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By Andrew West 
May 19, 2018

If you were to ask me, this entire Stormy Daniels saga has been going on for way, way too long, especially given how obvious the publicity stunt is.

Let’s remind ourselves of a little logical device called Occam’s Razor.

Occam’s razor (or Ockham’s razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the simpler one is usually better. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation is.

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In the case of Stormy Daniels, we are to assume that an affair between she and Donald Trump occurred approximately a dozen years ago, possibly while Melania Trump was pregnant with Barron.  After the affair, Trump allegedly made Stormy sign an NDA and then paid her $130,000 through his lawyer to keep quiet.  Now, 12 years later, Stormy is claiming that the NDA was invalid because it was never signed by Trump himself, who, at that time, was simply a business mogul in New York City.

The Occam’s Razor explanation is much simpler:  Stormy extorted Trump for $130,000 claiming there was an affair, (as the two had met on several occasions during that era).  Seeing that Trump is now President of the United States, and Daniels is still trying to eek out a living as an adult actress and dancer while pushing 40 years old, the publicity from her absurd claims has driven customers to witness her “Make America Horny Again” strip club tour by the hundreds making for a pretty payday for the over-the-hill porn actress.

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I'm not a strip club kind of guy. I always wondered if the guys there realized that every single thing that they say and do is being recorded. Hope those recordings don't wind up in the wrong hands.

The last time I went to a strip club was in Chicago with some associates many years ago. It was run by the mob. All the girls stripping/prostituting there were between 18 to 25 years old. The prostitution was illegal, of course, as were the rooms in the back. If you knew somebody and had cash you could rent the girls from the bartender, but I would not recommend talking to anyone about it.

I can honestly say that during my time in the military and in my world travel, I have never actually seen a 40 year old stripper who is also a single mom. In my limited experience, many 40+ year old moms are actually flattered that anyone would want to see them naked. And they are usually already past the inhibitions of getting nude. If you want to see a 40+ year old mom naked, you shouldn't have to pay for it, at least not much. If they are not married, just simply ask them.
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Re: Sullied Stormy Stomps Offstage As Publicity Stunt Steams Ahead
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2018, 01:33:07 pm »
I think the Stormy Daniels affair is being kept in the news by two interrelated things: (1) Trump and his associates continuing to mismanage it (e.g., Trump and Cohen’s continued conflicting stories about it) and (2) Stormy hiring an attorney in Michael Avenatti who might be better than Trump at leveraging the media to his advantage.  Every inconsistent and conflicting story that comes from the Trump camp plays right into Avenatti’s hands and keeps the story in the news:  just more unforced errors IMO.
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Re: Sullied Stormy Stomps Offstage As Publicity Stunt Steams Ahead
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2018, 02:10:55 pm »
I think the Stormy Daniels affair is being kept in the news by two interrelated things: (1) Trump and his associates continuing to mismanage it (e.g., Trump and Cohen’s continued conflicting stories about it) and (2) Stormy hiring an attorney in Michael Avenatti who might be better than Trump at leveraging the media to his advantage.  Every inconsistent and conflicting story that comes from the Trump camp plays right into Avenatti’s hands and keeps the story in the news:  just more unforced errors IMO.


Does it hurt Trump or help him to have this farce out front?


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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2018, 02:20:15 pm »

Does it hurt Trump or help him to have this farce out front?
@endicom

So far, it has rather helped Trump. It exposes the MSM as the vicious piranha 'Resist' organization that they are. And it discredits the MSM with a large portion of America who do not want to spend their news-time listening to reports about some porn star, especially with so much 'real news' happening all over the world every day.

CNN as the standard-bearer along with the rest of the DNC media machine are circling the toilet in terms of audience. Nobody seems to care about all this crap except the fake-news networks. Nobody cares. Nobody is interested. And they just refuse to accept that at any cost.
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2018, 02:31:04 pm »
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The Occam’s Razor explanation is much simpler:  Stormy extorted Trump for $130,000 claiming there was an affair, (as the two had met on several occasions during that era).


