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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #275 on: September 10, 2018, 03:17:32 pm »
OK, but thats not 'far reaching'. The economy could change tomorrow.

No. But it's built on paper. Nearly $4T more in debt. In what, 6/8 months? With another monster pile of cash going away right after the elections too. Tax cuts are indeed good for the economy - But it is predictably short lived if not coupled with spending cuts. Just printing more money causes inflation to heat up, as the grocery store can demonstrate.

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Border security? Not far reaching. He's doing that with EOs.

That's right. The next dem president will tear it all down just as Tump tore down OBummer's. It wasn't long ago that governing by EO was considered a sign of administrative failure

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Never mind congress not cooperating.

Tump did that to himself.

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Judges? Thats not far reaching either. They'll all die one day. Besides, how do we know how they'll actually rule?

Yes, that CAN be far reaching - And I will surely give him credit for it if/when the time comes.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #276 on: September 10, 2018, 03:24:16 pm »
Its hard to deny that, while its not ALL good, there is plenty of good stuff happening now that was considered highly unlikely two years ago. We shouldn't let our personal dislike for the current president prevent our enjoying it.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #277 on: September 10, 2018, 03:27:43 pm »

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #279 on: September 10, 2018, 03:34:30 pm »
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Yes.  Some people are so mired in hatred that they are blinded to reality.

Good things are happening.  Government agencies are slowly being cut back and some eliminated.  The economy is better.  Refusing to acknowledge that because it might not last is so short-sighted.

We have no way of knowing what will last or what will happen but I see good things happening.  Just look at the two new Supremes we will have if all goes well.  That's an accomplishment Republicans should be cheering.

As for Sasse, the people who are cheering him now are the same ones who would criticize him if he ... well, I don't know what he could do.  He certainly can't run as a Republican so maybe he can be the new hero for the pie-in-the-sky crowd.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #280 on: September 10, 2018, 03:38:56 pm »
The hell I didn't.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #281 on: September 10, 2018, 03:40:34 pm »
Most of it is bullshit.

Name one thing that is BS and explain why.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #282 on: September 10, 2018, 03:40:41 pm »
No. But it's built on paper. Nearly $4T more in debt. In what, 6/8 months? With another monster pile of cash going away right after the elections too. Tax cuts are indeed good for the economy - But it is predictably short lived if not coupled with spending cuts. Just printing more money causes inflation to heat up, as the grocery store can demonstrate.

Agreed, but in Trump defense he had no choice but to sign that horrible spending bill. Blame
Congress for that, Congress wrote it. Reagan had the same problem and blew up the national
debt too.


That's right. The next dem president will tear it all down just as Tump tore down OBummer's. It wasn't long ago that governing by EO was considered a sign of administrative failure

Again Blame congress for not funding a permanent wall. Trump as president is doing all he can.

Tump did that to himself.

No, Congress is not keeping the promises it made to the American people in 2016. Repeal of Ocare
showed just what a bunch of liars a lot of our elected reps are.

Yes, that CAN be far reaching - And I will surely give him credit for it if/when the time comes.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #283 on: September 10, 2018, 03:42:17 pm »
Yes.  Some people are so mired in hatred that they are blinded to reality.

You must be projecting again.

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Good things are happening.  Government agencies are slowly being cut back and some eliminated.  The economy is better.  Refusing to acknowledge that because it might not last is so short-sighted.

No, it flatly WILL NOT last. Guaranteed, every EO he makes will be overturned when the next liberal ascends. Because EOs are not law. Gone with the stroke of a pen.

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We have no way of knowing what will last or what will happen but I see good things happening.  Just look at the two new Supremes we will have if all goes well.  That's an accomplishment Republicans should be cheering.

Yeah riiiight... Like Roberts.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #284 on: September 10, 2018, 03:47:13 pm »
Yeah riiiight... Like Roberts.

