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Bad move on the Senator's part.
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Bad move on the Senator's part.

Maybe Paddy's poll numbers are growing? 
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Caving Craven Cruz. Wadda freaking punk.

No, if you read the bill, he is talking about HOLDING them all until they are deported.  Now, they are released and told to reappear for their hearing.  Which, very few do.
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I always suspected Cruz was a ballless weasel.

Cruz is as phony as a three dollar bill. But he is still better than any Rat.

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No, if you read the bill, he is talking about HOLDING them all until they are deported.  Now, they are released and told to reappear for their hearing.  Which, very few do.

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HorseHillary! There is NO reason to hold any of them longer than overnight. They are either citizens or legal aliens with permission to be here,or they get deported.

What he is talking about is caving to the left while getting more money to run the bureaucracy. The Border Patrol needs more money to hire agents and build the wall,not more money to feed,clothe,house,educate,and hire lawyers to represent illegal aliens in holding.

You either stand for something,or you stand for nothing at all. Smarmy Ted Cruz stands for straddling any issue and standing for nothing.

BTW,I can see holding the adults for maybe a week before deporting them. They can be given picks and shovels to help clean land to pour a cement base for the wall. The ones to old or weak to do that can carry water for the ones working.

There MUST be some sort of punishment for violating our border and breaking out national,state,and local laws.

As for their children,they could be deported to Mexico immediately,and let the Mexicans bear the expense of baby-sitting them while their parents are working off their labor sentences in the US. Maybe THEN the Mexicans would start taking seriously their obligation to guard their borders.
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HorseHillary! There is NO reason to hold any of them longer than overnight. They are either citizens or legal aliens with permission to be here,or they get deported.

What he is talking about is caving to the left while getting more money to run the bureaucracy. The Border Patrol needs more money to hire agents and build the wall,not more money to feed,clothe,house,educate,and hire lawyers to represent illegal aliens in holding.

You either stand for something,or you stand for nothing at all. Smarmy Ted Cruz stands for straddling any issue and standing for nothing.

Sorry, Pete, it's the law.  If you stop them and they have been coached to request amnesty, they have to give them a hearing.  Cruz's bill greatly accelerates the hearing and subsequent deportation. 
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@Sanguine

HorseHillary! There is NO reason to hold any of them longer than overnight. They are either citizens or legal aliens with permission to be here,or they get deported.

What he is talking about is caving to the left while getting more money to run the bureaucracy. The Border Patrol needs more money to hire agents and build the wall,not more money to feed,clothe,house,educate,and hire lawyers to represent illegal aliens in holding.

You either stand for something,or you stand for nothing at all. Smarmy Ted Cruz stands for straddling any issue and standing for nothing.

Anyone that crossed Mexico to apply in the US should be automatically denied.

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Maybe Paddy's poll numbers are growing?

Doubtful...
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No, if you read the bill, he is talking about HOLDING them all until they are deported.  Now, they are released and told to reappear for their hearing.  Which, very few do.

Bingo!
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Anyone that crossed Mexico to apply in the US should be automatically denied.

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I agree,and beyond that they should be denied the right to apply to enter the US for at least 5 years. Any caught the second time should be given actual prison sentences.
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Doubtful...

Yeah.  Probable so.  But the boy has been all over the news empithizing with the plight of "his people".

Those damn law breaking Irish boarder crosser's anyway. I tell yeah.
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Yeah.  Probable so.  But the boy has been all over the news empithizing with the plight of "his people".

Those damn law breaking Irish boarder crosser's anyway. I tell yeah.

Democrats are disgusting liars, every damn one of them.

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Sorry, Pete, it's the law.  If you stop them and they have been coached to request amnesty, they have to give them a hearing.  Cruz's bill greatly accelerates the hearing and subsequent deportation.

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Sorry,Sanguine,but if Cruz can write a law to coddle them,he could just as easily write a law to demand instant deportation after a week of hard labor. Their children are caught with them,and there is no reason their children can't be loaded on buses and bused right back to Mexico the same day,and dumped off for the Mexican government to take care of.
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Yeah.  Probable so.  But the boy has been all over the news empithizing with the plight of "his people".

Those damn law breaking Irish boarder crosser's anyway. I tell yeah.

His people?  Is he referring to Sinn Fein?
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No, if you read the bill, he is talking about HOLDING them all until they are deported.  Now, they are released and told to reappear for their hearing.  Which, very few do.

Bingo!

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Ok,so instead of writing a law that pleases them and costs America even more money,write a law that says the adults are used as labor gangs to work on the wall for free while awaiting the hearing.

