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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #50 on: April 09, 2018, 11:35:52 pm »
What do you think President Trump should do about it?     

He cannot do a thing at this point.

His fatal mistake was not cleaning out the swamp by putting his own people into all major positions in his cabinet.   

Too late to stop what is going to happen now.  If Trump actually attempts to arrest this before it becomes an overt coup - he will be hanging himself in the process or literally have to declare himself a dictator to avoid what is going to be done to him.

This is a mess beyond fixing now.  All we can do it ride the collapse on down and pray we're not buried under the ashes to the point we suffocate to death.

And that is not even counting the crap going on overseas or South of our border.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #51 on: April 09, 2018, 11:40:37 pm »
He cannot do a thing at this point.

His fatal mistake was not cleaning out the swamp by putting his own people into all major positions in his cabinet.   

Too late to stop what is going to happen now.  If Trump actually attempts to arrest this before it becomes an overt coup - he will be hanging himself in the process or literally have to declare himself a dictator to avoid what is going to be done to him.

This is a mess beyond fixing now.  All we can do it ride the collapse on down and pray we're not buried under the ashes to the point we suffocate to death.

And that is not even counting the crap going on overseas or South of our border.

Presidents have to learn that the day they are sworn in is fire all these political appointees from prior admins and their flunky subordinates.

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #52 on: April 09, 2018, 11:42:48 pm »
He cannot do a thing at this point.

His fatal mistake was not cleaning out the swamp by putting his own people into all major positions in his cabinet.

It is impossible to drain the swamp after solidly allying yourself with it for three years.  The very idea of appointing Mr. GOPe himself, Reince Priebus, as Chief of Staff speaks volumes.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #53 on: April 09, 2018, 11:47:54 pm »
Where does he go from here?

You're the POTUS under these circumstances.   There's no 'right or wrong' answer, @INVAR

Tell us how you could save our Republic...under any means.

The Romans tried to get back the idea of a Republic after Julius - you know how that turned out.

I think we are far too gone to salvage the idea of a Republic.  I would love to be proven wrong for the sake of my own posterity. But the reality is too many make their money off a fascistic relationship with DC - and money talks and everything else walks.  I saw how corruption works in the halls of power in Cook County, IL.  There is no way to end such rot than to nuke the site from orbit just to make sure it's dead.  It infects everything.   

Another reality is that more than half the population wants a nanny state, more than half of them are dependent on government subsidy and we have a virtual open borders policy with a debt more egregious than we can possibly pay back in several lifetimes. The consequences of all of this we have not even begun to feel yet.

We would literally have to start over - and that is not gonna happen without this people taking a risk that no one wants to contemplate taking.  We are not the mettle of people our forbears or grandparents were.  We no longer value the things that maintain a Republic.  Hell, we cannot even agree among ourselves how to define liberty.

John Adams was prophetic in terms of where we now find ourselves.  Of course realizing where you are and the reality of the situation is the first step to actually taking measures to rectify where you have arrived.

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #54 on: April 09, 2018, 11:57:53 pm »

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This probably establishes that Trump really isn’t under investigation.  If he were, raiding his lawyers would taint everything.

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #55 on: April 10, 2018, 12:03:52 am »
The Romans tried to get back the idea of a Republic after Julius - you know how that turned out.

I think we are far too gone to salvage the idea of a Republic.  I would love to be proven wrong for the sake of my own posterity. But the reality is too many make their money off a fascistic relationship with DC - and money talks and everything else walks.  I saw how corruption works in the halls of power in Cook County, IL.  There is no way to end such rot than to nuke the site from orbit just to make sure it's dead.  It infects everything.   

Another reality is that more than half the population wants a nanny state, more than half of them are dependent on government subsidy and we have a virtual open borders policy with a debt more egregious than we can possibly pay back in several lifetimes. The consequences of all of this we have not even begun to feel yet.

We would literally have to start over - and that is not gonna happen without this people taking a risk that no one wants to contemplate taking.  We are not the mettle of people our forbears or grandparents were.  We no longer value the things that maintain a Republic.  Hell, we cannot even agree among ourselves how to define liberty.

John Adams was prophetic in terms of where we now find ourselves.  Of course realizing where you are and the reality of the situation is the first step to actually taking measures to rectify where you have arrived.

"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it." - John Adams, July 7th 1775

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #56 on: April 10, 2018, 12:06:35 am »
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This probably establishes that Trump really isn’t under investigation.  If he were, raiding his lawyers would taint everything.

 :shrug:

Remember the time they raided Hillary's Chappaqua, NY, or Washington, DC's houses?


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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #57 on: April 10, 2018, 12:18:29 am »
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This probably establishes that Trump really isn’t under investigation.  If he were, raiding his lawyers would taint everything.

 :shrug:

It's all about muddying the waters just enough so Trump won't be re-elected.

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« Reply #59 on: April 10, 2018, 12:19:02 am »
It is impossible to drain the swamp after solidly allying yourself with it for three years.  The very idea of appointing Mr. GOPe himself, Reince Priebus, as Chief of Staff speaks volumes.

Nothing short of a military coup will "drain the swamp", it's a pipe dream.

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #60 on: April 10, 2018, 12:19:13 am »
Remember the time they raided Hillary's Chappaqua, NY, or Washington, DC's houses?


