FBI raids Trump lawyer's office

[INVAR]

Thats a convenient distinction to make for your argument, but your first sentence neatly summarizes  what many of us whom you regularly condemn feel we are supporting.

I get the same argument from those pastors who tell me that they are supporting the Gospel by having homosexual Marriage in their congregation and promoting Chrislam from the pulpit.

They say it is filling their pews and the donation baskets.

I simply recognize that as apostasy.

Yeah, they win numbers and fill their seats with Muslims and the debased who have no desire to conform to biblical standards, simply chalk-up another victory that their demand for acceptance and celebration wins another chump.  But they've sold their souls to Satan, and have in reality won nothing.   

[DCPatriot]

@skeeter Unfortunately, I've also see this argument accompanied by the idea that, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."  ;(

IMO, the speed-of-light national school walk-out, where non-cooperating students were suspended...was a turning point of sorts in terms of the Left's adrenaline rush.

They're diving full steam to tear it all down...as we've known it.   It got them aroused.

These are tantamount to the Hitler Youth...indoctrinated in their 'Principles'.

Add it all up....it's frightening.

[skeeter]

I get the same argument from those pastors who tell me that they are supporting the Gospel by having homosexual Marriage in their congregation and promoting Chrislam from the pulpit.

They say it is filling their pews and the donation baskets.

I simply recognize that as apostasy.

Yeah, they win numbers and fill their seats with Muslims and the debased who have no desire to conform to biblical standards, simply chalk-up another victory that their demand for acceptance and celebration wins another chump.  But they've sold their souls to Satan, and have in reality won nothing.

I understand and agree, having recently been driven out of the church I've attended for thirty years for exactly the same reason.

But that has nothing to do with what I've said here.

[INVAR]

I understand and agree, having recently been driven out of the church I've attended for thirty years for exactly the same reason.

But that has nothing to do with what I've said here.

You don't see the connection between politically surrendering principles for expedience to 'win a war' and what happened when churches did the same thing to 'win' converts?

That's disconcerting.

[dfwgator]

And meanwhile.... while all of this domestic BS is ongoing.... we could very well be about to get into a real shooting war over Syria.  I can see it now... Russia is launching missiles over the USA, they're going off, but still CNN and the lamestream media are talking about "Stormy" and impeaching Trump.

"Nevermind that s__t.....Here Comes Mongo!"

[aligncare]

Then there is no point fighting at all if principles are not the reason one is willing to go into combat for.

If I'm required to sacrifice my principles in order to "win", then I've won absolutely nothing at all, and have simply traded one form of despotism for another.

What you are advocating sir, by advocating we abandon principles in order to 'win', is a French Revolution styled bloodbath.

I will not be party to that.

I’m not asking that you start kicking puppies or cussing your mom. I’m talking about preserving America as we knew it. If we don’t stop the political Left (democrats) – and if there ever was a time it’s now – we will lose America as founded.

[skeeter]

You don't see the connection between politically surrendering principles for expedience to 'win a war' and what happened when churches did the same thing to 'win' converts?

That's disconcerting.

Perhaps its because of the vague use of the term 'principles'.

You've already acknowledged that fighting for a just-cause war based on principles of liberty against a lawless and tyrannical power is a righteous thing.

Maybe you can tell me what line you would not cross, and that others here have endorsed crossing, in service of this goal.

[Restored]

Bottom line: None of this Stormy stuff happened while Trump was in political office so it is meaningless.
Note: I would LOVE to go into the midterms with Trump gone but I can't imagine the Democrats throwing that advantage away. 

[INVAR]

I’m not asking that you start kicking puppies or cussing your mom. I’m talking about preserving America as we knew it. If we don’t stop the political Left (democrats) – and if there ever was a time it’s now – we will lose America as founded.

Tying my wagon to a lifelong Liberal Democrat spewing populist talking points, or supporting a wholly corrupted pretend opposition party that has outdone the Democrats in funding and making their agenda their own, is not my idea of fighting the Political Left.   

You have a society and culture to recapture and reeducate before you can expect politics to reflect an America as it was intended upon it's founding. 

That does not happen by electing people to high office.  That simply ensures our fate because we were not a country founded from the top on down, but the bottom on up.

[truth_seeker]

It was fortunate for our brand new republic, and its progeny with their principles, that the Sons of Liberty did not share your view.

He's all loud talk, period.

