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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #350 on: June 06, 2018, 11:14:22 AM »
We should go find gay bakers and ask each of them to produce a cake for successful gay conversion therapy.  A celebration type thing.

Better not do that in California.  Gay conversion therapy is illegal there.
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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #351 on: June 06, 2018, 11:19:51 AM »
Really?  Then you should have no problem showing that ad that shows that Masterpiece Bakery sells off-the-shelf wedding cakes.  Been waiting months to see it.  You continue to claim it.  Yet no ad.  Go figure.


I told you more than once - take a look at the Masterpiece Cakeshop website.   The gallery of items for sale and the instruction to choose from the items in the gallery or request a custom order.   If you don't like my term "off-the-shelf", then use the term "gallery" of items for sale that Phillips uses on his website.  These are non-custom designs, as per the website.   

Where we disagree is the record before the Court.  You apparently believe that Phillips would have provided a non-custom wedding cake to his gay customers.   I am not convinced of that.   

And as for your insinuation about my integrity - just like the inscription says on the cakemobile in Animal House:  <<Nope>>.   

 
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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #352 on: June 06, 2018, 11:21:46 AM »
Notice the difference here.  I backed up my claim with the actual court decision.  Contrast that with what you backed your claims with - nothing.

It is clear you have integrity issues, Jazzhead.  Perhaps you should ask yourself why.  Seriously, why is it so important for you to reiterate the same false narrative again and again?  What do you gain from it?

He left the realm of proper debate a long time ago.  He now uses the "Three Pounds" realm.

If the facts are on your side, pound the facts.
If the facts are not on your side, pound the law.
If neither the facts or the law are not on your side, pound the table.

He's been pounding the table on this issue (and other liberal issues) ever since I first saw him here.  Ignoring points you make, even if you post a cite, is the name of the game.  It's part of the table-pounding.
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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #353 on: June 06, 2018, 11:24:36 AM »
He left the realm of proper debate a long time ago.  He now uses the "Three Pounds" realm.

If the facts are on your side, pound the facts.
If the facts are not on your side, pound the law.
If neither the facts or the law are not on your side, pound the table.



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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #354 on: June 06, 2018, 11:26:51 AM »
It is clear you have integrity issues, Jazzhead.  Perhaps you should ask yourself why.  Seriously, why is it so important for you to reiterate the same false narrative again and again?  What do you gain from it?

It is what people do that are pushing agendas antithetical to the constitutions of a people they want to subjugate them to.

Convincing people that ideas and behaviors anathema to their principles and faith are morally superior is what he and his Leftist pals are engaged in.
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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #355 on: June 06, 2018, 11:34:28 AM »
I told you more than once - take a look at the Masterpiece Cakeshop website.   The gallery of items for sale and the instruction to choose from the items in the gallery or request a custom order.   If you don't like my term "off-the-shelf", then use the term "gallery" of items for sale that Phillips uses on his website.  These are non-custom designs, as per the website.   

Where we disagree is the record before the Court.  You apparently believe that Phillips would have provided a non-custom wedding cake to his gay customers.   I am not convinced of that.   

And as for your insinuation about my integrity - just like the inscription says on the cakemobile in Animal House:  <<Nope>>.   
I reiterate.....where in the constitution does it say a customer has the right to order a business person to make a certain kind product?

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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #356 on: June 06, 2018, 11:39:10 AM »
We should go find gay bakers and ask each of them to produce a cake for successful gay conversion therapy.  A celebration type thing.

There's been cases where a Muslim bakery has refused to make a cake for a gay "wedding".

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/hidden-camera-gay-wedding-cake-at-muslim-bakery/

No outrage from the left on this one...no civil rights violation charges being filed.
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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #357 on: June 06, 2018, 11:41:39 AM »
I wonder if there is a way to put a term on ignore?  Something like "Colorado baker" or "gay wedding cake"?  I know, it's my fault for ever having commented on this thread.   

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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #358 on: June 06, 2018, 11:51:18 AM »
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In general the civil rights commissions around the country were not put in place to ensure all people were treated equal.
That may be so, but that is not the question.

The Supreme Court determined that the Commission violated the civil rights of a the baker.

There should be some punishment.

That Commission enacted punishment to the baker for certain, so how does the Commission get punished for the crime the court found it executed?
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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #359 on: June 06, 2018, 11:57:09 AM »
That may be so, but that is not the question.

The Supreme Court determined that the Commission violated the civil rights of a the baker.

There should be some punishment.

That Commission enacted punishment to the baker for certain, so how does the Commission get punished for the crime the court found it executed?

It's a government agency so chances are - not a damned thing.

My guess is nothing happens and Phillips is no better than he was before, except maybe the fines that were imposed will not have to be paid.

But it will be interesting to see if the government sues him again for failure to comply with all the 'training' and reports he was ordered to force his staff to undergo.
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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #360 on: June 06, 2018, 12:04:48 PM »
I told you more than once - take a look at the Masterpiece Cakeshop website.   The gallery of items for sale and the instruction to choose from the items in the gallery or request a custom order.   If you don't like my term "off-the-shelf", then use the term "gallery" of items for sale that Phillips uses on his website.  These are non-custom designs, as per the website.   

Where we disagree is the record before the Court.  You apparently believe that Phillips would have provided a non-custom wedding cake to his gay customers.   I am not convinced of that.   

And as for your insinuation about my integrity - just like the inscription on the cakemobile in Animal House:  <<Nope>>.   