Trump did not appoint Roberts that neocon Bush did after the GOP revolted when he nominated his
friend and personal lawyer Harriet Meyers. Bush like Obama did not give a damn about the USA all he
cared about was taking care of his family and his friends.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #285 on: September 10, 2018, 03:47:32 pm »
And what has your orange god accomplished?  So far, all I've seen are what *might* be the remains of some Korean War soldiers (we still don't know what's in those boxes), a tax tweak (not the reform we were promised), a few executive orders (some of which have been invalidated by the courts and some judges who may or may not be constitutional conservatives (too soon to tell).  We still have Obamacare, North Korea is still a nuclear threat, we still have "the swamp" and we are still being overrun by illegals and alleged refugees.  Oh and where are all those jobs coming back to America because of Trump's trade wars?  As far as I can tell, his trade wars are costing us jobs and money. 

I don't want to hear the excuses that keeping his promises takes time, nor do I want to hear more blame being laid on congress.  The guy has been in office for what -- two years?  He should be further along in keeping his promises than he is now.  And he would be if he stopped bitching and moaning at congress and all of his enemies, many of whom are imaginary, and actually worked to get things done.  As president, he should be able to do more than he has.  But he runs the presidency like a third-rate reality tv show where he pretends to be president and creates controversy to distract his fans from his failures.  The only thing missing from this reality tv show is the bikini-clad babes slugging it out in the swimming pool.

Trump as president is a failure.  And Trump supporters have the nerve to say that Cruz doesn't get things done?  St least, Cruz tries, which is more than I can say about your pretend president.

@Applewood  I actually feel sorry for you.  I don't believe we could have elected anyone who could have done more in two short years to improve things for our country. This is after 8 years of a leader who tried, and almost succeeded, to ruin our country.

 Yet you see nothing but gloom and darkness.

I like Cruz also and Cruz is enough of a realist to support Trump.  He reiterated his support on Fox Business two days ago.  He said he has weekly and sometimes daily contact with Trump.  If you think Cruz is so great, why can't you follow him in his appreciation for the job Trump is doing?
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #286 on: September 10, 2018, 03:52:51 pm »
Agreed, but in Trump defense he had no choice but to sign that horrible spending bill. Blame
Congress for that, Congress wrote it. Reagan had the same problem and blew up the national
debt too.

Again Blame congress for not funding a permanent wall. Trump as president is doing all he can.

No, Congress is not keeping the promises it made to the American people in 2016. Repeal of Ocare
showed just what a bunch of liars a lot of our elected reps are.


@jpsb
Bullshit. The buck stops at the top. If my company does something wrong, that is ALWAYS my fault. No one else's, even if it was just because I didn't see something coming.

Tump came in like a bull in a china shop and pissed off absolutely everyone he would later need to govern. I think he did that on purpose, precisely so he could have someone to blame... That's really being kind, as there is no other 'strategic' reason for doing so.

That doesn't work for me, and it shouldn't work for you either.

He broke it. He must fix it. But he won't. It is too useful for finger-pointing.

Look. I see why y'all are excited. All these EOs are like candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade. How can that be bad? It's good! but it will give you a bellyache later. Watch and see.

Me, I am more a meat and potatoes kind of guy.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #287 on: September 10, 2018, 03:54:37 pm »
@Applewood  I actually feel sorry for you.  I don't believe we could have elected anyone who could have done more in two short years to improve things for our country. This is after 8 years of a leader who tried, and almost succeeded, to ruin our country.

 Yet you see nothing but gloom and darkness.

I like Cruz also and Cruz is enough of a realist to support Trump.  He reiterated his support on Fox Business two days ago.  He said he has weekly and sometimes daily contact with Trump.  If you think Cruz is so great, why can't you follow him in his appreciation for the job Trump is doing?

Cruz has become one of Trump's main allies in the Senate. Cruz is smart enough to know his
future depends on a successful Trump presidency and he is doing all he can to help make that
happen. I intent to vote Cruz in Nov and encourage my friends to do the same. Beto representing
Texas in the Senate is unthinkable.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #288 on: September 10, 2018, 03:54:58 pm »
No. But it's built on paper. Nearly $4T more in debt. In what, 6/8 months? With another monster pile of cash going away right after the elections too. Tax cuts are indeed good for the economy - But it is predictably short lived if not coupled with spending cuts. Just printing more money causes inflation to heat up, as the grocery store can demonstrate.

