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The Dems would run (under Bernie Sanders) a reported 15 TRILLION-dollar deficit for single-payer health insurance alone. Clinton, should she run again, would likely be at least half of that. Trump's plan is significantly less.Talk about putting the country on a path to financial ruin!

Oh yes, let's all go bonkers to cheerlead the man signing us onto 4-plus Trillion in debt (by the time he leaves office) because it is LESS than the 15 Trillion the Communists want to spend!

The Republican Party's new slogan - "Vote for us, because we will tax and spend your money less egregiously than the Democrats".

This is the same mental idiocy that buys into the belief that slowing the rate of projected spending increases is a budget 'cut'.
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Oh yes, let's all go bonkers to cheerlead the man signing us onto 4-plus Trillion in debt (by the time he leaves office) because it is LESS than the 15 Trillion the Communists want to spend!

The Republican Party's new slogan - "Vote for us, because we will tax and spend your money less egregiously than the Democrats".

This is the same mental idiocy that buys into the belief that slowing the rate of projected spending increases is a budget 'cut'.

You do the math. Which party would cost us less? Repubs or Dems? Looks like they're the only two viable political parties on the horizon...

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Exactly. Certainly the deficit is a concern, but monies (though pale in comparison) are starting to come back into the U.S.  People are finding jobs.  The U.S. economy is growing; in the 2nd quarter it grew at it's fastest pace since 2014; that's 14 years!

http://fortune.com/2018/07/27/us-gdp-growth-trump/

https://www.heritage.org/jobs-and-labor/commentary/3-million-people-have-found-jobs-trump-took-office

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-21/trump-s-metal-tariffs-have-yielded-more-than-775-million-so-far

Exactly, @libertybele .  And that is more important, at least in the short run.

It's amazing that the NTers here are suddenly worrying about the deficit and more amazing that they are attributing all of it to Trump when only a small fraction happened on his watch.
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You do the math. Which party would cost us less? Repubs or Dems? Looks like they're the only two viable political parties on the horizon...

Well thank you for demonstrating the same mindset that calls a reduction in the rate of projected spending increases a 'cut'.

And, BOTH parties have cost us more than we can bear - both in terms of economy and in terms of liberty.

They both suck and are a bane on the former Conservative ideal of a small, and limited government.
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It's amazing that the NTers here are suddenly worrying about the deficit and more amazing that they are attributing all of it to Trump when only a small fraction happened on his watch.

No - WRONG AGAIN!

Principled Conservatives have never stopped worrying about the deficit and spending and an insatiable behemoth government beast.  It's the ForeverTrump®s who have abandoned the lip service they paid to fiscal responsibility once their prince and party were the ones doing the taxing and spending.

It doesn't matter what fraction of trillions in debt Trump is responsible for.  The campaign promise was to get us out of debt - not add to it.  I frankly don't care that it's less than the Democrats spent during 8 years of Obama.  Were only into two years of Trump and at this rate he will sign onto and add more than 4 Trillion to the debt.
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You do the math. Which party would cost us less? Repubs or Dems? Looks like they're the only two viable political parties on the horizon...

At this point neither.  Two of the last three presidents that have been the most profligate spenders in the history of our country were Republican.
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You do the math. Which party would cost us less? Repubs or Dems? Looks like they're the only two viable political parties on the horizon...
I'm kinda like the guy who talking about his divorce, said "If I'd just killed her, I'd be out by now."

We can't recover until one of two things happen. Either we quit spending money we don't have, or collapse and recover. As for who would cost us less, let's look at the budget...

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Oh. What budget? :shrug:
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You do the math. Which party would cost us less? Repubs or Dems? Looks like they're the only two viable political parties on the horizon...

Absurdity.
'lesser government' is not less government. You seem to have completely lost sight of one of the primary principles (that would be something like 'first truths among truths) of the benefit of small government... And an overreaching federal behemoth becomes acceptable and commonplace.

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Exactly, @libertybele .  And that is more important, at least in the short run.

It's amazing that the NTers here are suddenly worrying about the deficit and more amazing that they are attributing all of it to Trump when only a small fraction happened on his watch.

There's very little spending a president can do anything about. But he does have VETO power
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Exactly, @libertybele .  And that is more important, at least in the short run.

It's amazing that the NTers here are suddenly worrying about the deficit and more amazing that they are attributing all of it to Trump when only a small fraction happened on his watch.

100% of the deficit happened on his watch.

