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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #175 on: September 09, 2018, 03:08:52 am »
   Hey Sasse, Come to our party and bring your Friends Cruz, Lee, Jordan, Meadows and the other like minded Congress Critters.



I wouldn't mind seeing him in the Constitutional party as well, it needs a good few faces since at times it draws some fringer elements.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #176 on: September 09, 2018, 03:11:36 am »
It will be interesting to see what the Constitution Party brings for 2020.

It is strong up in here... Northern ID, even more so...

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #177 on: September 09, 2018, 04:34:48 am »
The Sanhedrin and the Romans both laughed and scoffed at the First Century Christians.  Both said they would come to nothing and have zero influence on the world.  One ended up trying to exterminate them by force, and the other criminalized them socially, and within the confines of their jurisdictions, over nothing more than the fact that Christians represented principles that they both hated and saw as a threat to their rule and domination.

Republicans and Democrats view Principled Conservatives in the same way.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #178 on: September 09, 2018, 05:35:12 am »
The Trump sycophants are unhappy with Ben Sasse because he doesn't always vote with Trump.  For example, when Congress voted on a budget that was over $1 trillion in the red, Trump said 'yes', but Sasse voted 'no'.  Or when Congress tried to pass that 2-year budget bill Trump wanted which contained a stimulus package larger than the one Obama got in 2009, Sasse voted against that too.  Or when Congress was too chickensh!t to do the right thing with the budget and instead passed a 2-week resolution so that they could take their Christmas vacations, Sasse said 'no'.  Or when Congress voted to raise the debt ceiling last year, again Sasse voted 'no'.

And for all this, each and every one a Conservative position, Sasse gets trashed by the Trump sycophants because he didn't vote for liberal positions the President wanted.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #179 on: September 09, 2018, 06:13:15 am »
Ben Sasse may not have to leave the party.  If the Republicans lose big in the midterms, the party might just fall apart on its own.  Trump can stop pretending and join the Democrats, along with the rest of the liberal Republicans.  Sasse and the few remaining conservatives in congress can either join the Constitution Party or form their own conservative party.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #180 on: September 09, 2018, 06:25:43 am »
The Trump sycophants are unhappy with Ben Sasse because he doesn't always vote with Trump.  For example, when Congress voted on a budget that was over $1 trillion in the red, Trump said 'yes', but Sasse voted 'no'.  Or when Congress tried to pass that 2-year budget bill Trump wanted which contained a stimulus package larger than the one Obama got in 2009, Sasse voted against that too.  Or when Congress was too chickensh!t to do the right thing with the budget and instead passed a 2-week resolution so that they could take their Christmas vacations, Sasse said 'no'.  Or when Congress voted to raise the debt ceiling last year, again Sasse voted 'no'.

And for all this, each and every one a Conservative position, Sasse gets trashed by the Trump sycophants because he didn't vote for liberal positions the President wanted.

Yep. Trump is only a symptom of where's the party has gone. The conservatives will either be forced to fold on their principles or be purged. McConnell has been on this path for years with little resistance.

It will be interesting to see what Cruz does. He's going to be forced to chose between his principles or the party. He won't be allowed to have both. I don't know what he's going to do.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #181 on: September 09, 2018, 07:15:14 am »
Yep. Trump is only a symptom of where's the party has gone. The conservatives will either be forced to fold on their principles or be purged. McConnell has been on this path for years with little resistance.

It will be interesting to see what Cruz does. He's going to be forced to chose between his principles or the party. He won't be allowed to have both. I don't know what he's going to do.

Many of us have already made that decision, before the coming purge - because the Republican leadership made their contempt of Conservatives who hold fast to principles and will not budge to compromise yet again with liberalism, plain and crystal clear.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #182 on: September 09, 2018, 02:09:01 pm »
It will be interesting to see what the Constitution Party brings for 2020.

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Yeah,to maybe 17 people,tops.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #183 on: September 09, 2018, 04:53:33 pm »
It is strong up in here... Northern ID, even more so...

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #184 on: September 09, 2018, 05:05:05 pm »

Yeah,to maybe 17 people,tops.

