'Boy or girl?' Parents raising 'theybies' let kids decide

[musiclady]

I hate to admit it, but he's got a point.

Until he lost it.

[XenaLee]

And who made you Pope?   

I understand you'd be more comfortable if I was just another atheist dumping on God and Christ.  To the contrary,  I am a man of faith who is disillusioned by the message that the Bible justifies arbitrary cruelty and bigotry.   The word "perverts"  and other vile epithets fly freely on this board,  and those words come from the mouths of Christians who ought to know better about Christ's message of empathy.
 

Jesus Christ's message to sinners was always.... go and sin no more.   What part of that are you not bright enough.... or perhaps too leftist .... to comprehend?   The empathy stops where the sinner refuses to stop sinning.  (duh)

[Axeslinger]

YAY!!!!  I found another thread where JH tells us what an amazing, top notch conservative he is and then proceeds to spout nothing but leftist claptrap!  No day is complete without more of this inanity!

[XenaLee]

I hate to admit it, but he's got a point.

Leftie trolls don't have points.... except on the top of their heads.  JS.....

[Axeslinger]

No, I've never heard or seen that.

Give it time @Sanguine , give it time

[Mod5]

This is not a religious thread.  Please stick to the topic.

[Smokin Joe]

Unauthorized crossing of the border is an illegal misdemeanor.  That's simply a fact.  Reasonable minds can differ regarding the ultimate penalty for such misdemeanor - I would put much stock in what the individual did or didn't do after he crosses the border.  It is madness to incarcerate 12 million people for the "criminal" act of coming here in search of a job.   

Well, I agree with that. Just ship their asses home.

[txradioguy]

It is madness to incarcerate 12 million people for the "criminal" act of coming here in search of a job.   

And it's complete ignorance if you honestly believe all of those 12 million people are here in search of a job.

[Bigun]

And it's complete ignorance if you honestly believe all of those 12 million people are here in search of a job.

And even greater madness to believe it's only 12 million.

[txradioguy]

And even greater madness to believe it's only 12 million.

Very true.

[INVAR]

And who made you Pope?   
To the contrary,  I am a man of faith who is disillusioned by the message that the Bible justifies arbitrary cruelty and bigotry.   The word "perverts"  and other vile epithets fly freely on this board,  and those words come from the mouths of Christians who ought to know better about Christ's message of empathy.
 

"Go and sin no more" was a command, not a suggestion.   It was given to save the adulterous woman's life literally and spiritually.

How demonic that would you declare Christ as not having empathy for condemning men who pervert the law of God for their own wicked desires and ends:

“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to sheol?  Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your churches and pursue from town to town. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar." - Matthew 23:33-35

You snakes! You brood of vipers! "Vile epithets" that Jesus Himself proclaimed in the Aramaic language written down in Greek.  He called them what they were.

And I call you, what you are, based on the words you have written and the vile behaviors you advocate for as 'righteous' and 'moral'.

"So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven". - Matthew 5:19

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God". - I Corinthians 6:9-10


There is an eternal death penalty for practicing the very behaviors YOU are telling people here are good and moral.  You have zero clue the condemnation you are heaping upon yourself that will come due on the Day of Judgment for yourself.

[Smokin Joe]

No, we are all born with original sin.  That is part of what we are.

Yep. But Original Sin was a choice to give in to temptation and go against the express command of God.

Eating of the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil.

Sex wasn't mentioned. They didn't even know they were naked until after they ate.

[Smokin Joe]

Jesus Christ's message to sinners was always.... go and sin no more.   What part of that are you not bright enough.... or perhaps too leftist .... to comprehend?   The empathy stops where the sinner refuses to stop sinning.  (duh)

If a person refuses to admit their sin is sin, they can't ever repent. That forgiveness involves repentance. By asserting that which is sin, and even specifically mentioned as abomination, is not sin, then the opportunity for repentance is removed, and with it the opportunity for forgiveness.

Precluding the very basic process by which all can be forgiven by asserting 'that nothing is wrong with that' is about as far from Christian as it gets. Those who make such assertions stand directly between the sinner and redemption.