Personally, I have always put most of the blame on spending where it belongs, on Congress.  But most people talk about how POTUS is responsible for the deficit (or GDP, or any other number of things that he is not), and in that context trumps owns ALL of our deficit. 
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100% of the deficit happened on his watch.

Personally, I have always put most of the blame on spending where it belongs, on Congress.  But most people talk about how POTUS is responsible for the deficit (or GDP, or any other number of things that he is not), and in that context trumps owns ALL of our deficit.
That's only true if you assume we start with a clean slate every year. While that would be nice, there are a LOT of continuing programs and tax policies put into place by preceding governments that make cutting much more difficult.

Once people get accustomed to a government program, it's very difficult to get them to give it up.
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Where was USA Today during the Obama years? Now that interest rates are going up, the deficits will start looking even worse.

I completely agree with @AbaraXas , all is forgiven when there's an "R" after the name.

Are you kidding me @Night Hides Not   An R is the kiss of death to the media.  Why would you even say that?
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100% of the deficit happened on his watch.

Personally, I have always put most of the blame on spending where it belongs, on Congress.  But most people talk about how POTUS is responsible for the deficit (or GDP, or any other number of things that he is not), and in that context trumps owns ALL of our deficit.

That's just crazy talk. 
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That's just crazy talk.

Only if you don't know the difference between deficit and debt.
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Maybe he thinks he can just file Chapter 11 and get rid of all the debt that way.

That is EXACTLY what he thinks.
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You do the math. Which party would cost us less? Repubs or Dems? Looks like they're the only two viable political parties on the horizon...
I'll take the kool-aid laced with cyanide Tim.  You've convinced me neither party cares a spit for America.

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I'll take the kool-aid laced with cyanide Tim.  You've convinced me neither party cares a spit for America.

Republican's - We're less poison.

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Principled Conservatives have never stopped worrying about the deficit and spending

One thing principled conservatives are good at is worrying ---  about everything from what's happening in Washington to porn stars. 

Action, credibility and effectiveness are where they fall short.   :laugh:


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One thing principled conservatives are good at is worrying ---  about everything from what's happening in Washington to porn stars. 

Action, credibility and effectiveness are where they fall short.   :laugh:


@INVAR

@Right_in_Virginia , there are two things that Orange Brigadiers are good at: snark and personal attacks.

Truth, veracity, and leadership are just a few areas where they fall short.   :rolling:
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One thing principled conservatives are good at is worrying ---  about everything from what's happening in Washington to porn stars. 

Action, credibility and effectiveness are where they fall short.   :laugh:


@INVAR

Well that "porn star" that you were so unconcerned about has taken out Trump's personal attorney and is allowing the NY state prosecutor to dig through Trump's business accounts which is likely to do much more damage. All because Trump cut corners and liked doing porn stars and playboy bunnies cheating on his wives...

So in other words, that porn star has had real and serious consequences whether you acknowledge it or not.

We've gone from JFK doing movie stars to Trump doing porn stars... There's something to be proud of from our elected leaders... Winning!

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One thing principled conservatives are good at is worrying ---  about everything from what's happening in Washington to porn stars. 

Action, credibility and effectiveness are where they fall short.   :laugh:
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Character matters.

Stop worrying about Character DB.

They have told us - character is a LOSER.

Being an adulterous, narcissistic, lying scum who can bully leftists and those who are *not nice to him* into fits of rage is a WINNER!

Oh, and and stop worry about the debt and the deficits and all the trillions in spending.  It's all good because Trump got thumbs!
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It's amazing that the NTers here are suddenly worrying about the deficit and more amazing that they are attributing all of it to Trump when only a small fraction happened on his watch.

Not sure who these "NTers" are that you are referring to.  But I can assure you that NLers like myself have been screaming about deficits since junior high school.  And it galls me to no end to hear people on this forum make excuses for ever more borrow/print and spend.
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Not sure who these "NTers" are that you are referring to.  But I can assure you that NLers like myself have been screaming about deficits since junior high school.  And it galls me to no end to hear people on this forum make excuses for ever more borrow/print and spend.

Bump that!

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For the record, the trillion-dollar deficits started under Bush and the Democrat congress, then made worse by Obama before sequestration. They're not just Trump's, but he's not helping.

Nope.  Bush's last budget was $400 billion.  But the Democrat Congress only funded it from Oct 2008 to Feb 2009.  At which point they then passed a bill funding the remaining seven months (which President Obama signed), and at the end of the fiscal year, the massive deficit from those final seven months was attributed to Bush.
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