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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #375 on: September 11, 2018, 06:05:19 pm »
Be happy with the burn pits under your hero George W. Bush and how service people have died of cancers rarely seen Musiclady but don't criticize others who are in the battle for this country's future.

Emjay can go and defend slavery and saying something bad about Lincoln to be vindictive towards others for merely talking about Bush 41's groping.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #376 on: September 11, 2018, 06:06:41 pm »
Given what we are finding out about the Google and their obvious desire to use their immense resources to influence political outcomes by filtering information I don't know why anyone (who isn't a drooling left winger) would find fault with this.

Because Government is Midas in reverse. 

It turns whatever it touches into shit - and makes the rest of us pay for it and suffer worse than the problem they were supposed to address.

I'd rather suffer whatever bullshit Google attempts than let government try to 'fix -it'.

I still am beholden to the fact that the most frightening words any person should ever hear is "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #377 on: September 11, 2018, 06:12:08 pm »
as far as an Internet Fairness doctrine is concerned, anybody who watched Tucker Carlson last night saw an amazing expose of how Google tried to influence the election.  Also @INVAR because he blames Trump for everything including things he hasn't done or mentioned yet.

As usual, your reading comprehension sucks and is always twisted in order to stir the shit on the board.

It's the morons cheering and applauding the idea of using government to impose a fairness doctrine on the internet I have the big issue with.  Trump has yet to go beyond tweeting about threatening to do so, but when he does both he and his sycophantic mob will rightly deserve blame when and if such a horrifying use of power is implemented.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #378 on: September 11, 2018, 06:16:57 pm »
@skeeter @Bigun   I'll join your club if you'll let me in.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #379 on: September 11, 2018, 06:20:10 pm »
Government regulation - no, never.

But using anti-trust laws on the books a judge might be able to break Google up into smaller entities that can then compete with each other for our business.

Given what we are finding out about the Google and their obvious desire to use their immense resources to influence political outcomes by filtering information I don't know why anyone (who isn't a drooling left winger) would find fault with this.


Riiiight. Rely on big-daddy gov - They can fix anything!!!

How is your imposition any different than the liberals' imposition by way of federal overreach?
Hell no. Monopoly law should be the very LAST thing you think of.

Not to mention that Google is not a monopoly, in any of its aspects.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #380 on: September 11, 2018, 06:22:55 pm »
Because Government is Midas in reverse. 
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I'd rather suffer whatever bullshit Google attempts than let government try to 'fix -it'.

I still am beholden to the fact that the most frightening words any person should ever hear is "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #382 on: September 11, 2018, 06:45:19 pm »
What Sasse says is probably healthy, it might be more worrisome if no Senators said they wanted to leave the Republican Party. Bernie ran as a Democrat, will probably run in 2020 but after the primaries were over, I believe he re-registered as an Independent. Why is that not a big deal with Bernie but a big deal with Sasse?

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #383 on: September 11, 2018, 06:49:18 pm »
@musiclady   The problem is reality.  There are only two choices right now and we can either live with that and choose the best alternative or we can sit it out.

Sitting it out is okay as a personal choice but it is a selfish one.  Because if all the purists sit it out, that opens the door for the Dark Side to take over.  We all know what the democrats stand for and the scary thing is ... they are getting worse.

It will be many years, if ever, before a third party could become viable.  We can't wait for that because if the democrats ever get power again they will ruin our country.

Who's sitting what out??

Your implication is that not liking Trump means we aren't doing anything.

That's not what's happening.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #384 on: September 11, 2018, 06:50:41 pm »
@skeeter @Bigun   I'll join your club if you'll let me in.

Its more a raft than a boat, but hop on...

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #385 on: September 11, 2018, 06:51:08 pm »
@TomSea You have insulted and lied about me twice.  I had to report you to the moderators.

Well, I didn't report it, but he lied about me too and said some incredibly awful stuff that was pretty wacked out.

Not nice..... not nice at all.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #386 on: September 11, 2018, 07:10:09 pm »
Trump has yet to go beyond tweeting about threatening to do so, but when he does both he and his sycophantic mob will rightly deserve blame when and if such a horrifying use of power is implemented.