Except for the fact that the NDA and settlement was for an amount similar to the one reached with Karen McDougal in 2015, through the same attorney involved with Cohen - Keith Davidson.  So, if someone was being honest about the simplest explanation, they’d have to wonder who sought out whom.
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2018, 02:36:43 pm »

Does it hurt Trump or help him to have this farce out front?

I can’t see how stories of alleged infidelity and hush money can “help” the President.  Of course, it’s not going to affect his base:  for many of them, they’ll defend any and everything he does.  Similarly for the haters, many of them will criticize any and everything he does, but for those not on the fringes, I don’t think the changing/conflicting stories about an alleged affair with a porn star “helps” retaining or gaining their support.
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2018, 02:39:04 pm »
I can’t see how stories of alleged infidelity and hush money can “help” the President.


Are either Daniels or Avenatti coming across as being credible?


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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2018, 02:47:39 pm »

Are either Daniels or Avenatti coming across as being credible?

To his base?  Of course not -- I can't imagine anyone criticizing the President would be credible to many of them.  To the haters?  Of course they find them credible -- they'll embrace any criticism as credible regardless of source.  To those not on the fringe?  I suspect it's a mixed bag with some finding Daniels and Avenatti credible and some finding them overexposed and/or not credible. 

Regardless, I can't see allegations of infidelity and hush money with a porn star increasing his voting base much beyond the 46.1% he garnered in 2016.  JMO.
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2018, 02:51:31 pm »

Are either Daniels or Avenatti coming across as being credible?

That is the bane of CNN. They want so feverishly for this thing to bring down Trump, but the players in the accusation are themselves far from Saintly participants. Both are known Democrats operatives. Both have been in trouble with the Law. And Avenatti is currently being considered for disbarment for past illegal acts.

It is a sandcastle scandal. But for primarily CNN sacrificing their network ratings to continue to push it, it would have come and gone months ago. There have been several Presidents who had affairs, and nobody ever expected Trump to be a priest. We knew all this going in.
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2018, 03:26:20 pm »
The NDA was signed by Daniels in 2016, not 2006.  And the payment was in 2016, not 2006.

The author can’t get basic facts straight, so the remainder of his screed, which depends on his false facts, is also suspect. 

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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2018, 03:41:30 pm »
(2) Stormy hiring an attorney in Michael Avenatti who might be better than Trump at leveraging the media to his advantage.  Every inconsistent and conflicting story that comes from the Trump camp plays right into Avenatti’s hands and keeps the story in the news:  just more unforced errors IMO.

Are you even paying attention? Avenatti is now staring down the barrel of prison time for serious tax evasion, he has been caught in multiple lies and his case is going nowhere since he started this mission for his employers at the DNC. Christ, he has been reduced to sending bizarre cease and desist letters to the Daily Caller he is so pathetic.

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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2018, 03:47:21 pm »
The NDA was signed by Daniels in 2016, not 2006.  And the payment was in 2016, not 2006.

The author can’t get basic facts straight, so the remainder of his screed, which depends on his false facts, is also suspect.

Yeah, I thought so too.

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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2018, 03:55:43 pm »
Are you even paying attention? Avenatti is now staring down the barrel of prison time for serious tax evasion, he has been caught in multiple lies and his case is going nowhere since he started this mission for his employers at the DNC. Christ, he has been reduced to sending bizarre cease and desist letters to the Daily Caller he is so pathetic.

He ain't the only one caught in multiple lies.

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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2018, 04:02:40 pm »
The Daily Caller
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7:26 PM 05/18/2018

Attorneys representing embattled Trump fixer Michael Cohen asked a federal court in New York to deny Michael Avenatti’s request to appear and represent Stormy Daniels in an ongoing dispute over the April 9 search of Cohen’s office.

Avenatti, who is not licensed to practice law in New York, is seeking the court’s permission to appear on Daniels’ behalf in the Cohen case. Cohen lawyers argued Friday the request should be denied.

“The ongoing inaccurate statements started the very day Mr. Avenatti announced at a press conference his representation of Ms. Clifford,” the filing reads. “Since then, he has made numerous claims against Mr. Cohen that lack accuracy and factual support. Mr. Avenatti appears to be primarily focused on smearing Mr. Cohen publicly in his efforts to further his own interest in garnering as much media attention as possible.”

