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How many amnesties?

@Chosen Daughter If I understand your question, they were eligible for the 1986 amnesty.
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Catch-and-release is the law and Trump can't change it.




Trump can't change it?  Then what good is he?  What about all those promises he made re: illegal immigration?  What about the MAIN reason many on the right voted for him?  What about all that bragging about what great "deals" he would make?  Oh wait...

it was all just campaign promises bullcrap.

Nevermind.
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Trump can't change it?  Then what good is he?  What about all those promises he made re: illegal immigration?  What about the MAIN reason many on the right voted for him?


Many on the right voted for a dictator? Shame on them.


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Many on the right voted for a dictator? Shame on them.

For being fooled?  Wouldn't be the first, or the last, time.
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Build the darn wall as promised Mr. President.  NO entry.  No detaining and drop them back over the border.

Maybe you didn't read the article. Without Democratic votes it can't be done.

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Maybe you didn't read the article. Without Democratic votes it can't be done.

So.... since Trump knew that the wall he was promising would never get Democratic votes.... when he promised that wall (you know, the one he would make Mexico pay for?)....

he was what?  LYING?

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Trump: Only Workable Immigration Solution Is To ‘Detain, Prosecute, and Promptly Remove’ Anyone Who Crosses Border
 
23 Jun 2018

During Saturday’s Weekly Address, President Trump discussed immigration and said that the “crisis of illegal immigration” can only be solved by Congress “and the only solution that will work is being able to detain, prosecute, and promptly remove anyone who illegally crosses the border.”

Transcript as Follows:

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/06/23/trump-only-workable-immigration-solution-is-to-detain-prosecute-and-promptly-remove-anyone-who-crosses-border/

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Trump: Only Workable Immigration Solution Is To ‘Detain, Prosecute, and Promptly Remove’ Anyone Who Crosses Border
 
23 Jun 2018

During Saturday’s Weekly Address, President Trump discussed immigration and said that the “crisis of illegal immigration” can only be solved by Congress “and the only solution that will work is being able to detain, prosecute, and promptly remove anyone who illegally crosses the border.”

Transcript as Follows:

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/06/23/trump-only-workable-immigration-solution-is-to-detain-prosecute-and-promptly-remove-anyone-who-crosses-border/

Already posted by RIV yesterday.
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Hey everybody!  The media and the administration like us to focus on the southern border.  We need to remember that there are MORE visa overstays than illegal border crossings.  We really need to focus on that problem and require e-verify.

Hi, Laura.

First off, I don't beleive that number is correct.  There are many, many more illegal crossings than VISA overstays.  And, secondly, yes, there is absolutely no excuse for the feds to not have that program under control. 

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Works for me.

It's so simple you have to wonder why it even needs to be stated.
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Works for me.

It's so simple you have to wonder why it even needs to be stated.

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Remember that conversation you and I had yesterday about why the army pisses away millions of dollars merely CHOOSING a new battle rifle?   Same reason applies here for why it won’t happen:

Not nearly enough middle-men, lobbyists and MOST IMPORTANTLY politicians get their palm greased with that scenario!
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Trump: Only Workable Immigration Solution Is To ‘Detain, Prosecute, and Promptly Remove’ Anyone Who Crosses Border
 
23 Jun 2018

During Saturday’s Weekly Address, President Trump discussed immigration and said that the “crisis of illegal immigration” can only be solved by Congress “and the only solution that will work is being able to detain, prosecute, and promptly remove anyone who illegally crosses the border.”

Transcript as Follows:

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/06/23/trump-only-workable-immigration-solution-is-to-detain-prosecute-and-promptly-remove-anyone-who-crosses-border/

BINGO!
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Hi, Laura.

First off, I don't beleive that number is correct.  There are many, many more illegal crossings than VISA overstays.  And, secondly, yes, there is absolutely no excuse for the feds to not have that program under control.

I can't vouch for how the data are collected, but this Bing shows a lot of reports that say there are more Visa overstays.   :shrug:

https://www.bing.com/search?FORM=SLBRDF&pc=SL15&q=Visa%20Overstays%20vs%20Illegal%20border%20crossing
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Remember that conversation you and I had yesterday about why the army pisses away millions of dollars merely CHOOSING a new battle rifle?   Same reason applies here for why it won’t happen:

Not nearly enough middle-men, lobbyists and MOST IMPORTANTLY politicians get their palm greased with that scenario!

@Axeslinger

You're right. Too many vultures want to dip their beak into the spoils for anything involving government contracts to ever be simple.
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I can't vouch for how the data are collected, but this Bing shows a lot of reports that say there are more Visa overstays.   :shrug:

https://www.bing.com/search?FORM=SLBRDF&pc=SL15&q=Visa%20Overstays%20vs%20Illegal%20border%20crossing

Oh, I understand that, and it is an issue that needs to be addressed.  As I said, there's no excuse for this being ignored by the people who issue the visas and should be responsible for enforcing their use.

But - as we know, the feds are very, very reluctant to produce actual illegal immigration numbers and in fact, go to great lengths to obfuscate the issue.

