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States fight Trump on non-ObamaCare health plans
« on: August 13, 2018, 12:23:02 am »
States fight Trump on non-ObamaCare health plans

By Nathaniel Weixel - 08/12/18 08:07 PM EDT


  The Trump administration's new policy of expanding the sale of “short-term” insurance plans as a cheaper alternative to ObamaCare is quickly running into opposition from state regulators.

The Department of Health and Human Services is urging states to cooperate with the federal government, but instead, insurance commissioners are panning the new plans as "junk” insurance and state legislatures are putting restrictions on their sales.

State insurance officials argue that, despite being less expensive than ObamaCare plans, the short-term plans are bad for consumers and aren't an adequate substitute for comprehensive insurance.

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http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/401351-states-fight-trump-on-non-obamacare-health-plans
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Re: States fight Trump on non-ObamaCare health plans
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2018, 12:33:41 am »
States fight Trump on non-ObamaCare health plans

By Nathaniel Weixel - 08/12/18 08:07 PM EDT


  The Trump administration's new policy of expanding the sale of “short-term” insurance plans as a cheaper alternative to ObamaCare is quickly running into opposition from state regulators.

The Department of Health and Human Services is urging states to cooperate with the federal government, but instead, insurance commissioners are panning the new plans as "junk” insurance and state legislatures are putting restrictions on their sales.

State insurance officials argue that, despite being less expensive than ObamaCare plans, the short-term plans are bad for consumers and aren't an adequate substitute for comprehensive insurance.

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http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/401351-states-fight-trump-on-non-obamacare-health-plans

Translation:   We elitists in government don't give a rat's rear end what the little people (the taxpayers that pay our salaries) want.  We're going to impose those higher costs (like the Obama Democrats did) on them ANYWAY.

Screw them.  We need a real damned revolution.   And perhaps....

heads should roll a la French-style.

« Last Edit: August 13, 2018, 12:34:12 am by XenaLee »
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Re: States fight Trump on non-ObamaCare health plans
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2018, 12:38:37 am »
This sums up the meltdown at eht (some) State level:

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“There are so many things those plans don’t have to do or cover, " said Altman.

"So on their face, these plans are not comparable to [ObamaCare] compliant plans.”

I never wanted an Obamacare compliant plan. There is an awful lot in those plans I definitely do not and will not need.
What I don't need is a bill for 28K a year for coverage I will NEVER use because it is medically not possible to need.

 In addition to pay for the preexisting conditions of others whose lifestyles may involve far more dangerous choices than any I have made*, which puts a burden on the pool for the medical costs of those who caught a bug which will inevitably consume between 500K and 750K in treatment for their really high risk 'choices'.

Well, I don't need any of that. I HAD a plan which would take care of the big stuff, injury or medical disaster, and I took care of the little stuff myself. It fit MY needs, but Obamacare got rid of that.

*I only rock climbed, spelunked, rode motorcycles for decades without a helmet, drove fast, worked construction and on oil rigs, smoked tobacco for 35 years, and drank my lifetime beer ration early (so I quit both)
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Re: States fight Trump on non-ObamaCare health plans
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2018, 12:55:02 am »
Translation:   We elitists in government don't give a rat's rear end what the little people (the taxpayers that pay our salaries) want.  We're going to impose those higher costs (like the Obama Democrats did) on them ANYWAY.

Screw them.  We need a real damned revolution.   And perhaps....

heads should roll a la French-style.


Choice? You want options? Ha! You'll take your Obamacare and you'll like it.


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Re: States fight Trump on non-ObamaCare health plans
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2018, 12:56:35 am »
  That's what I got too @Smokin Joe

  Pre Existing Conditions for low income people have already pretty much been absorbed into Medicare/Medicaid, good or bad. 
  Why make some person pay for birth control unless of course he/she goes up against some of the Regulars here.

FTA:

Earlier this month, the administration finalized rules that would allow people to buy short-term health insurance for up to 12 months, lifting restrictions from the Obama administration limiting such plans from offering coverage for more than three months. The plans would also be renewable.

The short-term plans don’t need to meet ObamaCare’s consumer protections, so they would potentially be much cheaper than a traditional plan. Administration officials say the short-term plans will be as much as 50 to 80 percent cheaper than ObamaCare plans.

But the tradeoff is that people with pre-existing conditions can be charged more. In addition, the plans to do not have to comply with ObamaCare mandates for covering certain services, such as mental health treatment, maternity care or prescription drugs.

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Re: States fight Trump on non-ObamaCare health plans
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2018, 12:59:58 am »

Choice? You want options? Ha! You'll take your Obamacare and you'll like it.

No I won't.

They over-reached, as usual.   Me and millions of other just-as-stubborn Americans will have to school them.  And that lesson just might end up being hazardous to their health.

When the dust settles, we should make it set-in-stone law that Congress shall make no law that does not equally apply to them (no more golden umbrella benefits for ""special"" people... while they, the elitists, force us to grovel and suffer under their BS legislation).


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Re: States fight Trump on non-ObamaCare health plans
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2018, 01:12:29 am »
@corbe

The first thing I thought was that there is a huge concentration of the GiBLeTQxyz crowd in D.C. (highest, percentage-wise, in the country, which may be where that "10%" stuff kept coming up), and bath-house Bammy may have been seriously 'down' with that bunch.
Risk assessors for insurance companies had been doing blood tests on some of the people they were considering insuring for years, whether to check for liver enzymes, AIDS, or other diseases, before they would insure them, aside from employee plans. Especially behaviours connected with AIDS would be a red flag for underwriter, because the possibility in that risk group of having to pick up the tab for hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of medical care was so high. It is my firm belief that the preexisting conditions clauses were written, not for kids with oddball lethal diseases (Shriner's or St Jude's come to mind, and other pediatric care programs which offer relief for families which face those problems) , but were written in for the Homosexuals and other deviant communities who have a seriously high probability of catching something expensive.
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Re: States fight Trump on non-ObamaCare health plans
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2018, 01:14:08 am »
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The short-term plans don’t need to meet ObamaCare’s consumer protections, so they would potentially be much cheaper than a traditional plan. Administration officials say the short-term plans will be as much as 50 to 80 percent cheaper than ObamaCare plans.




ObamaCare plans are now traditional?

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Re: States fight Trump on non-ObamaCare health plans
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2018, 01:17:55 am »


ObamaCare plans are now traditional?
They are for twenty somethings....
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis