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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2018, 04:43:16 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on July 01, 2018, 04:24:27 pm
It’s not murder.

Ending the life of another, innocent human is not murder? 
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2018, 04:43:38 pm »
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She has as much right to remove a trespasser from her body, by force if necessary, as you do to remove a trespasser from your house, by force if necessary.

*trespasser*....OMG it's a human being a baby... **nononono*
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2018, 04:44:07 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on July 01, 2018, 04:41:41 pm
Now there's the sexist observation of the year!

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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #53 on: July 01, 2018, 04:44:09 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on July 01, 2018, 04:41:41 pm
Now there's the sexist observation of the year!

It applies to those who are pro-abortion.
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #54 on: July 01, 2018, 04:45:02 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on July 01, 2018, 04:43:38 pm
*trespasser*....OMG it's a human being a baby... **nononono*

One would hope the trespasser would have the decency to wipe his/her feet.
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #55 on: July 01, 2018, 04:46:11 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on June 29, 2018, 01:22:19 pm
Murder?  C'mon, that's your particular moral values in overdrive.  During the first trimester,  a fetus has no separate existence apart from the mother.   At such time, the moral status of the fetus is a matter of individual conscience.   

And you entitled to your moral values,  including to hyperventilate by using the term "murder"   But what you don't have is the right to demand the state to impose your moral values on others.   

Abortion as a form of birth control is immoral (evil) and it is murder. Our founding documents state
that each of us have a right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Please note the word
LIFE. Claiming the constitution grants the right to MURDER and unborn child is an obscenity.

There are valid reasons to abort a child, life of the mother for example, but not birth control. Give
the child up for adoption, perhaps the father will take it. There are options other than killing it.

Will RvW be over turned? No, the precedent is set however abortions can be curtailed and limited
without overturning RvW.
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #56 on: July 01, 2018, 04:46:27 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on July 01, 2018, 04:44:09 pm
It applies to those who are pro-abortion.

I happen to think that those who strive to keep women available for easy sex are the biggest misogynists of them all.
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #57 on: July 01, 2018, 04:46:52 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on July 01, 2018, 04:43:16 pm
Ending the life of another, innocent human is not murder? 

Happens all the time.  Is it murder when the brakes of your car fail because you were ignoring the schreeching from them and you run an innocent pedestrian over and kill him with your car?
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #58 on: July 01, 2018, 04:47:36 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 01, 2018, 04:46:27 pm
I happen to think that those who strive to keep women available for easy sex are the biggest misogynists of them all.

Yes, definitionally so.
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #59 on: July 01, 2018, 04:48:38 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on July 01, 2018, 04:46:11 pm
Abortion as a form of birth control is immoral (evil) and it is murder. Our founding documents state
that each of us have a right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Please note the word
LIFE. Claiming the constitution grants the right to MURDER and unborn child is an obscenity.

There are valid reasons to abort a child, life of the mother for example, but not birth control. Give
the child up for adoption, perhaps the father will take it. There are options other than killing it.

Will RvW be over turned? No, the precedent is set however abortions can be curtailed and limited
without overturning RvW.

You can’t have it both ways:  either abortion is murder and unacceptable under all circumstances, or it is not, in which case we’re merely arguing over where the line should be drawn.
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #60 on: July 01, 2018, 04:48:47 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on July 01, 2018, 04:46:52 pm
Happens all the time.  Is it murder when the brakes of your car fail because you were ignoring the schreeching from them and you run an innocent pedestrian over and kill him with your car?

That would be a subset of murder, manslaughter, if it were proven that you were negligent in maintaining your vehicle.  Come on, that's not even a halfway decent argument!
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #61 on: July 01, 2018, 04:49:34 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on July 01, 2018, 04:44:09 pm
It applies to those who are pro-abortion.

Absolutely does not. 
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #62 on: July 01, 2018, 04:50:41 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on July 01, 2018, 04:49:34 pm
Absolutely does not.

Yeah, it really does. 
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #63 on: July 01, 2018, 04:50:42 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on July 01, 2018, 04:48:47 pm
That would be a subset of murder, manslaughter, if it were proven that you were negligent in maintaining your vehicle.  Come on, that's not even a halfway decent argument!