Here's the thing -- there's no way Trump can do that.  Far too many Republicans, and conservatives who are not Republicans, oppose it for him to get it through.  And the Supreme Court wouldn't stand for it now anyway.  So while I agree that Trump is 100% wrong when he utters anything about government limits on free speech, it's an impotent threat coming from him.  And very fortunately for us, the stupidest things he says on other topics also tend to be things that lacks the power to implement.  It's all bark and no bite.

What scares me so much more about the Democrats is that they generally do have the power to implement most of the threats they make.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #387 on: September 11, 2018, 07:14:35 pm »

Riiiight. Rely on big-daddy gov - They can fix anything!!!

How is your imposition any different than the liberals' imposition by way of federal overreach?
Hell no. Monopoly law should be the very LAST thing you think of.

Not to mention that Google is not a monopoly, in any of its aspects.

Because what I suggested actually enhances the market. More choices is better than one dominating leftwing gargantua.

Too nuanced for you?


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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #388 on: September 11, 2018, 07:18:50 pm »
Here's the thing -- there's no way Trump can do that.  Far too many Republicans, and conservatives who are not Republicans, oppose it for him to get it through.  And the Supreme Court wouldn't stand for it now anyway.  So while I agree that Trump is 100% wrong when he utters anything about government limits on free speech, it's an impotent threat coming from him.  And very fortunately for us, the stupidest things he says on other topics also tend to be things that lacks the power to implement.  It's all bark and no bite.

What scares me so much more about the Democrats is that they generally do have the power to implement most of the threats they make.

Ditto all of that.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #389 on: September 11, 2018, 07:20:39 pm »
Because what I suggested actually enhances the market. More choices is better than one dominating leftwing gargantua.

Too nuanced for you?

So the ends justify the means. And Uncle-Daddy gets to choose the winners and losers.
No sale.  **nononono*

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #390 on: September 11, 2018, 07:21:35 pm »
Here's the thing -- there's no way Trump can do that.  Far too many Republicans, and conservatives who are not Republicans, oppose it for him to get it through.  And the Supreme Court wouldn't stand for it now anyway.  So while I agree that Trump is 100% wrong when he utters anything about government limits on free speech, it's an impotent threat coming from him.  And very fortunately for us, the stupidest things he says on other topics also tend to be things that lacks the power to implement.  It's all bark and no bite.

What scares me so much more about the Democrats is that they generally do have the power to implement most of the threats they make.

Or.... if they don't already have it, they fervently and intently work towards getting the power (ie packing the courts with leftist judges as an example), even if it's behind the scenes and off the radar.  You can be shock-sure that they are always working towards getting that power and/or retaining it.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #391 on: September 11, 2018, 07:22:12 pm »
Here's the thing -- there's no way Trump can do that.  Far too many Republicans, and conservatives who are not Republicans, oppose it for him to get it through.  And the Supreme Court wouldn't stand for it now anyway.  So while I agree that Trump is 100% wrong when he utters anything about government limits on free speech, it's an impotent threat coming from him.  And very fortunately for us, the stupidest things he says on other topics also tend to be things that lacks the power to implement.  It's all bark and no bite.

But it sure enough is a view into his big-gov mindset. And that should terrify us all.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #392 on: September 11, 2018, 07:24:34 pm »
@musiclady   The problem is reality.  There are only two choices right now and we can either live with that and choose the best alternative or we can sit it out.

Sitting it out is okay as a personal choice but it is a selfish one.  Because if all the purists sit it out, that opens the door for the Dark Side to take over.  We all know what the democrats stand for and the scary thing is ... they are getting worse.

It will be many years, if ever, before a third party could become viable.  We can't wait for that because if the democrats ever get power again they will ruin our country.

There are "only two choices" because people don't have the courage to not accept the choices offered by those two parties. As long as you decide to stay on the plantation the plantation will continue making you its slave leaving you "no other choice". You are doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, year after year... The only way to make an actual change is refuse to play their game and actually make a party earn your vote. But that takes courage.

