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Re: This Is Why We Will Never Register Our Guns Or Cooperate With Government Mandates
« Reply #75 on: May 23, 2018, 08:12:52 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on May 23, 2018, 08:09:26 pm
I was wondering when you were going to start up with this nonsense.  Took a little longer than I anticipated.  Thank goodness I've had some masturbatory fantasies to keep me busy in the meantime.

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Re: This Is Why We Will Never Register Our Guns Or Cooperate With Government Mandates
« Reply #76 on: May 23, 2018, 08:14:53 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on May 23, 2018, 08:05:03 pm
Read the predicate clause.  Read Heller.   The reasonable regulation of firearms does not constitute unlawful infringement.  Even ignoring the predicate clause, the right that shall not be infringed is the right to "keep and bear".   The 2A is silent about the rules for the transfer and disposition of firearms.   That is what registration is getting at - to create the effective conditions for documented transfers and dispositions of firearms, by assigning each firearm to its lawful owner. 

You are not the king who gets to implement your own fantasy of what the Constitution permits and does not permit.

Go back to the original topic of the thread and try again on how registration doesn't impact keeping your arms.
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« Reply #77 on: May 23, 2018, 08:16:43 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on May 23, 2018, 08:05:03 pm
Read the predicate clause.  Read Heller.   The reasonable regulation of firearms does not constitute unlawful infringement.  Even ignoring the predicate clause, the right that shall not be infringed is the right to "keep and bear".   The 2A is silent about the rules for the transfer and disposition of firearms.   That is what registration is getting at - to create the effective conditions for documented transfers and dispositions of firearms, by assigning each firearm to its lawful owner. 

 

I read the predicate clause and I read the only part of Heller that counts...the MAJORITY decision. 

You are fixated on the minority dissent because it fits your gun grabbing world view.

And no matter how you stomp your feet and cry it's not going to change the fact that Stevens was dead wrong and still is.

Just like you.

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You are not the king who gets to implement your own fantasy of what the Constitution permits and does not permit.

You're the only one around here trying to mandate governmental control of a free people against their will.

That is acting like a King.
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Re: This Is Why We Will Never Register Our Guns Or Cooperate With Government Mandates
« Reply #78 on: May 23, 2018, 08:17:36 pm »
Quote from: thackney on May 23, 2018, 08:14:53 pm
Go back to the original topic of the thread and try again on how registration doesn't impact keeping your arms.

@thackney according to Jazzy...registration never leads to confiscation.
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Re: This Is Why We Will Never Register Our Guns Or Cooperate With Government Mandates
« Reply #79 on: May 23, 2018, 08:23:02 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on May 23, 2018, 06:39:03 pm
[...] your willingness to thumb your nose at the law.   

It would not be law, but rather, color of law.
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Re: This Is Why We Will Never Register Our Guns Or Cooperate With Government Mandates
« Reply #80 on: May 23, 2018, 08:31:11 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on May 23, 2018, 07:27:49 pm
Who you don't care about is the community of your fellow Americans, [...]

You and your fellows are in no 'community' that includes me in the slightest...

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[...] and the Constitution that provides for our miracle of self-governance under the rule of law.

This is not the rule of law.
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Re: This Is Why We Will Never Register Our Guns Or Cooperate With Government Mandates
« Reply #81 on: May 23, 2018, 08:40:00 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on May 23, 2018, 08:05:03 pm
The reasonable regulation of firearms does not constitute unlawful infringement.

We say it does.  End of discussion.

You're gonna have to arm up your government to put their guns to our heads to attempt to force compliance with your "laws".

It's that simple.

We have a history of defying 'laws' from tyrants that infringe upon our inalienable and Natural Rights.  Whether that be one tyrant 3,000 miles away, or 3 thousand tyrants one mile away.

Quote from: Jazzhead on May 23, 2018, 08:05:03 pm
That is what registration is getting at - to create the effective conditions for documented transfers and dispositions of firearms, by assigning each firearm to its lawful owner. 

BULLSHIT.  As the original news items that started this thread illustrate - confiscation and imprisonment for merely possessing them is the goal.

I view your government as no less than the NKVD or the SS or the Gestapo, so disarming us is the first step to a mass grave.  Do the math.

Quote from: Jazzhead on May 23, 2018, 08:05:03 pm
You are not the king who gets to implement your own fantasy of what the Constitution permits and does not permit.

Says the person pretending to be king and lecturing us about what you say the Constitution permits and what rights can be reasonably regulated into a privilege granted by the whim of government bureaucrats after we jump through enough hoops, pay enough fees and endure all the red tape.  Then MAYBE, we can exercise our "rights' under strict government limitations.

If at all.

So no.  Pound sand Turkey.

Arm up.  Come and take 'em.

We be waiting.
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Re: This Is Why We Will Never Register Our Guns Or Cooperate With Government Mandates
« Reply #82 on: May 23, 2018, 08:43:20 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on May 23, 2018, 07:33:45 pm
If the Peoples' elected representatives decide to require Constitutionally-permissible firearms registration, then respect for the nation, IMO, morally obligates you and me to comply.

Nope. The only way you will ever know how many guns I own, and where they all are, is to come and see for yourself. You will in no way impose upon me that very same crap you've imposed on yourself and found an incredible failure.

Why won't you reject that which already provably doesn't work where you are? Why do you insist upon imposing your idiocy upon me? Chicago, as an example, has some of the strictest gun laws and is among the most violent places in the nation. You can't get guns registered in a 250 square mile area... How the hell do you think it is going to work across the nation?
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Re: This Is Why We Will Never Register Our Guns Or Cooperate With Government Mandates
« Reply #83 on: May 23, 2018, 09:08:04 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on May 23, 2018, 08:09:26 pm
I was wondering when you were going to start up with this nonsense.  Took a little longer than I anticipated.  Thank goodness I've had some masturbatory fantasies to keep me busy in the meantime.

