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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #750 on: September 16, 2018, 08:55:55 am »
Maybe because we're all 'disbelieving, smug, self-righteous, arrogant and otherwise contrarian naysayers' because we require proof.  *****rollingeyes*****

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #751 on: September 16, 2018, 01:11:19 pm »
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He [President Trump] can say what HE wants vs have the talking heads mangle it. True, he could sometimes be more refined and even a bit more circumspect on some topics and in some situations.

Yes, agreed and probably most of his supporters would also agree. But, none of us, I suspect, would want to throw out the baby with the bath water as so many of Trump’s misguided conservative critics here seem so determined to do.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #752 on: September 16, 2018, 03:07:24 pm »
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Yes, agreed and probably most of his supporters would also agree. But, none of us, I suspect, would want to throw out the baby with the bath water as so many of Trump’s misguided conservative critics here seem so determined to do.

Yeah.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that, though.

A lot of the contrarian naysayers seem to demonstrate a ton of psycho-dynamic crap pretending to be righteous skepticism.

Periodically, I get my fill of that junk and don't care to bother that much with them for however long.

They don't seem to care about the evidence. Every shred of evidence is twisted & mangled into their construction on reality. Don't confuse them with facts.

They are addicted to an OCD level to paranoia about committing a false positive error. They pretend to be quite super rational in demanding a "scientific," laboratory, Supreme Court level of "proof." Yet, they show about 0.0001% understanding of the scientific fact that such an extreme addiction to fear of committing a false positive error leaves them stacking up tons of probability to the point of certainty that a slew of false negative errors will bite them in their rears.

Ahhhh wellll. So be it.

Those who are resistant to being teachable; resistant to being fair-minded; resistant to thinking outside their usual tidy little boxes will eventually experience their share of being wrong.

They seem to claim that their dyed-in-the-wool skepticism is righteously and objectively originated. Nonsense. It is psycho-dynamically generated and maintained. It is their deeply entrenched defense against their own anxieties about potentially being seen as wrong about anything.

Anyway . . . imho.

Thanks for your kind post. Most of the nonsense on this thread that goes for such 'astute & discerning' skepticism is farcical, imho.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #753 on: September 16, 2018, 03:27:54 pm »
Yeah.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that, though.

A lot of the contrarian naysayers seem to demonstrate a ton of psycho-dynamic crap pretending to be righteous skepticism.

Periodically, I get my fill of that junk and don't care to bother that much with them for however long.

They don't seem to care about the evidence. Every shred of evidence is twisted & mangled into their construction on reality. Don't confuse them with facts.

They are addicted to an OCD level to paranoia about committing a false positive error. They pretend to be quite super rational in demanding a "scientific," laboratory, Supreme Court level of "proof." Yet, they show about 0.0001% understanding of the scientific fact that such an extreme addiction to fear of committing a false positive error leaves them stacking up tons of probability to the point of certainty that a slew of false negative errors will bite them in their rears.

Ahhhh wellll. So be it.

Those who are resistant to being teachable; resistant to being fair-minded; resistant to thinking outside their usual tidy little boxes will eventually experience their share of being wrong.

They seem to claim that their dyed-in-the-wool skepticism is righteously and objectively originated. Nonsense. It is psycho-dynamically generated and maintained. It is their deeply entrenched defense against their own anxieties about potentially being seen as wrong about anything.

Anyway . . . imho.

Thanks for your kind post. Most of the nonsense on this thread that goes for such 'astute & discerning' skepticism is farcical, imho.

Thank you, Quix.

I don't understand the mindset that believes my support of a president, as personally flawed as he may be, who is finally beginning to turn the ship of state in the right direction is somehow indicative of some moral deficiency on my part. Its ridiculous and I've stopped trying.


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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #754 on: September 16, 2018, 03:33:28 pm »
Thank you, Quix.

I don't understand the mindset that believes my support of a president, as personally flawed as he may be, who is finally beginning to turn the ship of state in the right direction is somehow indicative of some moral deficiency on my part. Its ridiculous and I've stopped trying.

Yeah. I'm strongly with you on that score.

The morality, imho, is firmly on the side of the one seeking God's help in trashing the horrific evils saturating our government and other institutions.

However, "Christianity" has a history of leaving lots of bodies on the field from 'friendly fire.'
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #755 on: September 16, 2018, 04:45:12 pm »
Yeah.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that, though.

A lot of the contrarian naysayers seem to demonstrate a ton of psycho-dynamic crap pretending to be righteous skepticism.

Periodically, I get my fill of that junk and don't care to bother that much with them for however long.

They don't seem to care about the evidence. Every shred of evidence is twisted & mangled into their construction on reality. Don't confuse them with facts.

