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If you can't beat him, drill him: Chickenfish pitcher
« on: August 16, 2018, 02:13:49 am »
By Yours Truly
https://throneberryfields.blogspot.com/2018/08/if-you-cant-beat-him-drill-him.html


The ball (lower right) hitting the ground
after nailing Acuna's elbow on the first
pitch of the bottom of the first
Wednesday night . . .


You thought Hunter Strickland drilling Bryce Harper over a three-year-old postseason bomb was abject stupidity? How about what Jose Urena did to Ronald Acuna, Jr. Wednesday night in Atlanta? Stupidity would be a compliment. Cowardly doesn't begin to cover it.

Acuna's been putting on a power show of late. Eight bombs in his past five games including three straight leading off including on Tuesday night. You don't necessarily blame a team for thinking the rook is a little too comfortable at the plate for his own good. But you don't try to break his elbow on the first pitch of the game, either.

Somebody forgot to advise Urena. Actually, it turns out Marlins manager Don Mattingly didn't forget. "What we said with Jose," Mattingly told MLB.com's Joe Frisaro, "is, 'I don't want to see this kid get hit.' He's a great player. He's going to be great for a long time. For us, he's beat us up, but this is not the way we want to handle that situation. Obviously, this is not something that we represent or believe in as an organization, or myself too. I would never want that kid getting hit and cause that kind of problem."

You get the Marlins being a little embarrassed that Acuna opened both ends of a Monday doubleheader long distance, then opened Tuesday night's festivities likewise. But you don't and shouldn't get Urena opening the bottom of the first by throwing a 97 mile an hour fastball right into Acuna's left elbow.

Acuna doubled over in pain, his bat tumbling out of his hand as he bent, and skipped several steps off to the left side before running a semi-circle back toward the third base line. Plate umpire Chad Fairchild bounded up from his post immediately. As he handed a fresh ball to Braves catcher Tyler Flowers, Acuna crossed the third base line and squatted in continuing pain. Then he got up in continuing agony.

The moment he did, the Braves began coming out of their dugout toward the mound area, led by manager Brian Snitker himself. Only when a mass of Braves arrived in Chickenfish Urena's direction did the Marlins come out of their dugout. There was a little shoving here and a little bumping there but nothing turned into a brawl just yet.

But as the mass meeting seemed to start dissipating, Snitker started bellowing at the umpires, presumably demanding Urena's ejection, if not his on-site execution, for such despicability. Then the dugouts rejoined and the bullpens emptied. Only then did the umps throw the Chickenfish out of the game while handing warnings to both sides.

So the Marlins got away with injuring the Braves' rookie leadoff pain, costing them his services for who knows how long, an absence the Braves---who surged somewhat unexpectedly this year and now sit two games up on the Phillies as they lead the National League East---can't afford now.

On what grounds did the umps further decide to eject Snitker, though? If you can get thrown out of a game for demanding the purge of a pitcher who opened your half of the first inning by drilling your white-hot leadoff bombardier, there's something amiss, and the arbiters are missing it.

"If you're Marlins starter Jose Urena, facing the Braves tonight," fumed Deadspin's Lauren Thiesen, "you can either take Acuna's recent success as an exciting challenge to your own skills, or you could take the scoundrel's way out and deny him a chance to beat you with the long ball."

This wasn't anything like the Mets' Noah Syndergaard dropping the Royals' Alcides Escobar to open Game Three of the 2015 World Series, when Escobar had been a little too comfortable at the plate before. Syndergaard only wanted to knock him down. He wasn't looking to make Escobar headless or leave him with broken bones.

Urena must have hungered to make or join his own history. He became the fourth pitcher in the live ball era to hit the only batter he faced to start a game. The extinguished company he joins: Bob Shaw (Giants, 1965); Scott Elarton (Astros, 2001); and, John Lackey (Angels, 2009).

The first player to open three straight with bombs since Brady Anderson in 1996, and the youngest ever to go long in five straight at any time, Acuna finally took his base and stayed in the game. He stayed in long enough to point to the Braves' dugout from his left field post while still flexing his left arm. How badly he's injured and how long the Braves have to live without him is anyone's guess at this writing.