As soon as anyone blows out his prevarications with the obvious black and white 'shall not be infringed' JH starts in with the Heller wiggling. Like clockwork.
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Re: This Is Why We Will Never Register Our Guns Or Cooperate With Government Mandates
« Reply #84 on: May 23, 2018, 09:44:41 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on May 23, 2018, 09:08:04 pm
As soon as anyone blows out his prevarications with the obvious black and white 'shall not be infringed' JH starts in with the Heller wiggling. Like clockwork.

Or the "Predicate Clause."  This is literally playing ridiculous games with grammar in an attempt to twist the meaning of the plainly written text.  Right up there with the on-line grammar police we see every day.
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Re: This Is Why We Will Never Register Our Guns Or Cooperate With Government Mandates
« Reply #85 on: May 23, 2018, 09:54:04 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on May 23, 2018, 08:09:33 pm
Oh, the term idiot is quite apt.  Two centuries of court precedents establish that the reasonable regulation of firearms is not unlawful infringement.  Yet you continue to reside in Cloudcuckooland.

Like I already stated.... that you have the nerve to call anyone "else" an idiot (or whatever insult Cloudcuckooland is supposed to imply) is hilarious.  Un-self-aware much?

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Re: This Is Why We Will Never Register Our Guns Or Cooperate With Government Mandates
« Reply #86 on: May 23, 2018, 09:54:47 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on May 23, 2018, 09:44:41 pm
Or the "Predicate Clause."  This is literally playing ridiculous games with grammar in an attempt to twist the meaning of the plainly written text.  Right up there with the on-line grammar police we see every day.

We only THINK we know what plain english means. Thank goodness for lawyers to tell us how wrong we are.
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« Reply #87 on: May 23, 2018, 09:58:43 pm »
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(or whatever insult Cloudcuckooland is supposed to imply)

Aristophanes.  From his play The Birds.
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« Reply #88 on: May 23, 2018, 09:59:00 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on May 23, 2018, 08:09:33 pm
Oh, the term idiot is quite apt.  Two centuries of court precedents establish that the reasonable regulation of firearms is not unlawful infringement.  Yet you continue to reside in Cloudcuckooland.

2 Centuries? Courts didn't bother with it till after the Civil War.
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Re: This Is Why We Will Never Register Our Guns Or Cooperate With Government Mandates
« Reply #89 on: May 23, 2018, 09:59:56 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on May 23, 2018, 09:54:47 pm
We only THINK we know what plain english means. Thank goodness for lawyers to tell us how wrong we are.

The 2A is notorious for not being written in plain English.
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« Reply #90 on: May 23, 2018, 10:03:50 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on May 23, 2018, 09:59:56 pm
The 2A is notorious for not being written in plain English.

@Jazzhead

The 2nd is quite plain.  Straightforward and easy to understand.

Unless you're trying to twist it to mean something different.
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« Reply #91 on: May 23, 2018, 10:04:47 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on May 23, 2018, 08:09:26 pm
I was wondering when you were going to start up with this nonsense.  Took a little longer than I anticipated.  Thank goodness I've had some masturbatory fantasies to keep me busy in the meantime.

@RoosGirl

You dont say.
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Re: This Is Why We Will Never Register Our Guns Or Cooperate With Government Mandates
« Reply #92 on: May 23, 2018, 10:09:44 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on May 23, 2018, 08:09:26 pm
I was wondering when you were going to start up with this nonsense.  Took a little longer than I anticipated.  Thank goodness I've had some masturbatory fantasies to keep me busy in the meantime.

 8888forgot

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« Reply #93 on: May 23, 2018, 10:18:41 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on May 23, 2018, 10:09:44 pm
8888forgot

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Now boys, you'll have to read back through Jazz's comments to see what I've been accused of fantasizing about.
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« Reply #94 on: May 23, 2018, 10:23:00 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on May 23, 2018, 10:18:41 pm
@driftdiver
@roamer_1

Now boys, you'll have to read back through Jazz's comments to see what I've been accused of fantasizing about.

Get yo mama to read through that.... :whistle:
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« Reply #95 on: May 23, 2018, 10:25:51 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on May 23, 2018, 10:18:41 pm
@driftdiver
@roamer_1

Now boys, you'll have to read back through Jazz's comments to see what I've been accused of fantasizing about.

@RoosGirl
Oh I know exactly what's goin on... I was just pokin fun...
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« Reply #96 on: May 23, 2018, 11:36:10 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on May 23, 2018, 10:23:00 pm
Get yo mama to read through that.... :whistle:

Did I speel somthin rong?
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« Reply #97 on: May 23, 2018, 11:43:26 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on May 23, 2018, 10:18:41 pm
@driftdiver
@roamer_1

Now boys, you'll have to read back through Jazz's comments to see what I've been accused of fantasizing about.

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« Reply #98 on: May 24, 2018, 12:05:17 am »
Quote from: skeeter on May 23, 2018, 09:54:47 pm
We only THINK we know what plain english means. Thank goodness for lawyers to tell us how wrong we are.

I told one of these guys last night I wasn't going to argue with him.  He told me to STFU.... *****rollingeyes*****

I guess even I didn't understand my own words.
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« Reply #99 on: May 24, 2018, 12:06:44 am »
Quote from: RoosGirl on May 23, 2018, 11:36:10 pm
Did I speel somthin rong?

U dindo nuffin rong....
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