This is the same website and picture from before the lawsuit.  The difference you are ignoring is at the top of the wedding page it states:

Masterpiece Cakeshop is not currently accepting requests to create custom wedding cakes. Please check back in the future.
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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #361 on: June 06, 2018, 12:17:17 PM »
That may be so, but that is not the question.

The Supreme Court determined that the Commission violated the civil rights of a the baker.

There should be some punishment.

That Commission enacted punishment to the baker for certain, so how does the Commission get punished for the crime the court found it executed?

For a good indication of this, it's instructive to look at another case that was decided that same day.  The court mooted a case by the government that challenged an attempt to get a minor illegal immigrant an abortion.  It was moot because the ACLU got the illegal an abortion while the case was pending.  The government asked the SCOTUS to sanction the ACLU for throwing a monkey wrench in the process and it refused.
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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #362 on: June 06, 2018, 12:26:58 PM »
That may be so, but that is not the question.

The Supreme Court determined that the Commission violated the civil rights of a the baker.

There should be some punishment.

That Commission enacted punishment to the baker for certain, so how does the Commission get punished for the crime the court found it executed?

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The city should pay all of his legal costs and damages for starters.   Then they should be thrown out of office and prosecuted in criminal and civil court.
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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #363 on: June 06, 2018, 12:28:10 PM »
I wonder if there is a way to put a term on ignore?  Something like "Colorado baker" or "gay wedding cake"?  I know, it's my fault for ever having commented on this thread.   

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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #364 on: June 06, 2018, 12:32:55 PM »
I told you more than once - take a look at the Masterpiece Cakeshop website.

I have.  Several times.


The gallery of items for sale

No, the gallery is of items already created and sold.  Seriously, do you really expect some mom-and-pop baker to make wedding cakes in advance and store them in a cooler just hoping that someone walks in and buys it for a wedding taking place at that time?  Think, man.  Would a baker really invest that substantial amount of time and money to create something that would most likely spoil because people who have weddings plan ahead and order their cakes weeks in advance?

Good luck in finding someone whose last name starts with the letter 'P' and who needs a wedding cake tomorrow.  Maybe then you can unload this "off-the-shelf" cake for some buyer?  LMAO



And THIS is why you can't produce the evidence that backs up your claim.  It is because your claim is asinine to begin with.  But hey, it fits your narrative, which is why you even now continue to cling to it.  You clearly do not care how dishonest and stupid it makes you look.


These are non-custom designs, as per the website.

Still waiting on that link.  Because the Masterpiece Bakery website says no such thing.  You made it up.


Where we disagree is the record before the Court.  You apparently believe that Phillips would have provided a non-custom wedding cake to his gay customers.

If it was a gay man marrying a gay woman, then yes.  But of course that has nothing at all with what the court documents say.  They are clear.  The baker offered to bake any other cake for the customers.  But he does not make wedding cakes for same-sex weddings.  If you are the lawyer you claim to be, then you should have zero problem understanding the wording of the ruling.  But I suspect that you really aren't interested in truth here, but are only interested in pushing an agenda, and will tell any lie you can come up with to support it.


And as for your insinuation about my integrity -   

Your posts speak for themselves.
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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #365 on: June 06, 2018, 12:36:47 PM »
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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #366 on: June 06, 2018, 12:43:02 PM »
Still waiting on that link.  Because the Masterpiece Bakery website says no such thing.  You made it up.

Your posts speak for themselves.

Since he seems reluctant to post a link, here it is:

http://masterpiececakes.com/wedding-cakes/

It says in bold type at the top:
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Masterpiece Cakeshop is not currently accepting requests to create custom wedding cakes. Please check back in the future.
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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #367 on: June 06, 2018, 12:47:34 PM »
That button doesn't start a nuclear war.  It lights up the Christmas Tree on the White House lawn (at least that is what I think it does.  It doesn't get you off the "Latest Posts" hook.)

If you stop visiting the thread it will stop notifying you.

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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #368 on: June 06, 2018, 01:05:51 PM »
If you stop visiting the thread it will stop notifying you.

No, it will not.  If you have one post in a thread from months ago, you will be notified of unread posts whenever you click "Show new replies to your posts."  I've had to go back into threads and delete my posts to get those threads to stop showing up on that page.
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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #369 on: June 06, 2018, 01:08:23 PM »
I think it's about time to lock this thread...

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« Reply #370 on: June 06, 2018, 01:11:45 PM »
I think it's about time to lock this thread...

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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #371 on: June 06, 2018, 01:13:02 PM »
nooooo!  let it die a natural death

LOL....okay but there is other news out there.. :shrug:
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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #372 on: June 06, 2018, 01:15:15 PM »
LOL....okay but there is other news out there.. :shrug:

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« Reply #373 on: June 06, 2018, 01:16:41 PM »
...and there are better things to do that circling the drain entertaining circular arguments. 9999hair out0000

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Re: BREAKING>> SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado baker
« Reply #374 on: June 06, 2018, 01:17:51 PM »
Since he seems reluctant to post a link, here it is:

http://masterpiececakes.com/wedding-cakes/

It says in bold type at the top:


Jazzhead is talking about the gallery.  If you scroll through the gallery photos, you will see cakes that Jazzhead insists are sitting on the shelf waiting for a buyer.  And it is these ficticious cakes that Jazzhead insists were denied to the plaintiffs.
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