From one of those articles in Bing:  "Of the 482,781 aliens who were recorded to have overstayed temporary U.S. visas in fiscal year 2015, just 2,456 were successfully deported from the United States during the same period, according to DHS’s figures, which amounts to a deportation rate of around 0.5 percent."

Looking at illegal border crossing types, the numbers are all over the place.  If you see "11 million" it is usually attached to a federal and/or left-wing type article, but even those show the 11 million at wildly varying points in time.  Did we get to 11 million in 1990 or 2015?

According to Wikipedia:  "The number of illegal immigrants peaked at about 12 million in 2007 and since that time has declined.[1] According to the nonpartisan Pew Research Center, the estimated population of illegal immigrants in the U.S. rose rapidly in the 1990s, "from an estimated 3.5 million in 1990 to a peak of 12.2 million in 2007," then dropped sharply during the Great Recession before stabilizing in 2009.[2] Pew estimated the total population to be 11.1 million in 2014, or approximately 3 percent of the U.S. population.[3][2][4] This "is in the same ballpark" as figures from the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which estimated that 11.4 million illegal immigrants lived in the United States in January 2012.[1][5] The estimate and trends are also consistent with figures reported by the Center for Migration Studies, which reported that the U.S. illegal immigrant population fell to 10.9 million by January 2016, the lowest number since 2003.[6]"

Now, keep in mind that 0bama "legalized" a large number of this population, which may account for much of the so-called decrease.

Fairus.org estimates 12.5 million.  https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-immigrants-are-in-us

I base my suspicion that the number is much higher on two things:  first is purely anecdotal.  I see the increase all around me.

The second is the numbers of illegal apprehensions along the SW border for the last four years, which is an average of 380,873/year, and estimates are as high as the Border Patrol apprehending at least 1 of 10 illegal crossers, which would mean actual numbers of 3.8 million entering per year.  You can't have 3.8 million per year coming in with no increase or even a decrease in the number of illegals here. 

In fact, just being charitable, let's say that the 11 million number did occur in 2014 and not 20 or 30 years ago, when the number started being used. That immediately puts us at +15 million today, not counting deportations.

According to Politifact, we have deported a total of 1.2 million from 2015 through 2017*.  That leaves us with over 14 million in just this four year period, but this has been going on since the 80's at least.  11 million is a bogus number.


* This number includes the number of visa overstays who were deported, which further increases the estimated number of illegal aliens currently residing here.
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@Sanguine

Key sentence in your post:

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But - as we know, the feds are very, very reluctant to produce actual illegal immigration numbers and in fact, go to great lengths to obfuscate the issue.

This is why I think you are correct, in the final analysis, which you are kind enough to provide.  For the anecdotal dimension, you and I live in border states, so we get the brunt of the illegal border crossings.  We share that.  @LauraTXNM does, too.

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@Sanguine

Key sentence in your post:

This is why I think you are correct, in the final analysis, which you are kind enough to provide.  For the anecdotal dimension, you and I live in border states, so we get the brunt of the illegal border crossings.  We share that.  @LauraTXNM does, too.

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You actually read all of that?   :laugh:

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Every bit.... :cool:

Whew, I don't like inflicting people with that much wordiness.

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Hey, @Sanguine and @Cyber Liberty!  I miss talking to you all -- the Canadian in-laws have decided to stay for 3 weeks, so it's crazy here ;(.

Thanks for the great info, Sanguine.  I totally agree, real numbers are very hard to come by.

The one good thing about visa overstays, is that at least they've undergone enough vetting to GET a visa for entry.  And I'm hopeful it is more difficult now than it was for 9/11 hijackers ;(.
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Hey, @Sanguine and @Cyber Liberty!  I miss talking to you all -- the Canadian in-laws have decided to stay for 3 weeks, so it's crazy here ;(.

Thanks for the great info, Sanguine.  I totally agree, real numbers are very hard to come by.

The one good thing about visa overstays, is that at least they've undergone enough vetting to GET a visa for entry.  And I'm hopeful it is more difficult now than it was for 9/11 hijackers ;(.

Bush tightened those Visa restrictions quite a bit, but Obama turned around and weakened them (he also reconstructed the "Gorelick Wall" that kept the intel agencies from spotting the hijackers).  It's a natural consequence of electing liberals. 

This illustrates a basic difference between libs and cons:  liberals engage in violent street demonstrations when they lose, conservatives set about defeating the enemy using legal, non-violent means when they lose.  Ideally, that is.  I've been looking for the news accounts of when conservatives mobbed the streets, beating people up and throwing bottles of urine when Obama won, and I've been coming up empty.   :shrug:
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Hey, @Sanguine and @Cyber Liberty!  I miss talking to you all -- the Canadian in-laws have decided to stay for 3 weeks, so it's crazy here ;(.



Les Quebecers?  Or the normal Canucks.
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I think it's a fair point that if they don't come thru an official point of entry, they just get thrown back over the border without question. If you want due process, follow the process.
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I think it's a fair point that if they don't come thru an official point of entry, they just get thrown back over the border without question. If you want due process, follow the process.

This right here.  It's simple enough to fit on a postcard.
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