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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2018, 06:11:33 pm »
@Emjay

How exactly did Ben's tweet "deride the Republican Party"?  Please be specific.

(And for the record, nothing makes the Republican Party look worse than seeing Republican politicians reneg on their promises once elected.  Sasse has remained true to his.)

Without going back and reading the exact wording, I believe he replied to a tweet asking if he ever thought about changing parties and he said he did.

I believe that carries at least a whiff of derision for the Republican Party and it was a huge mistake.  Not totally unforgiveable if he quickly attempts to explain and disclaim.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2018, 06:12:28 pm »
McConnell redeemed himself when he jumped on the Trump Train back in early 2016 just to keep Ted Cruz out of the White House.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2018, 06:13:13 pm »
@Emjay

He hanged himself?

COOL! I hadn't heard.

Not yet, Sneaky, but he has done a masterful job getting the Kavanaugh hearings through the Senate.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2018, 06:13:58 pm »
as I said upthread:

“Pretty much the only “conservatives” who criticize Sasse are members of the trump fanboy club because he has on occasion criticized trump.”

And the usual suspects are chiming in, proving my point exactly....
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2018, 06:14:53 pm »
as I said upthread:

“Pretty much the only “conservatives” who criticize Sasse are members of the trump fanboy club because he has on occasion criticized trump.”

And the usual suspects are chiming in, proving my point exactly....

A QED moment indeed.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2018, 06:17:20 pm »
I tweeted back, thanking him for the speech, but asking him shouldn't he be more pissed at McConnell and the turncoats for not getting anything done?

If he doesn't like Trump's demeanor, to each his own I guess, but if we're focused on results, the problem lies in the very body he serves in.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2018, 06:18:51 pm »
as I said upthread:

“Pretty much the only “conservatives” who criticize Sasse are members of the trump fanboy club because he has on occasion criticized trump.”

And the usual suspects are chiming in, proving my point exactly....

That is ridiculous.  I posted yesterday on the hearings thread how impressed I was with Sasse.

And I have repeatedly stated that the only reason I am upset by his tweet is that I do like him and don't want him to throw his political future away.

Do you have any sensible response?
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2018, 06:20:27 pm »
Are you high?
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I was actually being sarcastic to make a point.  I think Sen Sasse is fully awesome and he could be the future of the party that splinters off the GOP.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2018, 06:25:14 pm »
@Hoodat @Axeslinger @Chosen Daughter
I was actually being sarcastic to make a point.  I think Sen Sasse is fully awesome and he could be the future of the party that splinters off the GOP.

By the time a viable party with a chance of winning could splinter off of the GOP, even Sasse will be too old to run.

His only chance for a political future will be to stick with and try to improve the Republican Party.  We have a small but growing number of really smart Senators who can accomplish this, especially if we can add to their ranks and get rid of the deadwood.  Lee, Cruz, Sasse ... to name a few.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2018, 06:25:25 pm »
Without going back and reading the exact wording,  .  .

There's your first mistake.


I believe he replied to a tweet asking if he ever thought about changing parties and he said he did.

I didn't ask you what he replied to.   I asked you what he said.  Specifically, how did Ben's tweet "deride the Republican Party"?


I believe that carries at least a whiff of derision for the Republican Party and it was a huge mistake.

So now it's minimized to "at least a whiff of derision"?  And all this was done without actually reading what he tweeted?
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2018, 06:27:33 pm »
The reason I am so upset about this is that I like Sasse a lot and I think he has a future in the leadership of the country.

But it is childish and thoughtless for him to throw it away in a silly tweet.

Ted Cruz is probably equally disgusted with some of the Republicans but he would never do that.

Ben is young, good-looking and incredibly smart.  I hate to see him throw it away on some pie-in-the-sky notion of some perfect party out there somewhere.

He has to work within the party and he won't get anywhere by making an enemy of his own party.

There is no Republican party anymore.  It is a huge experiment in reality show.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2018, 06:29:28 pm »
There's your first mistake.


I didn't ask you what he replied to.   I asked you what he said.  Specifically, how did Ben's tweet "deride the Republican Party"?


So now it's minimized to "at least a whiff of derision"?  And all this was done without actually reading what he tweeted?

What is wrong with you?  Give it up.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2018, 06:32:11 pm »
Ben Sasse Conducts a Two-Minute Master Class in American Civics

By David French     |     September 4, 2018 6:50 PM


Look, I’m the first to admit I’m biased about Ben Sasse. I consider him a friend, and my wife has worked for him on various projects. I like Ben Sasse, but I like Sasse in part because of moments like this — moments when he puts on what is best described as a short master class in civics and the role of the judiciary in the American constitutional republic. Watch and learn:

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2018, 06:34:12 pm »
By the time a viable party with a chance of winning could splinter off of the GOP, even Sasse will be too old to run.

His only chance for a political future will be to stick with and try to improve the Republican Party.  We have a small but growing number of really smart Senators who can accomplish this, especially if we can add to their ranks and get rid of the deadwood.  Lee, Cruz, Sasse ... to name a few.

Just to be clear "Lee, Cruz, Sasse" are the "really smart Senators" not the "deadwood?"  Agreed. wink777

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2018, 06:37:29 pm »
@Hoodat @Axeslinger @Chosen Daughter
I was actually being sarcastic to make a point.  I think Sen Sasse is fully awesome and he could be the future of the party that splinters off the GOP.

