you could make the crap fake bombs. Add in 30 bucks of postage and you still are able to do this next to nothing.

Charged Felon and convicted felon are two different things. He may of been charged with a felon, does not mean he didn't plead down to a lesser crime or it was dropped. Some states recently have been dropping lesser felon charges and letting them vote (drug dealing, non-violent)... Lord knows the democrats crawled the local lists this last election in my state for Doug Jones.

I don't know how the packages were delivered, but he being a private carrier, perhaps he had connections in other places to such carriers. Not to be rude, but perhaps this is the only good question you have.



There is one other question - what he thought he would accomplish sending a dozen plus FAKE bombs to democrats two weeks out from an election when the GOP obviously had the wind at their backs. To me, thats the ONLY question.

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The right wing violence gets glossed over in right wing echo chambers.  Violent kooks seem pretty evenly split across the political spectrum IMO.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1051973730824409088.html

The pot got turned up another notch, but I don't see any frogs jumping out.

Good post @montanajoe

@Once-Ler

Interesting.  You use a site that cites examples of "right wing" violence, including neo-Nazis and KKK members, both of whom are not "right wing" in any way.  Perhaps you are just unaware and misinformed.  They even include the Las Vegas shooter and the incel guy.  How are these even remotely "right-wing"?

But, I'm beginning to understand where your confusion comes from.  The remaining question is why do you post here if you think this is what we are?
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There is one other question - what he thought he would accomplish sending a dozen plus FAKE bombs to democrats two weeks out from an election when the GOP obviously had the wind at their backs. To me, thats the ONLY question.

Obviously he thought he would scare them, his reasoning was of course faulty, if their own party members don't scare them, how was he thinking he would achieve it with fake bombs.
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@Once-Ler

Interesting.  You use a site that cites examples of "right wing" violence, including neo-Nazis and KKK members, both of whom are not "right wing" in any way.  Perhaps you are just unaware and misinformed.  They even include the Las Vegas shooter and the incel guy.  How are these even remotely "right-wing"?

But, I'm beginning to understand where your confusion comes from.  The remaining question is why do you post here if you think this is what we are?

That question had crossed my mind as well. If someone finds the speculation here so vexing why not just - blow?
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He had a job it states, so he had some money, it doesn't take a lot when living in your van. Just how expensive do you think decals are? I imagine if he had a buddy, fairly cheap and even if he didn't then surely had 10 dollars to buy one. I just went online, designed a decal and for a 24X24 single decal it was $10.15....

He had a job?  Where?  It stretches my rather fertile imagination that he got paid anything as a stripper.  Have you seen the guy?  lol

Also, it's been noted that his van was illegally covered with decals...can't have the windows covered up like that... and that IF he driven the van around that much he would have been pulled over and ticketed.  And yet, apparently no tickets.  Why?  Because he had the van parked most of the time, instead of driving it.  Which begs the question, how would he manage to have a job, drive around to purchase the fake bomb materials and packaging and stamps, and drive around delivering the fake bomb packages without getting pulled over...?  If he tried to mail the fake bomb packages at the post office, there would be video of that too... but so far, nada.   It just makes no sense if what I'm reading around the net is correct.   :shrug:

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One can go to back of any hardware store and go thru their garbage and get PvC pipe for nothing, or can buy a stick for under 10 dollars. Tape and wire and for under 50 bucks you could make the crap fake bombs. Add in 30 bucks of postage and you still are able to do this next to nothing.

Really?  So where are the store videos of him perusing the back of "any hardware store"?  And back to my question of how did he supposedly drive his illegal van around that much without getting stopped?  And if you're so broke that you are living out of your van and showering at a fitness club, how do you manage to spend $80 or more on all that crap.   I would think his most pressing priority would be how to eat and where.... considering that ... again... his van was considered "illegal" to drive that way.

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Charged Felon and convicted felon are two different things. He may of been charged with a felon, does not mean he didn't plead down to a lesser crime or it was dropped. Some states recently have been dropping lesser felon charges and letting them vote (drug dealing, non-violent)... Lord knows the democrats crawled the local lists this last election in my state for Doug Jones.

He committed more than one felony.  At one point he even violated parole.  Are you going to tell me that Florida made an exception to their 'no felons vote' law for this weirdo and let him vote anyway?  For what reason?  Why would he get special treatment?  It just opens the door to even more questions, IMO.

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I don't know how the packages were delivered, but he being a private carrier, perhaps he had connections in other places to such carriers. Not to be rude, but perhaps this is the only good question you have.

You can be rude all you want... it matters not a whit to me.... and it won't change what I'm thinking about this whole, yet another rat-inspired, fiasco.  I believe I have valid questions that even you doubters should be asking.  And if he had "connections" in other places, that means he had help.... right? 

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That question had crossed my mind as well. If you find the speculation so vexing why not just - blow?

Did you go to that site, @skeeter?  It's...interesting.