[aligncare]

Tying my wagon to a lifelong Liberal Democrat spewing populist talking points, or supporting a wholly corrupted pretend opposition party that has outdone the Democrats in funding and making their agenda their own, is not my idea of fighting the Political Left.   

You have a society and culture to recapture and reeducate before you can expect politics to reflect an America as it was intended upon it's founding. 

That does not happen by electing people to high office.  That simply ensures our fate because we were not a country founded from the top on down, but the bottom on up.

Okay, I give up. You’re right. Principles [The Perfect] are better than [The Good]:  Stopping the hijack of America as founded.

Aside; has anyone ever convinced you of anything? Averting a constitutional crisis carry any sway with you? The thought of a speaker Pelosi gaveling impeachment hearings give you any pause? Anything?

[INVAR]

Perhaps its because of the vague use of the term 'principles'.

You've already acknowledged that fighting for a just-cause war based on principles of liberty against a lawless and tyrannical power is a righteous thing.

Maybe you can tell me what line you would not cross, and that others here have endorsed crossing, in service of this goal.

I think the election in 2016 answers that question.

But then, I was told I am an enemy of the state for refusing to support Trump and that my 'treason' will be dealt with 'when the time comes', so obviously my definitions of principles and liberty and lines I will not cross are totally incompatible with what the majority of Republicans are now willing to think and do.


In fact I'm having an argument right now with "Trump Conservatives" over imposing gun registration schemes and using the government to regulate Facebook.

[INVAR]

He's all loud talk, period.

Perhaps you would be so good as to show us all how you properly tar and feather a public official then Mr. Action.

[skeeter]

I think the election in 2016 answers that question.

But then, I was told I am an enemy of the state for refusing to support Trump and that my 'treason' will be dealt with 'when the time comes', so obviously my definitions of principles and liberty and lines I will not cross are totally incompatible with what the majority of Republicans are now willing to think and do.


In fact I'm having an argument right now with "Trump Conservatives" over imposing gun registration schemes and using the government to regulate Facebook.

And my simply supporting Trump puts me right up there with the 'Good Germans', when in reality all I'm doing is making the best I can with the world as it is.

I cannot wait until this stupid debate finally sputters out.

[INVAR]

Okay, I give up. You’re right. Principles [The Perfect] are better than [The Good]:  Stopping the hijack of America as founded.

Without principles (the perfect) you stand for nothing (the good) and can be conformed to whatever flight of fancy or wind of doctrine and policy tickles your senses.  You'll simply preside over the hijack of America as founded and regard yourself a patriot, even when we've been fundamentally transformed into Socialist Mobocracy in debt to the tune of trillions.

Aside; has anyone ever convinced you of anything?

No Leftist, Statist, Hedonist or Populist has ever convinced me their ideas or position was one I needed to adopt as my own.

However, @Frank Cannon has convinced me that I'm a dick - and I embrace his view of that, though I admit I have no intention of repenting.

Averting a constitutional crisis carry any sway with you?

Your party and president drafting trillion dollar omnibus spending bills in secret and passing them without anyone reading them carry any sway with you?

I thought not.

The thought of a speaker Pelosi gaveling impeachment hearings give you any pause? Anything?

Not enough to support a corrupted Republican party if that is your angle.  They have sown their own fate and I think the GOP leadership is just fine with the impeachment of Trump.

Sets the permanent precedent to show everyone that the Oligarchy can and will take down anyone of their choosing.

[truth_seeker]

Perhaps you would be so good as to show us all how you properly tar and feather a public official then Mr. Action.

I have been involved with local issues and candidates for decades. I have letters published in major papers.

I served as a Treasurer for a PAC. I have served on the board of a public benefit 501.c.3 non-profit for over 20 years.

I'm an open book. I don't hesitate engaging with law enforcement.

I'm currently researching which of two major candidates to back, for the GOP House race.  Dana Rohrabacher, or Scott Baugh.

How about you? You talk as if you have given up, except waiting for civil war.

[Frank Cannon]

However, @Frank Cannon has convinced me that I'm a dick - and I embrace his view of that, though I admit I have no intention of repenting.

Beyond not insulting other posters at TBR, you are not allowed to insult yourself. It denigrates the forum and makes you feel sad. I have notified the Mods and they will take the appropriate action.

[Restored]

Bailiff, whack his peepee

[INVAR]

How about you? You talk as if you have given up, except waiting for civil war.