There is NO legitimate,or even sane,reason to let invaders loose so they can disappear.
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Sorry, Pete, it's the law.  If you stop them and they have been coached to request amnesty, they have to give them a hearing.  Cruz's bill greatly accelerates the hearing and subsequent deportation.

Why the need for a hearing? You caught them red handed crossing the border illegally. DEPORT THEM BACK from the border !

Why can't we have a bill like this? Nobody has explained this to me.

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Why the need for a hearing? You caught them red handed crossing the border illegally. DEPORT THEM BACK from the border !

Why can't we have a bill like this? Nobody has explained this to me.


Because there's no way in hell it would pass.  Deprive the dems and rinos of this issue?  No way.
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Because there's no way in hell it would pass.  Deprive the dems and rinos of this issue?  No way.

That aside, I'm sure you agree that DEPORTING THEM WITHOUT A HEARING is the most practical thing to do....

Look, if they want to live and work in America, they have a LEGAL channel to do it. Tell them to follow the law.

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Because there's no way in hell it would pass.  Deprive the dems and rinos of this issue?  No way.

Let me edit to add that I agree with your observation.

Given those limitations a Senator has to work with, why the heck do I read so much hate on what Ted Cruz is doing? He is simply doing the most practical and politically possible thing at the moment.

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His people?  Is he referring to Sinn Fein?

Yes.  But only the Brown Sinn Fein. 
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Why the need for a hearing? You caught them red handed crossing the border illegally. DEPORT THEM BACK from the border !

Why can't we have a bill like this? Nobody has explained this to me.


@SirLinksALot

We can't have a bill like that because the Dims would lose talking points,and the alleged Republicans are nothing but Dims.

Besides,don't you understand there are political contributions for ALL politicians that will go away if we simplify the problem?

Next think you know,you will be demanding they pay for their own domestic help and vacations!
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Let me edit to add that I agree with your observation.

Given those limitations a Senator has to work with, why the heck do I read so much hate on what Ted Cruz is doing? He is simply doing the most practical and politically possible thing at the moment.


Thanks for the clarification.

Why the hate?  Because, IMHO, Cruz was the most significant challenger to DJT and that earned him a lot of hate, so there are a few here who watch for anything positive about Cruz and attack him.  My best guess.  And, yes, it is an odd reaction. 
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Cruz is actually pretty smart here.

His law does several things that make a bigger point.

1. It only separates those accused of serious law violations (versus just a misdemeanor or for those who are trying to go through legal channels like applying for asylum). It makes the point that those who are separated are true law violators unlike how the left is spinning it and it takes the issue away from them claiming they are just people who are being separated when they apply for asylum at border checkpoints (2-3 cases of this they use as examples).

2. The way this is worded, he is taking specific aim at the source law Bill Clinton passed.

3. He is the only person who has offered up anything of substance. Everyone else is just using the children as political props.

4. It validates which children are with their actual families versus being smuggled in through human trafficking.
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I always suspected Cruz was a ballless weasel.

Well, I can neither confirm nor deny this   :laugh:

But he is a reactionary ....  A few years ago he said kids should go back .... and when the heat increases Cruz then makes a big photo op out of handing out teddy bears.  A few days ago Cruz articulated fact-based support for the President's actions and today after a few days of biased attacks ---- the situation is so dire we need emergency legislation.

It would have been more helpful had Cruz reminded folks that the Republican caucus is meeting with the President tonight (planned a while ago) to discuss the immigration reform bills being worked on ... and that the issues of the wall and children here illegally will be part of the discussion, and the solution proposed.  A reminder that the Demonrats aren't doing anything except exploiting children would have been a nice touch.

At this point in time a carve-out emergency bill is just stupid. IMHO, of course.  And I don't care who proposes it.

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Cruz is actually pretty smart here.

His law does several things that make a bigger point.

1. It only separates those accused of serious law violations (versus just a misdemeanor or for those who are trying to go through legal channels like applying for asylum). It makes the point that those who are separated are true law violators unlike how the left is spinning it and it takes the issue away from them claiming they are just people who are being separated when they apply for asylum at border checkpoints (2-3 cases of this they use as examples).

2. The way this is worded, he is taking specific aim at the source law Bill Clinton passed.

3. He is the only person who has offered up anything of substance. Everyone else is just using the children as political props.

4. It validates which children are with their actual families versus being smuggled in through human trafficking.

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IF what you say is true,I agree,and stand corrected.
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