[XenaLee]

If a person refuses to admit their sin is sin, they can't ever repent. That forgiveness involves repentance. By asserting that which is sin, and even specifically mentioned as abomination, is not sin, then the opportunity for repentance is removed, and with it the opportunity for forgiveness.

Precluding the very basic process by which all can be forgiven by asserting 'that nothing is wrong with that' is about as far from Christian as it gets. Those who make such assertions stand directly between the sinner and redemption.

 

[Sanguine]

Yep. But Original Sin was a choice to give in to temptation and go against the express command of God.

Eating of the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil.

Sex wasn't mentioned. They didn't even know they were naked until after they ate.

Original sin was to follow one's own desires and not God's will.  Can you think of any sin that doesn't fall into that category?

[Jazzhead]

"Go and sin no more" was a command, not a suggestion.   It was given to save the adulterous woman's life literally and spiritually.

How demonic that would you declare Christ as not having empathy for condemning men who pervert the law of God for their own wicked desires and ends

Adultery is sinful behavior.  It is the deliberate breaking of a solemn vow.   Marrying and remaining faithful to the partner one loves is not.  That you would label me "demonic" for suggesting such a thing just shows the cruelty at the heart of your brand of "Christianity".   My neighbors are neither perverts nor have "wicked desires", and it is you that has perverted and made hateful the message of Christ.   

[mountaineer]

God didn't say "the partner one loves." God defined marriage as man and woman.  You're just inventing your own scripture.

[Jazzhead]

If a person refuses to admit their sin is sin, they can't ever repent.

That is correct.  But you would have me believe that sin is cruel and arbitrary,  and that a homosexual can never avoid sin even within the bounds of faithful marriage.   

No.  That cannot be the will of God.   

[Sanguine]

Adultery is sinful behavior.  It is the deliberate breaking of a solemn vow.   Marrying and remaining faithful to the partner one loves is not.  That you would label me "demonic" for suggesting such a thing just shows the cruelty at the heart of your brand of "Christianity".   My neighbors are neither perverts nor have "wicked desires", and it is you that has perverted and made hateful the message of Christ.

Jazz, marriage is to form the basic human unit, and a big part of that is to produce more humans.  The Bible is very clear that homosexual behavior falls into the category of "perversion".  Just as heterosexuals who do not have sex outside of marriage are not sinners in that respect, homosexuals who do not have sex outside of marriage are not sinners in that respect either. 

[Jazzhead]

God didn't say "the partner one loves." God defined marriage as man and woman.  You're just inventing your own scripture.

God is not arbitrary and cruel.   

[Sanguine]

God is not arbitrary and cruel.

No, but He can appear to be to those of us who want to follow our own desires and not His will.

[mountaineer]

God is not arbitrary and cruel.

God is holy and righteous and, yes, he does judge the unrepentant.  He doesn't change His standards just to make you or anyone else feel more comfortable in their sin. At the same time, He is forgiving and merciful to those who acknowledge their sin and ask forgiveness - not, I suspect,  to those who say God didn't really mean what He said.

[Jazzhead]

Just as heterosexuals who do not have sex outside of marriage are not sinners in that respect, homosexuals who do not have sex outside of marriage are not sinners in that respect either.

I can accept that.  Fidelity is at the heart of sexual responsibility.   But I cannot accept that, to remain free of sin, a homosexual must marry someone he does not have the capacity to love (in the sexual sense).  If what you suggest is God's will, then a homosexual has no choice but to remain celibate.  (Indeed, there are few things more cruel than to marry someone you do not have the capacity to have a sexual relationship with;  that is cheating one's spouse of something basic to human nature which God commands be exercised within the bounds of monogamy.)

 

[Jazzhead]

No, but He can appear to be to those of us who want to follow our own desires and not His will.

I am not suggesting that folks oppose God's will.  But His will cannot be that a homosexual must marry only a person he cannot have the capacity to love in a sexual sense.  His/her spouse then becomes an innocent victim, cheated of a normal married life and without the ability (without committing the sin of adultery) to seek sexual satisfaction. 

[mountaineer]