I was a Republican Precinct Captain in Cook County IL for 12 years banging on doors and serving the GOP in time, and money and all kinds of fun encounters with Union thugs on the streets and corrupt cops and officials at polling places.  I served in the Campaign of Peter Fitzgerald for Mosely Braun's seat.  All for naught when he quit, the reason said to be that he saw the futility of it all under the GOP leadership even back then.

Got out of the state 20 years ago when it was self-evident it was a lost cause and detrimental to raising my family there.

Worked to get Rand Paul elected locally, and watched Team Mitch destroy our TEA Party and destroy Matt Bevin whom we ended up getting into the Governors mansion two years later.

Since then, I watched what the GOP has done - and yes - I've given up any hope in it.   When it is self-evident that a cause is lost - I move on and away to fight my battle from a place where I am not going to be shot in the back by my own party and leaders.

As far as civil war goes - one does not need to be able to read tea leaves to see where things are headed.

People who survive disasters are usually the ones who have anticipated them in advance.  The victims are usually the ones who put their faith in their surroundings and what is familiar and freeze up when calamity strikes.

[truth_seeker]

I was a Republican Precinct Captain in Cook County IL for 12 years banging on doors and serving the GOP in time, and money and all kinds of fun encounters with Union thugs on the streets and corrupt cops and officials at polling places.  I served in the Campaign of Peter Fitzgerald for Mosely Braun's seat.  All for naught when he quit, the reason said to be that he saw the futility of it all under the GOP leadership even back then.

Got out of the state 20 years ago when it was self-evident it was a lost cause and detrimental to raising my family there.

Worked to get Rand Paul elected locally, and watched Team Mitch destroy our TEA Party and destroy Matt Bevin whom we ended up getting into the Governors mansion two years later.

Since then, I watched what the GOP has done - and yes - I've given up any hope in it.   When it is self-evident that a cause is lost - I move on and away to fight my battle from a place where I am not going to be shot in the back by my own party and leaders.

As far as civil war goes - one does not need to be able to read tea leaves to see where things are headed.

People who survive disasters are usually the ones who have anticipated them in advance.  The victims are usually the ones who put their faith in their surroundings and what is familiar and freeze up when calamity strikes.

You give up. I don't give up. I stick my neck out. I am notorious in fact, probably too much so.

[INVAR]

You give up. I don't give up. I stick my neck out. I am notorious in fact, probably too much so.

I'm not fond of practicing insanity.  You are welcome to call that giving up all you like.

When it becomes self-evident that efforts are futile in the face of corruption and tyranny - I find no use in serving it in the vain hope of a better outcome.

I look to other avenues and places that afford me the space to operate.

Even if it means I go guerrilla, or start over somewhere else.

[Hoodat]

I get the same argument from those pastors who tell me that they are supporting the Gospel by having homosexual Marriage in their congregation and promoting Chrislam from the pulpit.

They say it is filling their pews and the donation baskets.

“No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

-Matthew 6:24-

[Concerned]

I'm not fond of practicing insanity.  You are welcome to call that giving up all you like.

When it becomes self-evident that efforts are futile in the face of corruption and tyranny - I find no use in serving it in the vain hope of a better outcome.

I look to other avenues and places that afford me the space to operate.

Even if it means I go guerrilla, or start over somewhere else.

You are not alone @INVAR To continue rewarding the populist Republicans with reelection as they decide to spend our nation further and further into debt is indeed insane.  Just because "The King of Debt" is currently the President doesn't mean we should continue the Obama deficit spending that so many criticized.   The hypocrisy is sickening to me.

[txradioguy]

You give up. I don't give up. I stick my neck out. I am notorious in fact, probably too much so.

@INVAR has stuck to his conservative principals and his moral compass regardless of the ridiculous hyperbole and ridicule he's received.

You threw up your hanss and cast your lot with a faux Republican who keeps leaning left.

Tell me again who actually gave up?

[DCPatriot]

You are not alone @INVAR To continue rewarding the populist Republicans with reelection as they decide to spend our nation further and further into debt is indeed insane.  Just because "The King of Debt" is currently the President doesn't mean we should continue the Obama deficit spending that so many criticized.   The hypocrisy is sickening to me.

If a GD tidal wave of blood thirsty Leftism is about to hit your door...and all you have to use to secure it is a Republican log, you bleeping use it.

Anything less is figurative suicide, with literal soon-to-follow.   

That is, if you cherished your God given rights enumerated in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.   

Otherwise, carry on.