Since Mattingly did advise his pitcher not to try any rough stuff before Urena went and did just that, Urena should be punished on two sides. The Marlins would send a big message, to the Braves and elsewhere, if they suspend him. And baseball government ought to do likewise and then some. A ten-start suspension ought to work just right. The Fish aren't going anywhere this season. They can afford to dock him and give someone else a look over the same period. Someone who isn't liable to disregard the skipper's advice about cooling off a hot hitter.

If Urena thought Acuna was getting too comfortable at the plate, why didn't his fellow pitchers just zip him inside and tight Tuesday night after he hit the first pitch he saw in the bottom of the first over the left field fence? He batted four more times in that game, and on the fourth trip to the plate, with two aboard, he ripped the first pitch he saw in that at-bat over the right field fence? You want to remind him not to get too comfortable at the plate, you had four more chances. You didn't take them. He finally made you pay.

So he stepped in to lead off for the Braves in the bottom of the first Wednesday night. And took one off his elbow that not even Stevie Wonder would say couldn't be seen as intentional and with malice aforethought. You can only imagine who was thinking what when ESPN Stats & Info disclosed that it was the fastest pitch with which Urena has opened any start this year.

Chickenfish Urena probably didn't love the idea of being Acuna's prospective fourth straight game-opening bombing victim, but we're betting Acuna didn't love the idea of possibly getting his elbow cracked because the pitcher wanted to run home to Mommy over the thought of, you know, actually pitching to him.

The Braves have four more games to play against the Marlins this year, starting next Thursday night in Miami. Personally, I hope the first Marlins batter of the set gets knocked on his ass. I'm not normally in favour of beanball wars, most of which get started because a pitcher's ego got sent into the seats with a meal and a stewardess on board. But that would be one nobody in baseball with eyes and a brain would call unjustified.
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Re: If you can't beat him, drill him: Chickenfish pitcher
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2018, 02:21:28 am »
Suppose to be an article on the Dodgers/Giants brawl.

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Re: If you can't beat him, drill him: Chickenfish pitcher
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2018, 02:34:30 am »
Good article, @EasyAce

That was just shameful.

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Re: If you can't beat him, drill him: Chickenfish pitcher
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2018, 02:47:30 am »
Suppose to be an article on the Dodgers/Giants brawl.
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Says who? ;)

The Dodger/Giant brawl was a beef between a batter and a catcher, said catcher having barked when said batter got frustrated over fouling off a pitch he normally loves to hit. A hit batsman wasn't even an issue in that.

What Chickenfish Urena did drilling Acuna on the first pitch of the bottom of the first is way worse.


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Re: If you can't beat him, drill him: Chickenfish pitcher
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2018, 08:26:43 am »
Jesus H. Christ, guyz.....what did you expect to happen to him?

Of course, he was going to get plunked.  Eight HRs in 5 games?   I would have put it in his ear hole.

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Re: If you can't beat him, drill him: Chickenfish pitcher
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2018, 08:41:27 am »
I don't know why people continue to support this garbage. 
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Re: If you can't beat him, drill him: Chickenfish pitcher
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2018, 09:14:40 am »
@TomSea
Says who? ;)

The Dodger/Giant brawl was a beef between a batter and a catcher, said catcher having barked when said batter got frustrated over fouling off a pitch he normally loves to hit. A hit batsman wasn't even an issue in that.

What Chickenfish Urena did drilling Acuna on the first pitch of the bottom of the first is way worse.

Disagree.

IMO, it would have been "worse" if it had happened on any other pitch.

A hitter can 'own' only one-half of the plate.   It's impossible to cover the entire plate.

If he's crowding the plate to reach the out half....he's going down.   ESPECIALLY after hitting 8 in 5 games.  ESPECIALLY if he's leading off.

Sets tone for entire game.

I'm glad Atlanta won the game.  And my NATS need to catch them.  (Good luck with that)
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Re: If you can't beat him, drill him: Chickenfish pitcher
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2018, 04:37:44 pm »
Disagree.

IMO, it would have been "worse" if it had happened on any other pitch.

A hitter can 'own' only one-half of the plate.   It's impossible to cover the entire plate.

If he's crowding the plate to reach the out half....he's going down.   ESPECIALLY after hitting 8 in 5 games.  ESPECIALLY if he's leading off.

Sets tone for entire game.

