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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #650 on: June 13, 2018, 08:46:05 PM »
Really?  Where?  I do not find any recollection of that history in this discussion.

Neither does mental masturbation pretending your cheerleading is accomplishing anything besides self-gratifying the hubris.

I'm laughing hysterically at reading nearly the same swooning over Trump as the greatest messenger of peace in our time as I did when Obama was heralded by his hordes over the Iran deal.

Yes we all know you would cheer if nukes went off over an American city.
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #651 on: June 13, 2018, 08:49:49 PM »
Where are you pulling this from ... thin air?



I’m pulling it from a modem, if you bother to do the tiniest bit of research.  Pompeo has already said any agreement would be brought to congress.  Plenty of senators, including the majority leader, have said it should be a treaty, but it’s up to the president.  As isolated as they are, the Norks still have an understanding of how agreements work in our system.  They saw how this president disagreed with the one his predecessor reached with Iran.  He’s not so naive to think the next guy might not like this agreement, if it’s on the executive level, and reimpose sanctions or threaten his regime.
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #652 on: June 13, 2018, 08:51:33 PM »
Where are you pulling this from ... thin air?  The President has been talking about this with Kim, returning the remains of our soldiers and the dead and alive Japanese in generational prison camps.

And, if you don't mind by bringing this up, President Trump is the only President who has opened this dialogue...and he's done it face to face with the perpetrator.

Try, try and see the positives all around you.  You don't even have to admit them here, just don't deprive yourself of at least seeing them.

 888high58888

The refusal by so many to acknowledge Trump's achievement is pathetic.   What the hell did Obama, Clinton and both Bushes do to address human rights in NORK?    Of course this is only a first step, but among what's already been accomplished is the extension of good will that allows us to raise the issue of political prisoners, and invite a reciprocal gesture.

Demonizing the Kim regime hasn't freed a single political prisoner.   Treating the North Koreans as negotiating equals allows for the possibility of reciprocity,  a sound tactic whenever the true goal of a negotiation is the forging of a deal, rather than the scoring of political points.

We've spent over fifty years refusing to meet with the North Koreans in fear of according them "prestige".  Meanwhile they've become a self-fulfilling prophecy, playing to type with open hostility, duplicity and extreme militancy borne of anger at being treated as pariahs.   Our past tactics have gained us nothing,  and so many years of pussyfooting has let the NORKs finally gain the leverage they've sought - nukes and the means to deliver them to an American city.


What is notable is that both the NORKs and the Americans think they are negotiating from a position of strength.   That's a good thing, because it is conducive to productive, good faith bargaining.


I applaud the President for forging his own path and daring to approach diplomacy like a business negotiation.    I applaud the President for having the courage to step up and try to solve a crisis dropped in his lap because of decades of can-kicking and conventional thinking.     


 




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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #653 on: June 13, 2018, 08:53:38 PM »
Yes we all know you would cheer if nukes went off over an American city.

   That was cold @driftdiver because Invar doesn't agree with you he automatically doesn't give a $hit if a US City is nuked? 

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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #654 on: June 13, 2018, 08:59:02 PM »
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The refusal y so many to acknowledge Trump's achievement is pathetic.   What the hell did Obama, Clinton and both Bushes do to address human rights in NORK?    Of course this is only a first step, but among what's already been accomplished is the extension of good will that allows us to raise the issue of political prisoners, and invite a reciprocal gesture.

Demonizing the Kim regime hasn't freed a single political prisoner.   Treating the North Koreans as negotiating equals allows for the possibility of reciprocity,  a sound tactic whenever the true goal of a negotiation is the forging of a deal, rather than the scoring of political points.

We've spent over fifty years refusing to meet with the North Koreans in fear of according them "prestige".  Meanwhile they've become a self-fulfilling prophecy, playing to type with open hostility, duplicity and extreme militancy borne of anger at being treated as pariahs.   Our past tactics have gained us nothing,  and so many years of pussyfooting has let the NORKs finally gain the leverage they've sought - nukes and the means to deliver them to an American city.


What is notable is that both the NORKs and the Americans think they are negotiating from a position of strength.   That's a good thing, because it is conducive to productive, good faith bargaining.


I applaud the President for forging his own path and daring to approach diplomacy like a business negotiation.    I applaud the President for having the courage to step up and try to solve a crisis dropped in his lap because of decades of can-kicking and conventional thinking.     