Rule 3.6 of the New York Rules of Professional Conduct provides that attorneys should not make out of court statements which could prejudice a pending matter.

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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2018, 04:03:41 pm »
Are you even paying attention? Avenatti is now staring down the barrel of prison time for serious tax evasion, he has been caught in multiple lies and his case is going nowhere since he started this mission for his employers at the DNC. Christ, he has been reduced to sending bizarre cease and desist letters to the Daily Caller he is so pathetic.

To answer your question, yes, I've been paying attention.  I'll believe it when I see Avenatti in prison for "serious tax evasion".   As the President would say:  "We'll see". 

My point is that Trump and Cohen's mismanagement of this matter has allowed Avenatti to continue to point out the inconsistencies and keep this story in the news.  If you think that "helps" the President, you and I simply disagreed (yet again).
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« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2018, 04:45:29 pm »
Are you even paying attention? Avenatti is now staring down the barrel of prison time for serious tax evasion...

Michael Cohen, already under pressure from a federal criminal investigation into his business and financial dealings, has been hit this month with more than $185,000 in new state warrants for unpaid taxes on his taxicab companies.

Added to his previous tab, that brings the total to $282,000 owed to New York state by 16 taxi medallion-holding companies owned by Cohen or members of his family, including Mad Dog Cab Corp., Smoochie Cab Corp., Golden Child Cab Corp. and N.Y. Futon Taxi Corp. A lawyer for Cohen declined to comment.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-01/michael-cohen-hit-with-new-taxi-taxes-owes-new-york-282-000


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...he has been caught in multiple lies and his case is going nowhere since he started this mission for his employers at the DNC.

According to The Wall Street Journal (WSJ), longtime Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen arranged the payout to Stephanie Clifford in October of 2016.

In a statement emailed to the Independent, an attorney for Mr Cohen denounced the story as a “Complete and utter lie”.

“This is recycled old fake news that has no validity whatsoever and everyone named, including Mr. Cohen vehemently denies this,” attorney David Schwartz said in an email. “It is fake news like this that has people questioning what is real and what is fake”.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/trump-porn-star-payment-silence-stephanie-clifford-stormy-daniels-lawyer-michael-cohen-report-wsj-a8156761.html

In February, Cohen told CBS News that neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign "was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment."  He also said the payment to Clifford was "not a campaign contribution or a campaign expenditure by anyone." However, the WSJ also reported that after Mr. Trump won the presidency, Cohen complained to his friends that he hadn't been reimbursed for the payment to Clifford.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-lawyer-complained-he-wasnt-reimbursed-for-130k-payment-to-porn-star-report/

“I spoke with Michael Cohen yesterday, and his remark about Giuliani, was that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about,” Deutsch said. “He also said look, there are two people that know exactly what happened. And that’s myself and the president. And you’ll be hearing my side of the story.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-deutsch-michael-cohen-told-me-giuliani-doesnt-know-what-hes-talking-about/

Michael Cohen, President Trump’s personal attorney, said in court papers Wednesday he will assert his Fifth Amendment right to avoid self-incrimination in an investigation involving his payment of hush money to porn star Stormy Daniels.

Mr. Cohen said a recent raid by the FBI on his home, office and hotel room have left him fearful of potential criminal charges. He said he was following the advice of his lawyer, who suggested he assert his right to remain silent in the Daniels case.


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/25/michael-cohen-plead-fifth-stormy-daniels-lawsuit/


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Christ, he has been reduced to sending bizarre cease and desist letters to the Daily Caller he is so pathetic.

In 2015, for example, Cohen made on-the-record threats to a Daily Beast reporter. The publication was working on a story on Ivana Trump's rape allegations against her then-husband, which she has since recanted, during their bitter divorce battle in the 1980s.

"I'm warning you, tread very f---ing lightly," Cohen told the Daily Beast's Tim Mak, "because what I'm going to do to you is going to be f---ing disgusting."


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-cohen-trump-personal-lawyer/


I thought a lot of this sounded familiar.
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