Trump: We must ‘immediately’ return undocumented immigrants ‘with no judges or court cases’

[roamer_1]

One enters this country through a US Port of Entry and makes his or her case.

Run the border, get a ticket back home.  Period.

And what of an American citizen caught on the wrong side of the border without papers?

[Free Vulcan]

One enters this country through a US Port of Entry and makes his or her case.

Run the border, get a ticket back home.  Period.

Fair point.

[WingNot]

And what of an American citizen caught on the wrong side of the border without papers?

Midnight Express...
Send him to pound me in the ass mexican prison for being a mule or a dumb ass.  Doesn't mater.


Trump should ban all travel to Mexico.  Cut off the tourist money.  the "waders" dry up

[roamer_1]

Midnight Express...
Send him to pound me in the ass mexican prison for being a mule or a dumb ass.  Doesn't mater.

The reason I ask is that unbeknownst to me, I have drifted over the border into Alberta more than once with no ID or papers of any sort... Didn't know any better... No notice, no sign... So you'd have the US Patrol kick me back to the Mounties, who will arrest me, haul me to their detention, and spend a week on court dates and bullshit... get my papers transferred up who knows how...

Seems like a whole bunch of bullcrap over nothing.

[dfwgator]

Midnight Express...
Send him to pound me in the ass mexican prison for being a mule or a dumb ass.  Doesn't mater.


Trump should ban all travel to Mexico.  Cut off the tourist money.  the "waders" dry up

And ban the Mexican soccer team from playing their games in the US.

[berdie]

And ban the Mexican soccer team from playing their games in the US.

THAT will get their attention!!!

[WingNot]

And ban the Mexican soccer team from playing their games in the US.

But let the NFL play in Estadio Azteca.  Turn about is fair play.

[Hoodat]

In the past decade, twenty thousand US citizens we're wrongly deported.

This is why some sort of due process is necessary, not to protect illegals, but to protect US citizens.

Here's some due process.  First of all, implement an immigration policy based solely upon merit.  Then give those people due process to have their immigration status expedited.  And then finally, prosecute people who enter this country illegally, and sentence them to prison time before releasing them back to their home country.  They will think twice before doing it again.

The fact that we suck at doing either one of these things shows that due process doesn't mean squat.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

One US citizen wrongly deported is one too many. We can't and shouldn't sacrifice the liberty and rights of citizens. I believe a great man said something a while back about sacrificing liberty for security.

Taking that logic, you would never allow policemen to carry arms as one innocent citizen might get shot, or forbid the US from ever to go to war with another country because there may be 'friendly fire'.

That logic will kill you.

[txradioguy]

Midnight Express...
Send him to pound me in the ass mexican prison for being a mule or a dumb ass.  Doesn't mater.

I'm not sure that Marine who was merely guilty of making a wrong turn and wound up in a Mexican prison for a month would share your opinion.

[skeeter]

Midnight Express...
Send him to pound me in the ass mexican prison for being a mule or a dumb ass.  Doesn't mater.

BTW you get extra credit for paraphrasing one of the best movies ever made.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

One US citizen wrongly deported is one too many. We can't and shouldn't sacrifice the liberty and rights of citizens. I believe a great man said something a while back about sacrificing liberty for security.

Right.  And one innocent person being convicted is one too many.  Problem is, if we insist upon a zero defect mentality, we can't deport or convict anyone.

[Right_in_Virginia]

And what of an American citizen caught on the wrong side of the border without papers?

They do what they do now:  Go to a US Port of Entry, explain your circumstances and you'll be helped.  Or, if you prefer visit the US Embassy in the country you're stuck in.

I don't understand why you're still pushing this nonsense.  The answer remains the same.

[ABX]

Taking that logic, you would never allow policemen to carry arms as one innocent citizen might get shot, or forbid the US from ever to go to war with another country because there may be 'friendly fire'.

That logic will kill you.

But the problem is we are taking it to the other extreme with removing due process. In your analogy, this would be like letting the cops fire on anyone no matter if they are deemed a threat.

That no one should be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law is one of the rights 'granted by our creator' for a reason.

[thackney]

And what of an American citizen caught on the wrong side of the border without papers?

They made a documentary about that.

[RedHead]

Asylum should only be if you come from a Communist country,like Cuba.

What about a Syrian Christian?  A political opponent of Maduro in Venezuela?  A Kurd persecuted by Turkey?

[roamer_1]

They do what they do now:  Go to a US Port of Entry, explain your circumstances and you'll be helped.  Or, if you prefer visit the US Embassy in the country you're stuck in.

I don't understand why you're still pushing this nonsense.  The answer remains the same.

That isn't the point @Right_in_Virginia . The point is that I should be afforded due process at the border. A twenty minute verification, versus detention in Canada and jumping through the embassy hoops.

[roamer_1]

But the problem is we are taking it to the other extreme with removing due process.

[...]

That no one should be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law is one of the rights 'granted by our creator' for a reason.

Absolutely spot-on!

[Suppressed]

The President is doing everything he can, including campaigning across the country.  If memory serves, he's not a king.   ^-^

@Right_in_Virginia, has he provided a proposal, a bill that he is suggesting?

[Suppressed]

The reason I ask is that unbeknownst to me, I have drifted over the border into Alberta more than once with no ID or papers of any sort... Didn't know any better... No notice, no sign... So you'd have the US Patrol kick me back to the Mounties, who will arrest me, haul me to their detention, and spend a week on court dates and bullshit... get my papers transferred up who knows how...

Seems like a whole bunch of bullcrap over nothing.

Jogger accidentally crosses U.S. border from B.C., gets detained for 2 weeks by authorities
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321464.msg1720660.html#msg1720660

[RedHead]

We are a nation of laws.  If entering the country illegally is against the law then the Sixth Amendment guarantees them a public trial.  If the President doesn't want a trial then remove the criminal aspect of illegal entry and then you're left with what are they being deported for?

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia, has he provided a proposal, a bill that he is suggesting?

No ... because this comes from our lazy ass Congress.   The President has met several times with the Republican caucus but it's not up to a president to write the laws.

Or are you demanding an exception for this President?  Or are you suggesting the President just use his pen?   Which avenue would you like this President to take to satisfy you?

[GtHawk]

Not necessarily. But let's say that's so. How do you determine that without due process? A Cuban, showing up at the Texas border... How do you know him from any other without some means of due process?

Well first of all they should know absolutely everything about 1950's cars.

[roamer_1]

Well first of all they should know absolutely everything about 1950's cars.

LOL! Point taken... But then, so do I... 

[IsailedawayfromFR]

We are a nation of laws.  If entering the country illegally is against the law then the Sixth Amendment guarantees them a public trial. If the President doesn't want a trial then remove the criminal aspect of illegal entry and then you're left with what are they being deported for?

The US Constitution protects the citizens of this country.

We did not write it for Mexican citizens.

Explain how you interpret it otherwise.