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US Reactivates Second Fleet to Counter Growing Chinese, Russian Activity in the Atlantic
Glynn Cosker

This article originally appeared on In Military.

By David E. Hubler
Contributor, In Homeland Security

Chinese military vessels are now operating in the Northern Atlantic Ocean, the U.S. Navy’s top admiral told the Voice of America in a recent exclusive interview. At the same time, “Russian submarines are prowling those same waters at a pace not seen since the end of the Cold War,” Chief of Staff of Naval Operations Admiral John Richardson said.

Richardson called China’s military movements from the North Atlantic to the Mediterranean “a new dynamic” that makes the Chinese navy a global force “ready and capable” of operating wherever Beijing wants it to go.

“In terms of a naval threat to the U.S.,” Richardson called the Chinese navy “a pacing competition” seeking parity with the U.S. Navy.

Read more at: https://inhomelandsecurity.com/us-second-fleet/
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Not good. The advantage we've always had over China so far has been the ability to project force, while they have not. Looks like that's over.
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China in the North Atlantic? That's surprising but I guess if it was said in the interview, it was.

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-navys-top-admiral-cites-increased-threat-in-ocean-nearest-washington/4515353.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=today-at-voa-t46&utm_source=archives&utm_content=2018-08-06

An answer to us being so widespread?
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In 1853, Com. Matthew Perry opened the eyes of Japan,
who instantly looked westward and saw Britain, a similar
Island nation/state w/the greatest Empire in the world.
They reacted immediately and within 50 years were but
a stride behind Britain.
In 1904 the Russians decided to teach Japan a lesson,
sending their Grand Fleet into the Pacific. That year in the
Strait of Tsushima, Japan sank the entire Russian Fleet
including 13 Dreadnoughts and their crews. So much for lessons.
Moral of the story is simple. Japan was and remains the militarily
and economic power on the Pacific Rim, not Russia nor China.
And since we remain superior to both; there is no need to re-invent
the wheel here.

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In 1853, Com. Matthew Perry opened the eyes of Japan,
who instantly looked westward and saw Britain, a similar
Island nation/state w/the greatest Empire in the world.
They reacted immediately and within 50 years were but
a stride behind Britain.
In 1904 the Russians decided to teach Japan a lesson,
sending their Grand Fleet into the Pacific. That year in the
Strait of Tsushima, Japan sank the entire Russian Fleet
including 13 Dreadnoughts and their crews. So much for lessons.
Moral of the story is simple. Japan was and remains the militarily
and economic power on the Pacific Rim, not Russia nor China.
And since we remain superior to both; there is no need to re-invent
the wheel here.

Japan "Navy" is not the same post WW2 when they were forced to disarm.  They do not have Aircraft Carriers but a few helicopter equipped destroyers.  They will likely convert some of these to use the F35B but have not done so yet.
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China in the North Atlantic? That's surprising but I guess if it was said in the interview, it was.
An answer to us being so widespread?
@TomSea

That is what brought down the Roman Empire.  They conquered so many lands, they didn't have enough military to control them, and the people in the conquered lands revolted and that was the end of the Empire.

I have been on Roman streets in old Corinth, Greece.  Their tile water system is still there, going through the town.  The Romans had Greece.  Apostle Paul lived in Corinth for several years.  It was a strange feeling to be walking in Corinth where Paul walked.
I have been to the Roman baths in Bath, England.  It is an amazing place as it is functional.  Roman roads are still able to be seen there and other places in England.  The Romans were master road makers.  The Romans had England.

We aren't trying to conquer any lands, but we are trying to influence what happens in countries and we have our military in many foreign lands.  I will look that up, where our military is in the entire world.  Can we keep that up or are we spread too thin as you say?

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@TomSea

Here it is:

"U.S. military personnel by country
The United States has active duty military troops stationed in nearly 150 countries. The table below details how many troops are in each country as of September 30, 2011, according to the U.S. Department of Defense." 
This says it is 1 search of 6 but I see no way to get more of this:

Search :
1 of 6
Country   Total   Army   Navy   Marine corps   Air force
United States and Territories 1,138,044  497,595    213,035  151,806   275,608
Albania   8   1   1   5   1
Austria   18   3   0   12   3
Belgium   1205   644   102   29   430
Bosnia and Herzegovina   9   1   0   6   2
Bulgaria   14   3   2   5   4
Croatia   12   3   1   8   0
Cyprus   12   2   0   0   10
Czech Republic   15   4   0   8   3
Denmark   16   2   4   6   4
Estonia   7   1   2   4   0
Finland   13   2   2   6   3
France   68   20   9   14   25
Germany   53766   38360   489   407   14510
Gibraltar   5   0   5   0   0
Greece   382   10   327   9   36
Greenland   142   0   0   0   142
Hungary   62   5   0   5   52
Ireland   8   1   1   6   0
Italy   10801   3174   3198   249   4180
Latvia   7   0   0   7   0
Lithuania   6   1   1   4   0
Luxembourg   6   0   0   6   0
Macedonia   12   4   0   5   3
Malta   9   1   1   7   0
Netherlands   405   183   15   14   193
Note: Counts do not include Navy or Marine Corps personnel at sea.
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Japan "Navy" is not the same post WW2 when they were forced to disarm.  They do not have Aircraft Carriers but a few helicopter equipped destroyers.  They will likely convert some of these to use the F35B but have not done so yet.
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Your assertion is correct; however unstated but implied
in my earlier comment is that Japan is fully capable of
re-invigorating it's Navy, given what it achieved in the
19th century after centuries of slumber.