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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #400 on: September 11, 2018, 08:07:23 pm »
Who's sitting what out??

Your implication is that not liking Trump means we aren't doing anything.

That's not what's happening.

Sorry, I thought you meant that wished there were a third choice because you couldn't vote for Trump.

Was I wrong?
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #401 on: September 11, 2018, 08:08:45 pm »
Well, I didn't report it, but he lied about me too and said some incredibly awful stuff that was pretty wacked out.

Not nice..... not nice at all.

Yeah, @musiclady and it was totally out of the blue, unrelated to anything we were discussing.  I can only guess that he is self-medicating today.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #402 on: September 11, 2018, 08:11:38 pm »
There are "only two choices" because people don't have the courage to not accept the choices offered by those two parties. As long as you decide to stay on the plantation the plantation will continue making you its slave leaving you "no other choice". You are doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, year after year... The only way to make an actual change is refuse to play their game and actually make a party earn your vote. But that takes courage.

Not sure what you mean by 'refuse to play their game.'  If you mean sit out a vote because you refuse to realize that right now we have a binary choice, I don't call that courage but wishful thinking.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #403 on: September 11, 2018, 08:12:31 pm »
Yes I am losing faith in the 'free market'.

With explains why Democrats, Marxists, Republicans and Trump supporters embrace various facets of Socialism/Collectivism/Statism - and further make my point that there is no difference between the parties or the people who support one or the other.

Only in whom they target for government punitive action.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #404 on: September 11, 2018, 08:16:08 pm »
If you mean sit out a vote because you refuse to realize that right now we have a binary choice

No, we do not have only a binary choice.

That is what your taskmasters and fellow slaves on the plantation tell YOU, in order to keep you a slave beholden to their schemes and corruption.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #405 on: September 11, 2018, 08:21:53 pm »
Logical fallacies

See:  False Dilemma
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #406 on: September 11, 2018, 08:24:56 pm »
Not sure what you mean by 'refuse to play their game.'  If you mean sit out a vote because you refuse to realize that right now we have a binary choice, I don't call that courage but wishful thinking.

Even in your own words, you have proven it is more than binary.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #407 on: September 11, 2018, 08:35:23 pm »
Yeah, @musiclady and it was totally out of the blue, unrelated to anything we were discussing.  I can only guess that he is self-medicating today.

Don't do that. 

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #408 on: September 11, 2018, 09:14:34 pm »
As what is "off-topic" and out of the blue??, although some article is talking about Obama being one of the worse presidents ever, changing it to Lincoln being that? Hey, I'll take the insults because I'm not going to stand up for slavery with some of the pigslop around, likewise, said poster said President Trump personally abused Senator Cruz, so this criticism there is nothing wrong with, because the poster themselves said it. So, this posters insults are just okay along with threatening anyone that she'll put them on her ignore list and yet, they are now defending Trump from criticisms?  Unbeleivable. Enough of this bullying. Likewise, I didn't outright accuse one of hating for expressing an opinion and others latched on to that per another member, so it isn't false, maybe it was directed at the wrong person. Somewhere, one has to stand up.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #409 on: September 11, 2018, 09:18:07 pm »
As usual, your reading comprehension sucks and is always twisted in order to stir the shit on the board.

It's the morons cheering and applauding the idea of using government to impose a fairness doctrine on the internet I have the big issue with.  Trump has yet to go beyond tweeting about threatening to do so, but when he does both he and his sycophantic mob will rightly deserve blame when and if such a horrifying use of power is implemented.

I actually think Trump might be as bad as, say, Abraham Lincoln in the abuse of power.  We survived that, though it certainly has hurt our Constitutional Republic--which is no longer federal (covenantal).  In short, the abuse of power is not new, not even new in the GOP.  Heck, it practically started with us.

Don't get me wrong:

1)  I don't despise Lincoln's memory.  He was a pretty decent, kind-hearted fellow (despite the fact that he was a segregationist of sorts--certainly not the kind of abolitionist I would have preferred in the 19th Century).  Even more important, Lincoln was not openly crass. 

2)  With regard to the use of federal power, I just submit that Lincoln was badly flawed in ways that Republicans don't like to talk about.

Anyway, I would say that the NeverTrumpers' main complaints about Trump stem from the fact that, unlike Lincoln, Trump shoots off his narcissistic mouth too much;  that, in turn, causes a lot of voters to talk about his sexual sins as though he certainly hasn't stopped his adultery, etc.  He's kind of a jerk, IM0, but he's our jerk right now, trying to save the Union from the real bad actors.  I respect that, even if I don't agree with Trump on a few things--and even if I don't like his flamethrowing style. 

(I guess we ought to confess that even reprobates can sometimes turn out to be pretty good Presidents.  [Also, I am heartened to notice that the Progressives HATE him.  That, in turn, is probably reason enough to back Trump as much as possible--keeping a careful watch on him, of course.]) 

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #410 on: September 11, 2018, 09:25:28 pm »
With explains why Democrats, Marxists, Republicans and Trump supporters embrace various facets of Socialism/Collectivism/Statism - and further make my point that there is no difference between the parties or the people who support one or the other.

Only in whom they target for government punitive action.

Actually, I 'explained why' in the part of my comment you chose to cut out.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #411 on: September 11, 2018, 11:08:37 pm »
He's kind of a jerk, IM0, but he's our jerk right now, trying to save the Union from the real bad actors.