I hope he takes you to nirvana...The band... not the plain of existence
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2018, 06:37:55 pm »
   Hey Sasse, Come to our party and bring your Friends Cruz, Lee, Jordan, Meadows and the other like minded Congress Critters.  It's a low mileage vehicle with a full frame and we can drop a 454 in it.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2018, 06:38:15 pm »
Disappointing for Sasse to tweet this after the great speech at the Kavanaugh hearing. Would he actually consider joining the party of abortion and open borders?
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2018, 06:39:30 pm »
I hope he takes you to nirvana...The band... not the plain of existence
I just hope I can shower less after saying I still have conservative opinions.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2018, 06:40:11 pm »
Just to be clear "Lee, Cruz, Sasse" are the "really smart Senators" not the "deadwood?"  Agreed. wink777

I had to read it twice too.  I thought she was suggesting they were the deadwood.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2018, 06:43:21 pm »
I just hope I can shower less after saying I still have conservative opinions.

It is important to build up a protective crust.  Showering too much makes you susceptible to illness and liberal thoughts......  Both are detrimental to your overall well-being
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #45 on: September 08, 2018, 06:43:38 pm »
Disappointing for Sasse to tweet this after the great speech at the Kavanaugh hearing. Would he actually consider joining the party of abortion and open borders?

I never even thought that someone would suggest that but you did.  LOL! 

At Trumps rally he suggests to the crowd we love Judge Jeanine don’t we?  Cheers from the Trump fans!!  But Judge Jeanine describes herself and it is a far cry from “Republican” , at least as I know it.  And more closely describes what Ted Cruz accurately said during a Presidential debate which was “New York Values”........................


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It might be more of a case of not knowing what Republican party is anymore.  But I assure you that Sasse would not be going left, but toward the original intent of the government set up by the Founding
Fathers.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #46 on: September 08, 2018, 06:56:30 pm »
It might be more of a case of not knowing what Republican party is anymore.  But I assure you that Sasse would not be going left, but toward the original intent of the government set up by the Founding
Fathers.

Oh you and your conservative values, integrity, freedom, and Constitutional limits.  Outdated.  Loser.  Sad.  Many people are saying this.  /sarc...just in case it's needed
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #47 on: September 08, 2018, 06:57:27 pm »
Disappointing for Sasse to tweet this after the great speech at the Kavanaugh hearing. Would he actually consider joining the party of abortion and open borders?

Thanks @austingirl for bringing a little sanity back to this discussion.

Sasse wasn't hinting that he was attracted to the democrat party.  He was expressing dissatisfaction with the Republican Party and hinting (or saying) that he'd considered changing parties.

I was disappointed, just as I am disappointed when semi-sane people like @corbe dream about a Constitution Party.

Any attempt at all to create a third party right now would just weaken the Republican Party and leave the door wide open for democrats.  With the democrat party as filled with a mix of crazy and crazier, it would lead to complete disaster.

The best chance a third party ever had or ever will have was Dallas Billionaire H. Ross Perot.  This guy managed to attract a LOT of people and all he succeeded in doing was getting Clinton elected.

A lot of people got hysterical at me on this thread because I was upset with Sasse even though I made it clear that I like Sasse very much and think he is one of the great (white) hopes for the party.

I do not want him to drift over into Never Never Land because of annoyance with Republicans.  We're on a pretty good roll right now even with Trump and should soon have two really good new Justices in the court.  I am thrilled with Kavanaugh.  He did not put a foot wrong.  Could Trump have nominated two better people?  Don't see how.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2018, 07:05:16 pm »
   Hey Sasse, Come to our party and bring your Friends Cruz, Lee, Jordan, Meadows and the other like minded Congress Critters.  It's a low mileage vehicle with a full frame and we can drop a 454 in it.



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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2018, 07:05:25 pm »
Thanks @austingirl for bringing a little sanity back to this discussion.

Sasse wasn't hinting that he was attracted to the democrat party.  He was expressing dissatisfaction with the Republican Party and hinting (or saying) that he'd considered changing parties.

I was disappointed, just as I am disappointed when semi-sane people like @corbe dream about a Constitution Party.

Any attempt at all to create a third party right now would just weaken the Republican Party and leave the door wide open for democrats.  With the democrat party as filled with a mix of crazy and crazier, it would lead to complete disaster.

The best chance a third party ever had or ever will have was Dallas Billionaire H. Ross Perot.  This guy managed to attract a LOT of people and all he succeeded in doing was getting Clinton elected.

A lot of people got hysterical at me on this thread because I was upset with Sasse even though I made it clear that I like Sasse very much and think he is one of the great (white) hopes for the party.

I do not want him to drift over into Never Never Land because of annoyance with Republicans.  We're on a pretty good roll right now even with Trump and should soon have two really good new Justices in the court.  I am thrilled with Kavanaugh.  He did not put a foot wrong.  Could Trump have nominated two better people?  Don't see how.


   That's the same thing the Whigs told Lincoln in 1858 and we know how that turned out @Emjay The War of Northern Aggression, so you may have a point. 
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