That's right. The next dem president will tear it all down just as Tump tore down OBummer's. It wasn't long ago that governing by EO was considered a sign of administrative failure

Tump did that to himself.

Yes, that CAN be far reaching - And I will surely give him credit for it if/when the time comes.

Some have called me a pessimist.  Hell, I've even called myself a pessimist.  But the truth is... I'm a realist.  I am hopeful when it seems logical to be hopeful.  I'm not hopeful over our ever-spiraling, out of control debt.  I have come to the conclusion that no party, no where, is ever going to address the issue and deal with it.  It will go on and on, as is, no matter which party is in control of Congress, until it collapses.  We might as well get used to that 'reality'.  And prepare, as best we can, for the ultimate consequences.
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« Reply #289 on: September 10, 2018, 03:58:08 pm »
Name one thing that is BS and explain why.

300k construction jobs.
The whole North lays off construction workers in the winter, who are generally rehired in the spring. This is a well worn bit of economy shenanigans that administrations use to pimp their ride.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #290 on: September 10, 2018, 03:58:09 pm »
   If the GOP loses the House it will be solely the fault of that small, insignificant bunch of hater's known as NT'ers on TBR.


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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #291 on: September 10, 2018, 04:00:30 pm »
   If the GOP loses the House it will be solely the fault of that small, insignificant bunch of hater's known as NT'ers on TBR.



You're such a little S-stirrer, aren't you.
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« Reply #292 on: September 10, 2018, 04:00:35 pm »
Cruz has become one of Trump's main allies in the Senate. Cruz is smart enough to know his
future depends on a successful Trump presidency and he is doing all he can to help make that
happen. I intent to vote Cruz in Nov and encourage my friends to do the same. Beto representing
Texas in the Senate is unthinkable.

I don't think Texas is stupid enough to elect a nasty little crook over one of America's finest senators.

And Cruz is smart enough to know that not only his future, but the country's future depends on a successful Trump presidency and also to recognize that in spite of Trump's personal quirks, Trump is doing a good job for the country.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #293 on: September 10, 2018, 04:01:28 pm »
@jpsb
Bullshit. The buck stops at the top. If my company does something wrong, that is ALWAYS my fault. No one else's, even if it was just because I didn't see something coming.

Tump came in like a bull in a china shop and pissed off absolutely everyone he would later need to govern. I think he did that on purpose, precisely so he could have someone to blame... That's really being kind, as there is no other 'strategic' reason for doing so.

That doesn't work for me, and it shouldn't work for you either.

He broke it. He must fix it. But he won't. It is too useful for finger-pointing.

Look. I see why y'all are excited. All these EOs are like candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade. How can that be bad? It's good! but it will give you a bellyache later. Watch and see.

Me, I am more a meat and potatoes kind of guy.

The House is sending bills to the Senate and they die in the Senate. The GOP only has a 2 seat
majority, without D support nothing can get passed a closure vote (60 votes) and no D will
support anything Trump wants. Blaming Trump for this is grossly unfair, he is not, like you, a
CEO. We need more GOP senators and we need, we must, hold the House in these midterms.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #294 on: September 10, 2018, 04:03:04 pm »
I don't think Texas is stupid enough to elect a nasty little crook over one of America's finest senators.

And Cruz is smart enough to know that not only his future, but the country's future depends on a successful Trump presidency and also to recognize that in spite of Trump's personal quirks, Trump is doing a good job for the country.

Not yet.  But the idiot left is working on that "fundamental transformation" as we speak via illegal immigration, leftist voter fraud and mass migration of lefties from their previously fouled nests.

Ten years (or less) from now... Texas will probably have been 'transformed'.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #295 on: September 10, 2018, 04:03:04 pm »
Yeah riiiight... Like Roberts.