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Did you go to that site, @skeeter?  It's...interesting.

Frankly no. I figured it was just an attempt to smear by association.

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He had a job?  Where?  It stretches my rather fertile imagination that he got paid anything as a stripper.  Have you seen the guy?  lol

The article Mountain posted had a little background, he was not "stripping", he was cleaning and doing sound system (I guess DJing)...
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Also, it's been noted that his van was illegally covered with decals...can't have the windows covered up like that...

My dad drives a van with NO windows, I doubt it is illegal. Side Mirrors and forward view...  being covered maybe. But being that vans with NO windows are allowed, I doubt they can get you for not having a view.
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My dad drives a van with NO windows, I doubt it is illegal. Side Mirrors and forward view...  being covered maybe. But being that vans with NO windows are allowed, I doubt they can get you for not having a view.

No windows?   I think it's a matter of concealing what's in the van... ie illegal 'too dark' tinting.  The decals acted the same way, covering up what's inside.  It's a law-enforcement thing, I believe.
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I am not too sure about the whole cancelled stamp thing.
I would think the Post Office would cancel them so they could not be reused, or they go even further into being broke.

Yet.....

We know some were stopped at Post Offices, at least at sorting facilities, by the Secret Service, in the cases of the 2 sent to the residences of 2 former Presidents.

In this day and age of cameras everywhere, I suppose it would be easy enough to find out when these packages were delivered, and by whom.
You have to figure at the very least, Soros and CNN have surveillance cameras, as I would suspect there would be some at the other locations, as well.

You have to figure in a post-9/11 world, the post offices have them.

It is quite possible that one loser nutcase sent these all through the mail.
Stranger things have happened.
Ricin and Anthrax attacks have gone through the mail.

Checking what the cameras caught would tell the tale, to be sure.

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There is one other question - what he thought he would accomplish sending a dozen plus FAKE bombs to democrats two weeks out from an election when the GOP obviously had the wind at their backs. To me, thats the ONLY question.

I'm not disputing that the guy was a wacko/nutjob.   But yeah... it makes no sense to posit that you are "for" a certain political party and "against" another.... and then pull this fake bomb stunt which would presumably hurt the political party you are supposedly for.  (whew!  lol)

I am convinced that, since the guy was also an idiot, he had to have had "help".
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Really?  So where are the store videos of him perusing the back of "any hardware store"?

I don't know, you do realize it has only been like 24 hours since his name was released, not like all the hardware stores are showing their videos to a pretty cut and dry case. Personally I have enough old PvP pipe to make 500 of these fake bombs just in my pile of junk in the back pasture out of sight of the road.
 If someone came and took a stick I probable wouldn't know it. 

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You can be rude all you want... it matters not a whit to me.... and it won't change what I'm thinking about this whole, yet another rat-inspired, fiasco.  I believe I have valid questions that even you doubters should be asking.  And if he had "connections" in other places, that means he had help.... right?   

Again, this is a good question. I don't have answers for it as of yet, but again, it has only been a 24 hours right. Lets let it play out with some more facts and see. Right now I ain't feeling it. Looks like a loon among the Trump faithful. Again, not to be rude, I am sure there is loons among the "never Trumpers" like me too. Crazy happens but the spin control groups are funny to watch.
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I don't know, you do realize it has only been like 24 hours since his name was released, not like all the hardware stores are showing their videos to a pretty cut and dry case. Personally I have enough old PvP pipe to make 500 of these fake bombs just in my pile of junk in the back pasture out of sight of the road.
 If someone came and took a stick I probable wouldn't know it. 

Again, this is a good question. I don't have answers for it as of yet, but again, it has only been a 24 hours right. Lets let it play out with some more facts and see. Right now I ain't feeling it. Looks like a loon among the Trump faithful. Again, not to be rude, I am sure there is loons among the "never Trumpers" like me too. Crazy happens but the spin control groups are funny to watch.

Yeah, it will play out, as you said.... one way or another.  Only problem is... much like the Las Vegas shooter... if the ""findings"" don't turn out to be politically correct enough (to suit the leftist media and agenda)...

we will never be allowed to know the answers to all of these questions.  Oh well...
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@Once-Ler

Interesting.  You use a site that cites examples of "right wing" violence, including neo-Nazis and KKK members, both of whom are not "right wing" in any way.  Perhaps you are just unaware and misinformed.  They even include the Las Vegas shooter and the incel guy.  How are these even remotely "right-wing"?

But, I'm beginning to understand where your confusion comes from.  The remaining question is why do you post here if you think this is what we are?

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Excellent points.
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Frankly no. I figured it was just an attempt to smear by association.

Of course it was.
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@Once-Ler

Interesting.  You use a site that cites examples of "right wing" violence, including neo-Nazis and KKK members, both of whom are not "right wing" in any way. 

Tomatos, tomahtos. Most people would call them "right wing".

You're basically using a "no true scots" fallacy.