I'm glad Atlanta won the game.  And my NATS need to catch them.  (Good luck with that)
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There's only one factor missing there---I saw the pitch and several replays of it. Acuna wasn't even close to crowding the plate. His front foot was in the middle of the front of the batter's box; his back foot was about six or seven inches away from the inner box chalk.

I also saw Marlins catcher J.T. Realmuto set up for a proper inside and tight pitch, holding his glove target just off the inner edge of the plate.

It looks like Urena acted as much on his own in trying not just to push Acuna back off a plate he wasn't exactly crowding as did Hunter Strickland in being stupid enough to hit Bryce Harper over a three-year-old pair of postseason homers. You might have noticed, too, that the Braves came out of their dugout a lot quicker than the Marlins did. And if you doubted intent any further---intent not just to move a hitter back off a plate he wasn't crowding in the first place but to injure him and take him out of the game---you had only to see Urena throw his glove down to the ground as Braves manager Brian Snitker and a few of his players got close enough to Urena at the mound area. As if throwing the single fastest pitch he'd thrown on the season to date wasn't enough indication of intent.

I don't think it would have been "worse" on any other pitch. After Acuna led off Tuesday night with a bomb, the Marlins' pitchers had several chances to send him a message without trying to injure him if they thought he really was crowding the plate.

The morning update: Acuna's CT scan showed normal on his elbow, meaning no deeper damage, but the Braves are listing him day to day. They're also convinced Urena acted entirely on his own.

I know that wasn't the Marlins. That was just Jose Urena. I don't understand it. Makes no sense. Just because a player is having fun playing the game, swinging the bat incredibly well obviously, that just makes no sense. That was incredibly classless on Jose Urena's part.---Braves first baseman Freddie Freeman.

Know why Urena's drawing opprobrium but Noah Syndergaard didn't when he knocked Alcides Escobar down to open Game Three of the 2015 World Series? It's easy: Escobar was crowding the plate in the first two Series games, but Syndergaard never thought once about trying to injure him. He threw a well-aimed, well-time fastball upstairs and in, just enough to send the message. If the Royals really thought Syndergaard was trying to decapitate their man they'd have done a lot more than just barking over the edge of the dugout rail.



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Re: If you can't beat him, drill him: Chickenfish pitcher
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2018, 04:47:37 pm »
They would have really hated baseball when the likes of Ty Cobb played.

Nasty, nasty game,   chin music has always been a part of the game.  Just like fighting in hockey.

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2018, 05:08:43 pm »
They would have really hated baseball when the likes of Ty Cobb played.

Nasty, nasty game,   chin music has always been a part of the game.  Just like fighting in hockey.

In hockey, two men stand toe to toe and have at each other.

In baseball, a little girl picks up a hard object and hurls it at someone else with the intention of hurting him, usually because she was bad at her job and he was good at his weeks or months earlier.  It's not a fight, it's aggravated assault.  And cowardly at that. 
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2018, 05:33:57 pm »

There's only one factor missing there---I saw the pitch and several replays of it. Acuna wasn't even close to crowding the plate. His front foot was in the middle of the front of the batter's box; his back foot was about six or seven inches away from the inner box chalk.

I also saw Marlins catcher J.T. Realmuto set up for a proper inside and tight pitch, holding his glove target just off the inner edge of the plate.


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Re: If you can't beat him, drill him: Chickenfish pitcher
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2018, 06:15:14 pm »
This kind of senseless stuff has been going on for a while. If a rookie hits a walk-off grand slam, it's expected for him to be a bit excited. That's no reason to plunk him later. If a guy is hitting well, that's no reason to send him down. If he's crowding the plate, he usually "hits himself" (Bob Gibson's term). You get hit for stealing signs and for retribution.
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Re: If you can't beat him, drill him: Chickenfish pitcher
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2018, 06:52:12 pm »
Throwing at the next batter after a home run has been part of baseball since they started whacking them in large numbers after the end of the dead ball era.
I remember a story about Dizzy Dean throwing at batters after someone hit a homer off of him.
That was a regular thing in baseball for many decades that after someone hit a home run, the next batter was liable to get plunked.
And after one player got plunked, some teams would have a batter bunt down the first base line and "accidentally" run into the plunking pitcher. They used to have a lot more brawls in those days.