They are addicted to an OCD level to paranoia about committing a false positive error. They pretend to be quite super rational in demanding a "scientific," laboratory, Supreme Court level of "proof." Yet, they show about 0.0001% understanding of the scientific fact that such an extreme addiction to fear of committing a false positive error leaves them stacking up tons of probability to the point of certainty that a slew of false negative errors will bite them in their rears.

Ahhhh wellll. So be it.

Those who are resistant to being teachable; resistant to being fair-minded; resistant to thinking outside their usual tidy little boxes will eventually experience their share of being wrong.

They seem to claim that their dyed-in-the-wool skepticism is righteously and objectively originated. Nonsense. It is psycho-dynamically generated and maintained. It is their deeply entrenched defense against their own anxieties about potentially being seen as wrong about anything.

Anyway . . . imho.

Thanks for your kind post. Most of the nonsense on this thread that goes for such 'astute & discerning' skepticism is farcical, imho.

Well since it is claimed that Trump is leading some kind of Qanon in Gods name I must say I am instructed in the Bible to have righteous skepticism.  This all started during the campaign with someone who claimed God had chosen Trump.  He caused the miracle of Trump to be elected.  Did he orchestrate Trumps lying about Cruz and his family?  Did God do that?  Did he instruct Trump to have Pecker run a story about Cruz and women?  Did he do that?  Did God have to have Trump lie to win the election?  Did he have Trump try to cover up his escapades with the women by paying them hush money?  God is dishonest and he was worried Trump couldn't win if he was honest?

Does God direct Trump to tweet about his own appointments?  To say people are good when they are corrupt? (Manafort). 

I have been told that Trump and his Qanon government are going to make arrests and some scary stuff is going to unfold in the next few week, and to watch for it (without being anxious).  Makes me think of Nazi Germany.  Hitler talked about God a lot too.  If anything does happen it better be in line with Constitutional law.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #756 on: September 16, 2018, 04:45:34 pm »
To both of you, @Quix @skeeter  :beer:  :patriot:

The subtext in all of this Trump hysteria is the future of America. Are we living the founders’ vision of America in the 21st century? If not, what are we doing as patriotic Americans to get back to it?

Donald Trump, flawed as he is, as a citizen and now as president has given every indication he understands we’re in a bad place as a nation and is taking steps to move America towards the American principles given us in the United States constitution.

I will never understand the point of criticizing him for normal human sexual behavior in his younger days when the core of his presidency is about doing the right thing for Americans now. I don’t get that?

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #757 on: September 16, 2018, 04:54:57 pm »
To both of you, @Quix @skeeter  :beer:  :patriot:

The subtext in all of this Trump hysteria is the future of America. Are we living the founders’ vision of America in the 21st century? If not, what are we doing as patriotic Americans to get back to it?

Donald Trump, flawed as he is, as a citizen and now as president has given every indication he understands we’re in a bad place as a nation and is taking steps to move America towards the American principles given us in the United States constitution.

I will never understand the point of criticizing him for normal human sexual behavior in his younger days when the core of his presidency is about doing the right thing for Americans now. I don’t get that?

Ummm, wasn't l'affaire de Stormy just a few years ago?  It was not in his youth.  It occurred during this 3rd marriage.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #758 on: September 16, 2018, 04:59:31 pm »
There's not enough tinfoil in the world for what this thread has devolved into.

I'm off to find another positive article on trump so the Trump Schutzstaffel can continue to call me a "hater".

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #759 on: September 16, 2018, 05:02:51 pm »
@Quix said:
Yes, agreed and probably most of his supporters would also agree. But, none of us, I suspect, would want to throw out the baby with the bath water as so many of Trump’s misguided conservative critics here seem so determined to do.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #760 on: September 16, 2018, 05:06:21 pm »
Yeah. I'm strongly with you on that score.

The morality, imho, is firmly on the side of the one seeking God's help in trashing the horrific evils saturating our government and other institutions.

However, "Christianity" has a history of leaving lots of bodies on the field from 'friendly fire.'

@Quix

Well said!
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #761 on: September 16, 2018, 05:13:11 pm »
To both of you, @Quix @skeeter  :beer:  :patriot:

The subtext in all of this Trump hysteria is the future of America. Are we living the founders’ vision of America in the 21st century? If not, what are we doing as patriotic Americans to get back to it?

Donald Trump, flawed as he is, as a citizen and now as president has given every indication he understands we’re in a bad place as a nation and is taking steps to move America towards the American principles given us in the United States constitution.

I will never understand the point of criticizing him for normal human sexual behavior in his younger days when the core of his presidency is about doing the right thing for Americans now. I don’t get that?