@Jazzhead

I applaud the President for taking a different approach than has been done over the past 30 years.  What we’ve tried previously hasn’t worked so trying something markedly different makes complete sense to me.  The issue I have is with the declaration of Trump having achieved an “accomplishment” with North Korea just yet.  He hasn’t.......yet.

Pompeo says the goal is “irreversible and verifiable denuclearization”.  We haven’t achieved that.  Maybe we will.  Maybe we won’t.  My money is on that we won’t, but I’m hoping for the best, but to declare that Trump has achieved something like "There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea” is just delusional or a lie or both IMO.


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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #655 on: June 13, 2018, 09:02:33 PM »
Yes we all know you would cheer if nukes went off over an American city.

That says everything anyone needs to know about the mindset of a lunatic ForeverTrump® right there.

Just like your garden variety liberal imbeciles we can see that style over substance; intentions over results; and emotions over facts are no longer just the province of the liberal Left.
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #656 on: June 13, 2018, 09:03:38 PM »
   I read Stormys account of her first meeting with President Trump, that time he got lucky, this time the Jury's still out.
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #657 on: June 13, 2018, 09:08:27 PM »
@Jazzhead

I applaud the President for taking a different approach than has been done over the past 30 years.  What we’ve tried previously hasn’t worked so trying something markedly different makes complete sense to me.  The issue I have is with the declaration of Trump having achieved an “accomplishment” with North Korea just yet.  He hasn’t.......yet.

Pompeo says the goal is “irreversible and verifiable denuclearization”.  We haven’t achieved that.  Maybe we will.  Maybe we won’t.  My money is on that we won’t, but I’m hoping for the best, but to declare that Trump has achieved something like "There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea” is just delusional or a lie or both IMO.

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This is just the first inning of the game.  I'm more optimistic than you are about the ultimate outcome, but I understand your skepticism.   The NORKs have a reputation for duplicity, to put it mildly.   As for Trump's tweets,  they don't bother me; let him have his Trumpian moment.  With this President,  we get the pace, schtick and bluster of a reality show.  I've never liked it,  but I accept it and tune it out.  What I care about is the context appears to have been established for a true negotiation to take place, between parties that both have much to gain or lose.   

 
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #658 on: June 13, 2018, 09:15:03 PM »
   That was cold @driftdiver because Invar doesn't agree with you he automatically doesn't give a $hit if a US City is nuked? 

   I read the FDA Warning on that Orange Koolaid, I suggest you do too.

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It's not because he disagrees with me.  Its because he cheers everytime something bad happens.  It's like hes hoping the world burns just so he can say I told you so.
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #659 on: June 13, 2018, 09:15:32 PM »
Pompeo says the goal is “irreversible and verifiable denuclearization”.  We haven’t achieved that.


He also said it would hopefully occur over the next 2 - 2 1/2 years. Given the opportunity for that timeframe, the North Koreans will do the minimum and slow walk it. A lot can happen in the interim.

Pompeo, speaking to reporters in Seoul on Wednesday, sought to quell criticism that North Korea didn’t make any major commitments at the summit in Singapore.

“We’re hopeful that we can achieve that in, what was it, the next two and half years,” the top American diplomat said when asked how soon the U.S. wanted to see North Korea move to dismantle its nuclear weapons program. “We’re hopeful we can get it done. There’s a lot of work left to do.”


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-13/pompeo-sees-north-korean-denuclearization-in-trump-s-first-term
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #660 on: June 13, 2018, 09:16:37 PM »
A few tens of millions dead might be worse

Yeah I mean what's a few more million added to the millions already killed by this regime right?
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #661 on: June 13, 2018, 09:16:54 PM »
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #662 on: June 13, 2018, 09:18:45 PM »
Yeah I mean what's a few more million added to the millions already killed by this regime right?

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I guess that's the way some would look at it.  Personally I'd prefer not.
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #663 on: June 13, 2018, 09:20:25 PM »
It’s a glass half full.

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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #664 on: June 13, 2018, 09:29:13 PM »
@corbe

It's not because he disagrees with me.  Its because he cheers everytime something bad happens.  It's like hes hoping the world burns just so he can say I told you so.