...me neither.

No kidding.

Nothing being done about the Awan  family and Debbie Wasserman Shultz, either.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #61 on: April 10, 2018, 12:22:20 am »
At the risk of sounding uninformed.... what crime was committed... what law was broken...

to justify this raid?

Anybody?
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« Reply #62 on: April 10, 2018, 12:23:12 am »
At the risk of sounding uninformed.... what crime was committed... what law was broken...

to justify this raid?

Anybody?

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #63 on: April 10, 2018, 12:23:55 am »
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This probably establishes that Trump really isn’t under investigation.  If he were, raiding his lawyers would taint everything.

 :shrug:


Instapundit obviously hasn’t been paying attention to the investigation.  Mueller got Manafort and Gates through their lawyer.  If the lawyer is doing something illegal for you, it negates the privilege and puts everyone in legal jeopardy.


Lawyers for Manafort and Gates fought the prosecution's drive to intrude on attorney-client communications. But Chief Judge Beryl Howell of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that an exception, which involves using a lawyer to commit crime or fraud, applied to contacts with an attorney who helped respond to inquiries about why the pair had not filed foreign-agent lobbying registrations with the Justice Department.

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #64 on: April 10, 2018, 12:25:15 am »
Going against the Swamp.

Oh... then I am uninformed, after all.  I didn't realize that they had made that into a law...."can't go against the deep state".  Seriously.... isn't this a major over-reach of ""authority"".... the same kind that the idiot left loves to accuse Trump of?

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« Reply #65 on: April 10, 2018, 12:25:37 am »
At the risk of sounding uninformed.... what crime was committed... what law was broken...

to justify this raid?

Anybody?


Possibly bank fraud and/or campaign finance laws.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #66 on: April 10, 2018, 12:28:03 am »

Possibly bank fraud and/or campaign finance laws.

Considering that it concerns an attorney... who is (supposedly) familiar with "the law".... that seems unlikely.  Guess we'll find out....
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« Reply #67 on: April 10, 2018, 12:32:20 am »
No kidding.

Nothing being done about the Aswan family and Debbie Wasserman Shultz, either.

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« Reply #68 on: April 10, 2018, 12:32:47 am »
Oh... then I am uninformed, after all.  I didn't realize that they had made that into a law...."can't go against the deep state".  Seriously.... isn't this a major over-reach of ""authority"".... the same kind that the idiot left loves to accuse Trump of?

 :shrug:

The warrant request will be sealed for a while, and unless there's a leak or release by Cohen, we don't have the statutes listed for investigation.  All we can do is speculate.

Could be something like bank fraud for borrowing to pay off Stormy Daniels.  But there are indications this is more into broader business dealings.  We just have to wait to find out.
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« Reply #69 on: April 10, 2018, 12:33:12 am »

Possibly bank fraud and/or campaign finance laws.

Charlie Trie and Johnnie Chung got no prison time for funneling a million dollars into Clinton's pockets from Communist China. Trump's lawyer pays a whore a few bucks and his office full of client privileged files is raided by the Feds.

There is a problem here.

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« Reply #70 on: April 10, 2018, 12:34:05 am »
At the risk of sounding uninformed.... what crime was committed... what law was broken...

to justify this raid?

Anybody?

The primary crime here is that Donald Trump dared to exit the plantation.  If he was still a Democrat, none of this would be happening.  He would be the darling of CNN, MSNBC, etc.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #71 on: April 10, 2018, 12:34:25 am »

Possibly bank fraud and/or campaign finance laws.

Obviously only when it does not involve a Clinton or a Leftist Democrat, they are exempt from such "laws" being applied to them.

Under the watchful eye and acquiescence of the Republican party to boot.

I think the Oligarchy is simply showing everyone who really runs the show.
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« Reply #72 on: April 10, 2018, 12:34:45 am »
Charlie Trie and Johnnie Chung got no prison time for funneling a million dollars into Clinton's pockets from Communist China. Trump's lawyer pays a whore a few bucks and his office full of client privileged files is raided by the Feds.

There is a problem here.


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« Reply #73 on: April 10, 2018, 12:34:58 am »
Considering that it concerns an attorney... who is (supposedly) familiar with "the law".... that seems unlikely.  Guess we'll find out....


Right....because attorneys never break the law?  With Cohen, you’ve got what’s likely a perfect storm of ignorance and arrogance.  He probably wasn’t aware of the pitfalls behind the payment, so close to the election.  He’s not a specialist in that kind of law.  Also, he probably never thought the info would get out.  According to Bannon, there’s a lot of these women out there with payoffs and NDAs.  We may find out from the information gleaned in the raid.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #74 on: April 10, 2018, 12:37:28 am »
The warrant request will be sealed for a while, and unless there's a leak or release by Cohen, we don't have the statutes listed for investigation.  All we can do is speculate.

Could be something like bank fraud for borrowing to pay off Stormy Daniels.  But there are indications this is more into broader business dealings.  We just have to wait to find out.

I don't give a crap, I don't care.

Not until Hillary and Bill Clinton and Wasserman Schultz and Huma Abedin are wearing orange behind bars.

They have been illustrated to have done far more egregious violations of law - to the point of treason and they are protected by the very Praetorians going full tilt on Trump.

Nope.  We're just watching what happens after a velvet coup.
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