Trump did not appoint Roberts that neocon Bush did after the GOP revolted when he nominated his
friend and personal lawyer Harriet Meyers. Bush like Obama did not give a damn about the USA all he
cared about was taking care of his family and his friends.

@jpsb
Roberts was another golden boy at the time... Heck, he came Cruz endorsed. I was happy at his nomination for that reason, if no other. Turns out it was a very bad call. So I am ever inured from crediting judges till I find out what they are exactly. No skin off Tump's nose for it... I think his choices are well advised... but no credit yet either.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #296 on: September 10, 2018, 04:04:33 pm »
   If the GOP loses the House it will be solely the fault of that small, insignificant bunch of hater's known as NT'ers on TBR.



Oh, @corbe  This is a discussion forum and many of us take ourselves too seriously, especially the NTers who are sure as long as they constantly diss Trump that they will make some kind of difference.

They won't.  And neither will those of us who support Trump except in the sense that we are more a reflection of what's going on in the real world.

I'm sorry you can't have a Conservative Party that will sweep to glorious victory with Ben Sasse riding a white horse in front, but that ain't happening, baby.
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« Reply #297 on: September 10, 2018, 04:09:56 pm »
Some have called me a pessimist.  Hell, I've even called myself a pessimist.  But the truth is... I'm a realist.  I am hopeful when it seems logical to be hopeful.  I'm not hopeful over our ever-spiraling, out of control debt.  I have come to the conclusion that no party, no where, is ever going to address the issue and deal with it.  It will go on and on, as is, no matter which party is in control of Congress, until it collapses.  We might as well get used to that 'reality'.  And prepare, as best we can, for the ultimate consequences.

@XenaLee
It is no surprise to me that I agree with you... I have only to add that we are terribly close to the point of no return, if that point has not already passed us by. There is no more time, and it is now dire.

That is why I am a meat and potatoes guy. We need REAL change NOW, because nothing else will do. Anything else... ANYTHING else is just arranging the deck chairs.

good post.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #298 on: September 10, 2018, 04:17:49 pm »
The House is sending bills to the Senate and they die in the Senate. The GOP only has a 2 seat
majority, without D support nothing can get passed a closure vote (60 votes) and no D will
support anything Trump wants. Blaming Trump for this is grossly unfair, he is not, like you, a
CEO. We need more GOP senators and we need, we must, hold the House in these midterms.

@jpsb
Oh baloney. He came in BECAUSE he would run it like a CEO. He's the great negotiator. That's his whole dang shtick. I don't care if it is 'grossly unfair' or not, the buck stops on his desk. PERIOD.

Maybe if he didn't piss absolutely everyone off in the first place, he would have strong coalitions built by now. Even red state dems would like to toe the line, because they have to go home and face the voters... He has so polarized everyone against him that he has tied his own hands. I don't care how much turd polish you want to use on that, it ain't gonna stick. That was his first, and probably his worst mistake... And if you put your emotions aside, you will know it's true.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #299 on: September 10, 2018, 04:24:13 pm »
I don't think Texas is stupid enough to elect a nasty little crook over one of America's finest senators.

And Cruz is smart enough to know that not only his future, but the country's future depends on a successful Trump presidency and also to recognize that in spite of Trump's personal quirks, Trump is doing a good job for the country.

Cruz is not all that likeable and he pissed off a lot of Texans when he refused to honor his pledge
to support the nominee no matter who that nominee was. Texans do not like someone that goes
back on their word. I don't think anyone likes that. The Texas delegation meet with Cruz after his
speech at the convention and read him the riot act so he eventually saw the light after feeling the
heat. If there is not a blue wave that brings lots of folks that usually don't vote (illegals) Cruz will
win.

I expect a lot of voter fraud in Rat controlled areas and that with a high turn out worries me. If
Cruz can get our very popular governor Greg Abbot and our popular president Trump to campaign
for him that should be enough to put him over the top.