@aligncare

The point is those posters desire nothing less than THEIR version of a "Christian America" where the Holy Bible takes the place of the Constitution,and they can,through their representatives,condemn people to Hell for not agreeing with THEM. They want nothing less than a religious police state,and see Trump as a bigger danger to their dreams than Hitlery was or will ever be.

They HATE individual freedoms and want those who don't follow their alleged moral guidelines to be punished by the government. They would have been right at home back in the days of "stocks" on the courthouse lawns to punish people in public and shame them for stuff like taking the Lords name in vain,doing unapproved work on Sunday,not attending church,etc,etc,etc.

They seek nothing less than complete control over every aspect of our lives by THEIR version of a "just government". They ARE the mirror image of the radial left. 
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #762 on: September 16, 2018, 05:15:14 pm »
Ummm, wasn't l'affaire de Stormy just a few years ago?  It was not in his youth.  It occurred during this 3rd marriage.

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So what? Who died and made you the National Moral Matron?
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #763 on: September 16, 2018, 05:15:41 pm »
Ummm, wasn't l'affaire de Stormy just a few years ago?  It was not in his youth.  It occurred during this 3rd marriage.

Unless you are Roy Moore.

Then, it's open season.

If you're Trump - what happened yesterday can no longer be considered.  It is what he says and does right now, in this moment that matters.  Not what he said and did 30 minutes ago.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #764 on: September 16, 2018, 05:23:24 pm »
@Sanguine

So what? Who died and made you the National Moral Matron?

You got a problem with facts, @sneakypete, or you just spreading your version of sunshine today?

Go back and read the comment I quoted and was replying to if this confuses you.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #765 on: September 16, 2018, 05:25:03 pm »
Unless you are Roy Moore.

Then, it's open season.

If you're Trump - what happened yesterday can no longer be considered.  It is what he says and does right now, in this moment that matters.  Not what he said and did 30 minutes ago.

Don't even use my comment to riff on Roy Moore.  Not the same situation at all.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #766 on: September 16, 2018, 05:25:12 pm »
@Sanguine

So what? Who died and made you the National Moral Matron?

Did it bother you that Bill Clinton was doing the deed with babes in the Oval Office?

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #767 on: September 16, 2018, 05:28:57 pm »
You got a problem with facts, @sneakypete, or you just spreading your version of sunshine today?

Go back and read the comment I quoted and was replying to if this confuses you.

@Sanguine

Just trying to bring a little reality into your imaginary world.
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« Reply #768 on: September 16, 2018, 05:30:26 pm »
Ummm, wasn't l'affaire de Stormy just a few years ago?  It was not in his youth.  It occurred during this 3rd marriage.

So what? We elected him to lead the nation, we did not elected him to be the Pope.

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« Reply #769 on: September 16, 2018, 05:31:29 pm »
Its not about Trump the person, however hard some try to make it so. Its about the nation.

I will not condemn him as long as he’s doing what I believe is best for the country. As long as he does not descend to bill Clinton levels of deprativity. which were not only illegal but openly contemptuous of the office of the president and humiliating to the nation at large.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #770 on: September 16, 2018, 05:33:21 pm »
Did it bother you that Bill Clinton was doing the deed with babes in the Oval Office?

No, as long as no felonies are committed I don't give a damn.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #771 on: September 16, 2018, 05:34:39 pm »
So what? We elected him to lead the nation, we did not elected him to be the Pope.

@jpsb

And you just put your finger on why they hate him. If not the Pope,maybe Jimmy Swaggart or Pat Robertson. Like Muslims wanting to live in Muslim nations under Islamic Law,they want to live in a Christian Nation ruled by Christian dictates.

Which means individual freedoms are the last thing they want. What they want is obedience.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #772 on: September 16, 2018, 05:37:49 pm »
Don't even use my comment to riff on Roy Moore.  Not the same situation at all.

Hypocrisy is.

Trump fanatics tell us that what Trump did in his "youth" is immaterial to his character because 'every male in history does it".

But, when a Moore is accused to trying to court and date young women some 40 years ago - why, he's a pedophile unfit for consideration.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #773 on: September 16, 2018, 05:39:16 pm »
So what? We elected him to lead the nation, we did not elected him to be the Pope.

Speaking of Clinton, this is indeed the exact same excuse the Democrats gave about why we need to just ignore the behavior, and move on.
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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
« Reply #774 on: September 16, 2018, 05:41:24 pm »
@jpsb

And you just put your finger on why they hate him. If not the Pope,maybe Jimmy Swaggart or Pat Robertson. Like Muslims wanting to live in Muslim nations under Islamic Law,they want to live in a Christian Nation ruled by Christian dictates.

Which means individual freedoms are the last thing they want. What’s

 they want is obedience.

Other than on this board I do not hear a lot of anti trump posturing from the Christian community.Its those in the party trump threw out of the wheelhouse who are his loudest critics.