INVAR's one of most bitter, angry and cynical men I've ever encountered on the internet.  He says he's a follower of Christ,  but his faith doesn't seem to have brought him a bit of empathy or joy. 
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #665 on: June 13, 2018, 09:31:25 PM »
@Concerned

This is just the first inning of the game.  I'm more optimistic than you are about the ultimate outcome, but I understand your skepticism.   The NORKs have a reputation for duplicity, to put it mildly.   As for Trump's tweets,  they don't bother me; let him have his Trumpian moment.  With this President,  we get the pace, schtick and bluster of a reality show.  I've never liked it,  but I accept it and tune it out.  What I care about is the context appears to have been established for a true negotiation to take place, between parties that both have much to gain or lose.

I agree it's the first inning of the game.  I don't pop the champagne in the first inning, and I don't think Trump supporters should also by talking about "achievement" in the first inning.  Look, if we get "irreversible and verifiable denuclearization", let's celebrate that "achievement", but until then the celebrations are premature IMO. 

As for the tweets, the White House says they are "official statements".  Sure, anyone is welcome to ignore those if they so choose, but I think it's a shame so many folks (and I know several) who choose to ignore official statements from the Commander in Chief because of his lies, the "schtick and bluster" (as you put), and the overall childishness. 
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #666 on: June 13, 2018, 09:37:37 PM »
It's not because he disagrees with me.  Its because he cheers everytime something bad happens.  It's like hes hoping the world burns just so he can say I told you so.

Care to share with the board the link with my quote that cheers when something 'bad' happens?  You know, like a mass shooting or a nuked city or a garden-variety mortar attack on civvies?

Or like the Leftards out there who cannot handle anyone who disagrees with their views on anything, you assign motives to a person without being able to comprehend a thing they are actually motivated by.

You're like an imbecilic  teenager who  accuses his parents of wanting him to fail because they are yanking their college support after they warned him to stop partying and knuckle down because he is going to flunk out of college.
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #667 on: June 13, 2018, 09:42:34 PM »
INVAR's one of most bitter, angry and cynical men I've ever encountered on the internet.  He says he's a follower of Christ,  but his faith doesn't seem to have brought him a bit of empathy or joy.

That's because you have zero clue of who I am or what I do in the meat world beyond what I have revealed here. 

I do not place joy in the institutions of men or their politics and government as you do.  My joy is elsewhere - and it is not discussed here for myriad reasons.

That said, as has been discussed in the past - your view of what constitutes a Christian and my understanding of what makes a disciple of Yeshua, are as far apart as night and day.
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #668 on: June 13, 2018, 09:44:36 PM »
I agree it's the first inning of the game.  I don't pop the champagne in the first inning, and I don't think Trump supporters should also by talking about "achievement" in the first inning.  Look, if we get "irreversible and verifiable denuclearization", let's celebrate that "achievement", but until then the celebrations are premature IMO.

That used to be considered wisdom once upon a time.

Not any more apparently.

However, analyzing the mindset of the zeitgeist has been a revelation.
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #669 on: June 13, 2018, 09:45:00 PM »
   
INVAR's one of most bitter, angry and cynical men I've ever encountered on the internet.  He says he's a follower of Christ,  but his faith doesn't seem to have brought him a bit of empathy or joy. 

    Again @Jazzhead you are entitled to your opinion but to openly express such disdain for a fellow Briefer is pretty shitty, in my book. 
    @INVAR, who I understand and appreciate, is stronger than all of yalls attacks. even simultaneously. 
    You few here are punching way out of your class.
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #670 on: June 13, 2018, 09:47:07 PM »
   
    Again @Jazzhead you are entitled to your opinion but to openly express such disdain for a fellow Briefer is pretty shitty, in my book. 
    @INVAR, who I understand and appreciate, is stronger than all of yalls attacks. even simultaneously. 
    You few here are punching way out of your class.

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And yet you stay silent when he issues personal attacks all the time.

You picked your friends.  Enjoy
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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #671 on: June 13, 2018, 09:52:49 PM »
@corbe

And yet you stay silent when he issues personal attacks all the time.

You picked your friends.  Enjoy


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« Reply #672 on: June 13, 2018, 09:56:56 PM »
@corbe

And yet you stay silent when he issues personal attacks all the time.

You picked your friends.  Enjoy

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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #673 on: June 13, 2018, 09:58:13 PM »
Bitter isn't a good look on you.

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Re: USA & No Korea Summit LIVE THREAD
« Reply #674 on: June 13, 2018, 09:59:17 PM »
Pompeo, speaking to reporters in Seoul on Wednesday, sought to quell criticism that North Korea didn’t make any major commitments at the summit in Singapore.

“We’re hopeful that we can achieve ...

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