Well considering liberty itself as the idea of the rule of law begat a nation that started with only 56 individuals, I'd say that mustard seeds are of great value to those who champion truth - and are despised by those who are cowards and seek safety in numbers.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #185 on: September 09, 2018, 05:20:29 pm »
Yep. Trump is only a symptom of where's the party has gone. The conservatives will either be forced to fold on their principles or be purged. McConnell has been on this path for years with little resistance.

It will be interesting to see what Cruz does. He's going to be forced to chose between his principles or the party. He won't be allowed to have both. I don't know what he's going to do.

Ted Cruz was on Fox Business this morning and he was most impressive. 

He laid out a strong plan for the Republicans to win this fall and it did not involve folding any tents or moving away.

In fact, Cruz came out more strongly than I've ever seen him as a Trump supporter.  He stressed the importance of building the wall NOW.  He believes in it both for its actual effectiveness in stopping the flow of illegals into the country and as a symbolic gesture of fulfilling campaign promises; i.e. the will of the people.

Ted Cruz has proven that you don't have to be a little self-obsessed ninny nanny but that you can man up and help the party, even if you have to overcome differences with other people.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #186 on: September 09, 2018, 05:23:35 pm »
Ben Sasse may not have to leave the party.  If the Republicans lose big in the midterms, the party might just fall apart on its own.  Trump can stop pretending and join the Democrats, along with the rest of the liberal Republicans.  Sasse and the few remaining conservatives in congress can either join the Constitution Party or form their own conservative party.

I'm astonished that you seem to relish the possibility of Republicans losing in the midterms and the party falling apart.

How can a sane person wish for that? 

There is not the faintest hope of any third party gaining power in 4, 8 or more years.  The dissolution or failure of Republicans would only lead to democrat rule.  In other words, socialist, crazy people rule.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #187 on: September 09, 2018, 05:27:54 pm »
In fact, Cruz came out more strongly than I've ever seen him as a Trump supporter.  He stressed the importance of building the wall NOW.  He believes in it both for its actual effectiveness in stopping the flow of illegals into the country and as a symbolic gesture of fulfilling campaign promises; i.e. the will of the people.

What does any of that have to do with being a Trump supporter?  Cruz was saying that long before Trump decided to be a Republican.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #188 on: September 09, 2018, 05:47:15 pm »
What does any of that have to do with being a Trump supporter?  Cruz was saying that long before Trump decided to be a Republican.

I don't understand the question.  I watched Ted Cruz.  He thinks that turnout is the major factor because the majority of people are for what the Republicans stand for as opposed to the democrats.  He came out for pushing the building of the wall.  What is your question?
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #189 on: September 09, 2018, 05:55:52 pm »
I'm astonished that you seem to relish the possibility of Republicans losing in the midterms and the party falling apart.

How can a sane person wish for that? 

She did not 'wish' for it.  She was stating a supposition based on the fact that, should they lose - it will be well-deserved.

There is not the faintest hope of any third party gaining power in 4, 8 or more years. 

And the Tory Loyalists said it was an impossibility "in three lifetimes" that an independent nation could be born and prosper outside of Britain's rule.  Gotta start somewhere, because true Conservatism has been repudiated by the Republican party.

The dissolution or failure of Republicans would only lead to democrat rule.  In other words, socialist, crazy people rule.

So what?  That scare tactic has no longer works.  The last 9 years prove, when Republicans are given leadership - they govern exactly like Democrats do and even bigger spenders.  There 'aint a whit's difference between either party as far as principles and limited government go.  Just a couple degrees of separation of how each party will use Statist Government and what kind of constituents they reward with everyone else's money. 
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #190 on: September 09, 2018, 06:14:50 pm »
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #191 on: September 09, 2018, 06:22:03 pm »
I don't understand the question.  I watched Ted Cruz.  He thinks that turnout is the major factor because the majority of people are for what the Republicans stand for as opposed to the democrats.  He came out for pushing the building of the wall.  What is your question?

You said:

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In fact, Cruz came out more strongly than I've ever seen him as a Trump supporter.

What did you mean by "as a Trump supporter"?  Because Cruz has been strong on immigration long before Trump came on the scene.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #192 on: September 09, 2018, 07:00:04 pm »
Sasse is a squish.  I stand with @Frank Cannon on him.  Which is with a boot on his scrawny neck.