He may be YOUR jerk, but he most definitely is not MY jerk, anymore than I claimed Obama as MY president. 


(I guess we ought to confess that even reprobates can sometimes turn out to be pretty good Presidents. 

We will have to disagree on that one. 

"A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit." - Matthew 7:18

Also, I am heartened to notice that the Progressives HATE him.  That, in turn, is probably reason enough to back Trump as much as possible--keeping a careful watch on him, of course.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #412 on: September 11, 2018, 11:13:14 pm »
Sorry, I thought you meant that wished there were a third choice because you couldn't vote for Trump.

Was I wrong?

There was a third choice for whom I voted, and I have never regretted it for a moment.

I hope there is an even bigger percentage of people who make that choice in 2020.

(And for the record in case anyone says otherwise -as I'm sure some Trumper will - I despise Hillary, and am glad she lost).
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #413 on: September 11, 2018, 11:32:00 pm »
There was a third choice for whom I voted, and I have never regretted it for a moment.

BUMP THAT.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #414 on: September 12, 2018, 12:18:15 am »
There was a third choice for whom I voted, and I have never regretted it for a moment.

I hope there is an even bigger percentage of people who make that choice in 2020.

(And for the record in case anyone says otherwise -as I'm sure some Trumper will - I despise Hillary, and am glad she lost).

I conscientiously sat out the election, as practically all professed NeverTrumpers here on TBR did if they couldn't write in a decent third party candidate.

But now that DJT is in office I think it's important to support him--even if I still won't vote for him if he survives to run again.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #415 on: September 12, 2018, 12:28:26 am »
I conscientiously sat out the election, as practically all professed NeverTrumpers here on TBR did if they couldn't write in a decent third party candidate.

But now that DJT is in office I think it's important to support him--even if I still won't vote for him if he survives to run again.

I sincerely hope you meant politically...because if anything happens to him because of some left-wing nut....... :smokin:
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #416 on: September 12, 2018, 12:40:10 am »
There are "only two choices" because people don't have the courage to not accept the choices offered by those two parties. As long as you decide to stay on the plantation the plantation will continue making you its slave leaving you "no other choice". You are doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, year after year... The only way to make an actual change is refuse to play their game and actually make a party earn your vote. But that takes courage.

Oh, Amen!  I am getting off the plantation.  Leaving and they can send the dogs after me.  You can't be free unless you take a step.  In this case I am skipping walking and in a full run.  I am ready for whatever punishment they can dish.  Get out the whip!
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #417 on: September 12, 2018, 12:43:41 am »
I sincerely hope you meant politically...because if anything happens to him because of some left-wing nut....... :smokin:

I think you are a smart man but this isn't smart.  Today I read Donald Jr. talking about the small amount of people his father can trust in the White House.  They aren't all left wing holdovers.  Most Trump appointed.  Like Amarosa.  She is the Trump hire that keeps on giving.  Stupidity is what that was.  She worked for the Clintons for goodness sakes.  He hired her, guess he likes left wing nuts.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #418 on: September 12, 2018, 12:45:02 am »
Oh, Amen!  I am getting off the plantation.  Leaving and they can send the dogs after me.  You can't be free unless you take a step.  In this case I am skipping walking and in a full run.  I am ready for whatever punishment they can dish.  Get out the whip!

I don't recall anyone giving a shit the 58 other times you and others here go on about not being a Republicans and being off the reservation.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #419 on: September 12, 2018, 12:47:41 am »
I don't recall anyone giving a shit the 58 other times you and others here go on about not being a Republicans and being off the reservation.


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Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #420 on: September 12, 2018, 01:06:19 am »
400+ posts here, about this Harvard Yale Oxford PhD ?
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #421 on: September 12, 2018, 01:54:01 am »
Don't do that.

Excuse me, I thought it was a kindness.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #422 on: September 12, 2018, 01:57:55 am »
Oh, Amen!  I am getting off the plantation.  Leaving and they can send the dogs after me.  You can't be free unless you take a step.  In this case I am skipping walking and in a full run.  I am ready for whatever punishment they can dish.  Get out the whip!

@Chosen Daughter   I would be completely fine with you and your compatriot taking your toys and going home. Go on and take that Noble Step. 

The only problem is that y'all will take more sensible people with you.  People who do not expect perfection but who are willing to support and live with the best possible choice.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #423 on: September 12, 2018, 01:59:12 am »
I don't recall anyone giving a shit the 58 other times you and others here go on about not being a Republicans and being off the reservation.

Well, dammit, @Frank Cannon ... it's getting really old.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #424 on: September 12, 2018, 02:03:34 am »
There was a third choice for whom I voted, and I have never regretted it for a moment.

I hope there is an even bigger percentage of people who make that choice in 2020.

(And for the record in case anyone says otherwise -as I'm sure some Trumper will - I despise Hillary, and am glad she lost).

I'm sorry @musiclady but you may be glad Hillary lost but you are here bragging about contributing to her almost winning.  And, if she had won, it will be purists like you who punish the rest of us by voting for some pie in the sky third party.

You remind me of this idiot guy I saw in Sears right after Clinton won.  He was wearing a t-shirt that said 'Don't Blame Me, I voted for Perot.'  I wanted to slap him.  He and his ilk were totally to blame.
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