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« Reply #393 on: September 11, 2018, 07:26:55 pm »
Here's the thing -- there's no way Trump can do that.  Far too many Republicans, and conservatives who are not Republicans, oppose it for him to get it through.  And the Supreme Court wouldn't stand for it now anyway.  So while I agree that Trump is 100% wrong when he utters anything about government limits on free speech, it's an impotent threat coming from him.  And very fortunately for us, the stupidest things he says on other topics also tend to be things that lacks the power to implement.  It's all bark and no bite.

What scares me so much more about the Democrats is that they generally do have the power to implement most of the threats they make.

The same thing could have been said about Obamacare one size fits all government mandated healthcare and forcing people to buy health insurance.

Yet it became the law of the land anyway...

And I'll add, once it becomes law it sets precedence for future laws and is practically impossible to get rid of.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #394 on: September 11, 2018, 07:34:07 pm »
So the ends justify the means. And Uncle-Daddy gets to choose the winners and losers.
No sale.  **nononono*

Actually I apply the same standard to corporations that I would apply to government. Both are run by individuals who can be corrupted. Neither should be allowed to abuse their positions of advantage and Google (the search engine part anyway), by virtue of it's overwhelming market presence and increasing tendency to act politically, presents a threat that should be addressed.


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« Reply #395 on: September 11, 2018, 07:41:29 pm »
Actually I apply the same standard to corporations that I would apply to government. Both are run by individuals who can be corrupted. Neither should be allowed to abuse their positions of advantage and Google (the search engine part anyway), by virtue of it's overwhelming market presence and increasing tendency to act politically, presents a threat that should be addressed.

How about we the people address it and push back against them directly? You have lost faith in free markets and their ability to correct themselves. Giving government the power to use the hammer on the 1st amendment against your enemies is a sure fire way to be eventually on the receiving end of the hammer. Don't give government the hammer. Period.

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« Reply #396 on: September 11, 2018, 07:50:14 pm »
Actually I apply the same standard to corporations that I would apply to government. Both are run by individuals who can be corrupted. Neither should be allowed to abuse their positions of advantage and Google (the search engine part anyway), by virtue of it's overwhelming market presence and increasing tendency to act politically, presents a threat that should be addressed.

In the first place, Google's search engine is nowhere near a monopoly... See Bing, Yahoo, AOL, Lycos/WebCrawler, and etc. I have a distinct aversion to Google, and I have no problem finding alternatives. For most things, Yahoo suits me fine. So trying to declare a monopoly position against Google is an utter waste of time and breath.

And while I generally agree with you that one can trust neither government nor corporations, I would submit that I will side with corporations right down to the bare nub, before I would ever let Uncle-Daddy get his mitts on the deal... Because at least corporations are subject to market forces. Google could be wasted to nothing five years from now.

Look at AOL. Twenty years ago, they owned the internet, and yet today, and at least for the last ten years, they have almost been disappeared... A caricature of their former self. The Facebook of today is the Myspace of tomorrow. Best to keep Uncle-Daddy's fat nose out of the damn tent.


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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #397 on: September 11, 2018, 07:50:42 pm »
How about we the people address it and push back against them directly? You have lost faith in free markets and their ability to correct themselves. Giving government the power to use the hammer on the 1st amendment against your enemies is a sure fire way to be eventually on the receiving end of the hammer. Don't give government the hammer. Period.

Yes I am losing faith in the 'free market'. Because I do not trust large corporations flush with cash and the power to filter the information a discerning public requires to stay free to not seek to ally itself with a government that has more than a passing interest in what that corporation has the power to offer them.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #398 on: September 11, 2018, 07:52:07 pm »
How about we the people address it and push back against them directly? You have lost faith in free markets and their ability to correct themselves. Giving government the power to use the hammer on the 1st amendment against your enemies is a sure fire way to be eventually on the receiving end of the hammer. Don't give government the hammer. Period.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
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GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party

This creep also "regularly" sniffs the seats on Greyhound Buses after passengers disembark.