Manslaughter is not a subset of murder, and no, it wouldn’t even be manslaughter.  It would be a tragic accident. 
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #64 on: July 01, 2018, 04:50:48 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on July 01, 2018, 04:38:33 pm
She has the right to choose right up to the moment of birth.

Until and unless the State can take over the gestation of the fetus, and stands ready to do so, it has no business forcing a woman to continue with a pregnancy she does not want.

If she did not want a pregnancy, then she should not have engaged in sex. The math is simple. 

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She has as much right to remove a trespasser from her body, by force if necessary, as you do to remove a trespasser from your house, by force if necessary.

The baby is not a trespasser. The baby was invited.

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And your view of marriage is surreal. Ever heard of marital rape?

marital rape is a crime. Lets stick to the concept for a while before hauling out exceptions.
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #65 on: July 01, 2018, 04:50:58 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on July 01, 2018, 04:50:41 pm
Yeah, it really does. 

No, it really doesn’t. 
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #66 on: July 01, 2018, 04:51:28 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on July 01, 2018, 04:50:42 pm
Manslaughter is not a subset of murder, and no, it wouldn’t even be manslaughter.  It would be a tragic accident.

You're flailing.  Your argument is weak and not relevant to the question of right to life.
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« Reply #67 on: July 01, 2018, 04:52:23 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on July 01, 2018, 04:50:48 pm
If she did not want a pregnancy, then she should not have engaged in sex. The math is simple. 

The baby is not a trespasser. The baby was invited.

marital rape is a crime. Lets stick to the concept for a while before hauling out exceptions.

Even a guest can become a trespasser if he overstays his welcome.  If you can remove, by force if necessary, a guest who has decided to take up permanent residence in your house, then the analogy is quite apt. 
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #68 on: July 01, 2018, 04:52:53 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on June 29, 2018, 02:13:36 pm
Why even speculate on this?  We don't know who is going to be chosen, whether or not they will be confirmed, and what cases may come up to the SCOTUS in the future.  Way too early to be arguing this one.

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I think I will make an attempt to stay out of the debate. You right it serves no purpose untill we
have a nominee.
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #69 on: July 01, 2018, 04:53:34 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on July 01, 2018, 04:52:23 pm
Even a guest can become a trespasser if he overstays his welcome.  If you can remove, by force if necessary, a guest who has decided to take up permanent residence in your house, then the analogy is quite apt.

Actually, depending on the jurisdiction, the invited guest may have rights even after they become unwelcome. 
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #70 on: July 01, 2018, 04:54:27 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on July 01, 2018, 04:52:53 pm
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I think I will make an attempt to stay out of the debate. You right it serve no purpose untill we
have a nominee.

And, I think I will now take my own (forgotten) advice.   :laugh:
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #71 on: July 01, 2018, 04:54:46 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on July 01, 2018, 04:51:28 pm
You're flailing.  Your argument is weak and not relevant to the question of right to life.

No, you’re trying to dodge the issue.  Do we sanction, or excuse, killing?  All the time.  Killing is not the same as murder.  You’re using the word “murder” the same way liberals use the word “racism”: to shut down a discussion you can’t win.
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« Reply #72 on: July 01, 2018, 04:55:42 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on July 01, 2018, 04:53:34 pm
Actually, depending on the jurisdiction, the invited guest may have rights even after they become unwelcome. 

Really?  To sleep in your bed, eat your food, and have you cater to his every whim?   Permanently?
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #73 on: July 01, 2018, 04:55:52 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on July 01, 2018, 04:39:07 pm
But note that marriage is not compelled by the State.   You know, that pesky right of self-determination and all.

Too bad it isn't. It is the natural remedy to a bastard child that will likely be a burden and ward of the state in some capacity.
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Re: Will Anthony Kennedy’s replacement really end Roe v. Wade?
« Reply #74 on: July 01, 2018, 04:56:51 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 01, 2018, 04:40:16 pm
The entire purpose of abortion is to keep women available for easy sex.

That's right.
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