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A Winning President is Better Than a Presidential President
« on: August 09, 2018, 11:59:47 am »
A Winning President is Better Than a Presidential President
American Greatness, Aug 9, 2018, Glenn Ellmers

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Historians can debate whether Trump is indeed a genius playing 3D chess, or instead just a very lucky blowhard who lurches from one victory to the next. But it’s hard not be impressed by three really daring strategies that represent what Machiavelli might have called “new modes and orders” in American politics. These original and unorthodox techniques could not have been pulled off—indeed would never have been conceived—by any of the more conventional candidates. In Trump-like fashion we can use three bold, exclamatory phrases to describe these strategies:

Stuff it! Every presidential candidate claims to run against “the Establishment.” So what? Trump ran as the anti-expert. Big difference. Most people aren’t really sure what “the Establishment” is anyway.   [...]   Trump capitalizes on this brilliantly. He fumbles and bumbles and brags and often seems to get mixed up as he talks. But no one cares, because even if his phrasing is sometimes inelegant, he will boldly say things  that no one else dares to utter. What he lacks in eloquence, he makes up for in moral clarity. He means what he says. He talks like a bartender not a banker or a lawyer. He may not be right all the time, but he’s honest and blunt and, and thinks for himself. We know where he stands on the issues. Holy cow! Imagine that.   [...]

Flaunt it! Trump is not an expert, because experts are stuffy bores who live a disgusting, parasitic existence telling people what to do: consultants, economists, professors, financial advisors, journalists, etc. Trump is an entrepreneur and a tycoon. He doesn’t “consult.” He is successful, and he wants everyone to know it. He made his money building things, not just running his mouth.   [...]     Trump is jamming down on the plunger with his big gold watch and poofy hair. And a lot people love it (some secretly). Again, no one else would have taken this approach. Indeed, any other Republican politician would have been horrified, and many still are. That’s why they aren’t in the White House.

Bring it! This is the biggest stroke of genius of all. In chucking the bullshit respectability of fake expertise and false modesty, [...]
 
Trump is willing to be unpresidential to win. He is willing to use what Machiavelli called the beastly arts—the virtues of the lion and especially the fox, which is expert in spotting traps. By implication, this includes setting traps—one of Trump’s great gifts. A politician who uses the way of the fox is willing to “stoop to conquer.” Again, this makes him unique among Republicans, who generally care more about themselves—their meretricious dignity and prestige—than they do about their country. But a winning president is better than a presidential president. That’s one lesson his rivals still don’t understand.

And it’s why he will keep winning.


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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2018, 12:01:59 pm »
MAGA!!   :patriot:
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2018, 03:01:47 pm »
A Winning President is Better Than a Presidential President
By Glenn Ellmers| August 9th, 2018

Donald Trump never studied political philosophy; and for that those of us who have might say, “Thank God.”  For one thing he would have been bored, and for another, if he had picked up any ideas from the effort, they more than likely would have been the wrong ones. More important, he didn’t need to read books by Niccolo Machiavelli and Xenophon, in order to demonstrate the instincts  of boldness and cleverness that those authors observed and explained.

Reading the classic texts makes one marvel at how crafty and ambitious men, like the Persian emperor Cyrus the Younger, deployed breathtaking ingenuity to take power; in Cyrus’s case, even altering the political structure of his empire. Today scholars tend to assume that those wild days are long behind us because the American Constitution established a stable, well-regulated, and predictable system—which is almost always what we want. Almost. Sometimes, however, the system gets gummed up and needs someone a bit reckless and a bit crazy to kick things loose. This is where Trump’s natural instincts as a clever political animal have proven to be a kind of divine dispensation.

Historians can debate whether Trump is indeed a genius playing 3D chess, or instead just a very lucky blowhard who lurches from one victory to the next. But it’s hard not be impressed by three really daring strategies that represent what Machiavelli might have called “new modes and orders” in American politics. These original and unorthodox techniques could not have been pulled off—indeed would never have been conceived—by any of the more conventional candidates. In Trump-like fashion we can use three bold, exclamatory phrases to describe these strategies:

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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2018, 03:28:49 pm »
MAGA!!!   

LOL!   Hey guyz...why ya'll trying to start a fight?

It's not even Kurt Schlicter.   

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Re: A Winning President is Better Than a Presidential President
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2018, 03:43:10 pm »
The President is "winning" in terms of policy victories and the economy's booming performance.    But in November the question is whether he will be able to retain his Congressional majorities.   And in the words of this morning's WSJ lead editorial "The President's persona is trumping positive policy results among voters, and without some intervening news or a change in strategy the result is likely to be a national left turn."

Republicans need to wake up and recognize the dire jeopardy both the party and the President are in.   The loss of the House will end the President's policy victories (certainly the conservative ones) and turn the next two years into an impeachment circus. 

THE PRESIDENT IS TO BLAME FOR THIS.  He has had close to two years to govern in a Presidential manner,  and he's gotten away with his reality-show antics only because neither he nor his party has yet had to face the voters. 

 
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2018, 03:45:18 pm »
We have our first contestant Johnny.  Tell Jazz what he is play for today.
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2018, 03:53:30 pm »
We have our first contestant Johnny.  Tell Jazz what he is play for today.

Kind of hard to govern when you're always playing to your base of 35%. He doesn't have Hillary as his foil this time around, which will keep many that grudgingly voted for him last time, the independents mostly.