He is a do nothing loser who never had a real job. He is also disliked in his state and has been since about 5 minutes after he was elected and people clued into the fact that he is a do nothing loser who never had a real job.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #193 on: September 09, 2018, 07:30:38 pm »
You said:

What did you mean by "as a Trump supporter"?  Because Cruz has been strong on immigration long before Trump came on the scene.

It's a real shame you didn't watch the Cruz video.  It is available through Fox News.

I neither said nor implied that Cruz was not strong on immigration.  He's very strong, particularly since he's a Texan and Texas is greatly impacted.

What I said was he came out strong as a Trump supporter.  He emphasized that he is working with Trump and conferring with him weekly and sometimes daily.  I already knew he was helping Trump with Trump's agenda but he said it more strongly today.

I'm not sure what your problem is @Hoodat
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #194 on: September 09, 2018, 07:58:46 pm »
I'm astonished that you seem to relish the possibility of Republicans losing in the midterms and the party falling apart.

How can a sane person wish for that? 

A sane person couldn't, but I am never astonished at the foolishness of our NTers.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #195 on: September 09, 2018, 08:27:06 pm »
I neither said nor implied that Cruz was not strong on immigration.  He's very strong, particularly since he's a Texan and Texas is greatly impacted.

What I said was he came out strong as a Trump supporter.  He emphasized that he is working with Trump and conferring with him weekly and sometimes daily.  I already knew he was helping Trump with Trump's agenda but he said it more strongly today.

I'm not sure what your problem is @Hoodat

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Thank you for clarifying.  Your wording was ambiguous.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #196 on: September 09, 2018, 08:33:58 pm »
A sane person couldn't, but I am never astonished at the foolishness of our NTers.

As if continuing to practice insanity by voting the same way, expecting different results and redefining liberalism as Conservatism to assuage your justifications for embracing what Democrats do,  is any more "sane" than those who rightly understand that should the Republicans lose - it will be well-deserved.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #197 on: September 09, 2018, 11:42:30 pm »
What does any of that have to do with being a Trump supporter?  Cruz was saying that long before Trump decided to be a Republican.

You're right about Cruz.

Trump is a relative newcomer, but he did win the Presidency and he has been trying to do exactly what he campaigned on. We do have real growing economy again. We do have a needed reinvestment in our military. We do have conservative judges being nominated and confirmed. We do have a President who won't just let the issue of immigration go. Trump does deserve some credit I can't remember the last time we had a POTUS who actually went to DC and didn't change his tune, maybe Reagan but I can't think of anyone else.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #198 on: September 10, 2018, 12:26:26 am »
I'm astonished that you seem to relish the possibility of Republicans losing in the midterms and the party falling apart.


Where did I say that?

The party has been heading for the crapper for a number of years.  Like many, I stuck it out, hoping that the party would come to its senses and straighten out.  But after years-- YEARS! -- of listening to and falling for the same phony promises and lies, I've had enough.  I had some hope that Ted Cruz and others could turn the party around, but I've had to face the reality that nothing will change.  The party is infested with liberals and there is no one interested in getting rid of the vermin.  Trump promised to drain the swamp, but once he became president, that promise, like so many others, was forgotten.

So now I don't care what happens to the party.  It's very possible Republicans will lose their majority in either or maybe both houses.  If they do, they have no one to blame but themselves.  I refuse to waste my vote on them anymore.  I will neither cry nor rejoice when the party falls, but I also will not take the blame for its demise.  Instead I will hope that from the ashes a new party will emerge, one that will genuinely embrace conservatism.  It may take years of Democrat rule for people to get tired of them too.  But they will tire of them and will be ready to embrace real conservatism. 

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #199 on: September 10, 2018, 12:28:50 am »
You're right about Cruz.

Trump is a relative newcomer, but he did win the Presidency and he has been trying to do exactly what he campaigned on. We do have real growing economy again. We do have a needed reinvestment in our military. We do have conservative judges being nominated and confirmed. We do have a President who won't just let the issue of immigration go. Trump does deserve some credit I can't remember the last time we had a POTUS who actually went to DC and didn't change his tune, maybe Reagan but I can't think of anyone else.

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And all that just seems to make them hate him more.
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