We're playing for nothing, Johnny...rather, we're all being played.
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The President is "winning" in terms of policy victories and the economy's booming performance.    But in November the question is whether he will be able to retain his Congressional majorities.   And in the words of this morning's WSJ lead editorial "The President's persona is trumping positive policy results among voters, and without some intervening news or a change in strategy the result is likely to be a national left turn."

Republicans need to wake up and recognize the dire jeopardy both the party and the President are in.   The loss of the House will end the President's policy victories (certainly the conservative ones) and turn the next two years into an impeachment circus. 

THE PRESIDENT IS TO BLAME FOR THIS.  He has had close to two years to govern in a Presidential manner,  and he's gotten away with his reality-show antics only because neither him nor his party has yet had to face the voters. 

 

Oh, that's nonsense.

If the Democrats grab the majority, buy gold.  The stock market will crash immediately. 

And so long as he has a Twitter account,  it won't matter if the if Jesus H. Christ is heading the Democrat ticket, Pres. Trump wins in a landslide.
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Re: A Winning President is Better Than a Presidential President
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2018, 03:59:47 pm »
Oh, that's nonsense.

If the Democrats grab the majority, buy gold.  The stock market will crash immediately. 

And so long as he has a Twitter account,  it won't matter if the if Jesus H. Christ is heading the Democrat ticket, Pres. Trump wins in a landslide.

Historical evidence shows that the stock market does marginally better under Dem Presidents than Rep presidents. I suspect it's because interest rates are lower under Dem administrations, as the economy does worse. Financial markets prefer lower interest rates, better for stocks as an investment.

There may be a correction, one that's overdue, but a crash? Not likely. Just my opinion, as one who lived through Black Monday in 1987, when Reagan was in the White House.
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Re: A Winning President is Better Than a Presidential President
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2018, 04:01:47 pm »
We have our first contestant Johnny.  Tell Jazz what he is play for today.


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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2018, 04:04:34 pm »
Historical evidence shows that the stock market does marginally better under Dem Presidents than Rep presidents. I suspect it's because interest rates are lower under Dem administrations, as the economy does worse. Financial markets prefer lower interest rates, better for stocks as an investment.

There may be a correction, one that's overdue, but a crash? Not likely. Just my opinion, as one who lived through Black Monday in 1987, when Reagan was in the White House.

You bet!  Money was 'free' for the entire 8 years of Obama.

Plus, the Fed injected $87Billion with a B,... MONTHLY, into Wall Street. 

How else to explain a 'thriving' stock market in a piss-poor 1.5% GDP world?    :shrug:
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Re: A Winning President is Better Than a Presidential President
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2018, 04:09:15 pm »
A Winning President is Better Than a Presidential President

Make sure to memorize that stupid proverb and remember it's value when something worse than Hildabeast and Obama are in the White House and 'winning'.

It's just another way of saying that the ends justifies whatever means are employed to achieve the ends.
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Re: A Winning President is Better Than a Presidential President
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2018, 04:09:28 pm »
You bet!  Money was 'free' for the entire 8 years of Obama.

Plus, the Fed injected $87Billion with a B,... MONTHLY, into Wall Street. 

How else to explain a 'thriving' stock market in a piss-poor 1.5% GDP world?    :shrug:

No disagreement from me, you're absolutely right. Trump lowering taxes was the right thing to do. Unfortunately, the mantra is those cuts "pay for themselves". We're still racking up trillion dollar deficits, and the bill will come due.
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2018, 04:40:38 pm »
Oh, that's nonsense.

If the Democrats grab the majority, buy gold.  The stock market will crash immediately. 

And so long as he has a Twitter account,  it won't matter if the if Jesus H. Christ is heading the Democrat ticket, Pres. Trump wins in a landslide.

Believe what you will, DC.   I'd rather be realistic and do what's needed to stem the coming blue wave.   

And besides, that fawning Trump-as-idiot-savant article is a total eye-roller.  *****rollingeyes*****  If the Dems take the House, look for Trump to change his spots to save his arse.   Conservative policies will be replaced by compromises with Pelosi and Company.   The art of the deal, doncha know.   
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2018, 12:17:57 am »
"Flaunt it"   "Bring it"

I don't know, this is sounding like some kind of Trump fanfic.  I'm vaguely uncomfortable right now.

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Re: A Winning President is Better Than a Presidential President
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2018, 12:26:59 am »
THE PRESIDENT IS TO BLAME FOR THIS.  He has had close to two years to govern in a Presidential manner,  and he's gotten away with his reality-show antics only because neither he nor his party has yet had to face the voters. 

Are you suggesting that the democrats are going to impeach the President because he hasn't acted "Presidential"?

Were you high when you posted this @Jazzhead

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Re: A Winning President is Better Than a Presidential President
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2018, 12:58:17 am »
"Flaunt it"   "Bring it"

I don't know, this is sounding like some kind of Trump fanfic.  I'm vaguely uncomfortable right now.

Guenevere at TOS would probably approve.



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Re: A Winning President is Better Than a Presidential President
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2018, 01:07:25 am »
"Flaunt it"   "Bring it"

I don't know, this is sounding like some kind of Trump fanfic.  I'm vaguely uncomfortable right now.

Guenevere at TOS would probably approve.

Heck, everyone at TOS would probably approve...MAGA!!!  :rolling:

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