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Offline RoosGirl

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Keep in mind that there are two types of protection orders -  the study you cite appears to focus on personal protection orders, where, for example, an abusive spouse is ordered to stay away from the family home.    It doesn't surprise me that a lot of those types of orders get disobeyed - as some have suggested perhaps the abused spouse should get a gun and serve as her own deputy. 

A gun violence restraining order affects the property of the abuser,  removing the guns that he can use to facilitate mayhem.   Sure, he can cause mayhem by other means,  but a gun is likely the most efficient and deadly.    So long as due process is followed,  I see no real downside to a GVRO.   It is certainly efficacious in accomplishing its intended purpose - separating a dangerous nut from his guns.

"Serve as her own deputy."  People like you are the reason I more than dabble in the art of profanity.  More liberal bullshit about Big Daddy Government protecting people.  These little messages often slip by unchallenged.  Please, everyone note the implied idea that it's the deputies of our communities that should be protecting us.  Now think about those four heroes who hid behind their cars down in Broward a few weeks ago.

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"Serve as her own deputy."  People like you are the reason I more than dabble in the art of profanity. 

People like him are the reason we need to keep and bear arms.
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"Serve as her own deputy."  People like you are the reason I more than dabble in the art of profanity.  More liberal bullshit about Big Daddy Government protecting people.  These little messages often slip by unchallenged.  Please, everyone note the implied idea that it's the deputies of our communities that should be protecting us.  Now think about those four heroes who hid behind their cars down in Broward a few weeks ago.

Hey, they got to go home to their families safe that night, and that's the important thing.... 9999hair out0000
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People like him are the reason we need to keep and bear arms.

'Firmrtive.  Not only does he have no clue of that, but he'll call you a selfish fetishist for saying it.
Don't call it the "Federal Government," that's an insult to the Founders.  It's a "National Government."
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Keep in mind that there are two types of protection orders -  the study you cite appears to focus on personal protection orders, where, for example, an abusive spouse is ordered to stay away from the family home.    It doesn't surprise me that a lot of those types of orders get disobeyed - as some have suggested perhaps the abused spouse should get a gun and serve as her own deputy. 

The sheer stupidity of drawing a distinction -  There is no distinction. Someone who is pissed off to the point of lawlessness is not going to pay attention to the law at all -
Especially so with someone who has mass murder in their heart.

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A gun violence restraining order affects the property of the abuser,  removing the guns that he can use to facilitate mayhem.   Sure, he can cause mayhem by other means,  but a gun is likely the most efficient and deadly.    So long as due process is followed,  I see no real downside to a GVRO.   It is certainly efficacious in accomplishing its intended purpose - separating a dangerous nut from his guns.

No, a gun is not likely the most efficient or deadly. It is equally as easy to access dynamite or kinnepac, or make a pipe/sparkler/fertilizer bomb... Rat poison can be acquired at any hardware store... A simple match and 10 gallons of diesel ...  Even the pickup truck in the front yard can be just as devastating as a gun, and probably more so.

Your fixation on guns as the root of all evil is simplistic and inane, as is your absurd assumption that the lawless will be curbed in ANY fashion by a piece of paper and the banging of a gavel. And that's all assuming you actually GOT his guns with your silly order in the first place.

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Why do folks here still bother with Jazzhead?
Waste of time.
I've had him on the ignore list for quite a while now.

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Why do folks here still bother with Jazzhead?
Waste of time.
I've had him on the ignore list for quite a while now.

I think some people like pain and aggravation.
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I think some people like pain and aggravation.
I think it more like that scab you is just gonna bleed if you if pick it, but you just go ahead and pick it anyway.

Now for my Friday gift to all.................I will post no images of scabs!

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I think it more like that scab you is just gonna bleed if you if pick it, but you just go ahead and pick it anyway.

Now for my Friday gift to all.................I will post no images of scabs!

...and there was much rejoicing.  Yaay.
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I think some people like pain and aggravation.

Nah there is more to Jazz than meets the eye...
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Nah there is more to Jazz than meets the eye...

Uh huh.  Spill. 
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Why do folks here still bother with Jazzhead?
Waste of time.
I've had him on the ignore list for quite a while now.
Every group needs that "one".  Otherwise it becomes an echo chamber and besides, where's the fun in that?  I like it vs. TOS where folks posting opinions such as his get tossed at a moments notice.  Let's you know what the other side is thinking.

I have 2 on my ignore list, but they made it personal, so there's that.
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Why do folks here still bother with Jazzhead?
Waste of time.
I've had him on the ignore list for quite a while now.

Jazzy provides us an invaluable service to Conservatives here at TBR.

He hands us splendid argumentation that the Left is using to sell the benefits of Socialism/Marxism and tyranny by redefining those traits as being Conservative and Constitutional.

He spews the newest talking points and angles of attacking the foundations that one finds being means-tested at DU and MSNBC.  He introduces us to lawyer-speak or newspeak the Statists use to try and convince the people that Ingsoc is vital to fairness and our survival.

So we get an advance preview of the bullshit they will sell to the less-than-thinking Republicans and populace out there and get them to embrace what is anathema to Conservatism while being told it is Conservative.

As a Leftist, his pretend role as a Conservative is for the purpose of beguiling a people to buy into his own made up definition of what the term 'Conservative' means.  He is consistent with that behavior, because he does the same exact thing when it comes to redefining Christianity.   As he rejects the plain words out of the Bible and ignores them for his own interpretation that makes evil and sin a righteous exercise, - so too he rejects the plain words of the Constitution and either ignores them or finds other meanings and laws hidden away in the "penumbras and emanations" that his priesthood of judges and attorneys have put into their talmud which makes tyranny and Statism Constitutional.   It's the method of getting a people beholden to scripture or the Constitution to throw them out and embrace ideas anathema to their existence.  To embrace his 'living' versions of what they mean. 

His presence here at TBR is a gift to us.  For he is the gojo mat for us to practice cutting liberalism and Statism to shreds; a bokken to help our execution of technique and the seupaling baeg to hone our combat skills.
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We can't know with certainty.  But that doesn't mean we shouldn't learn from it and try to plug the gaps in the system that might have prevented the murders.   A GVRO is a useful tool, same as a gun itself.

A protection order is a useful tool, but it did not prevent the x-husband from finding and murdering my girlfriend and their children.  NOT a one-off instance either.

Take note of the fact that all of these killers researched other methods of mass killing as well.  No access to a gun, build a bomb, set a fire, release poison gas, etc.  Heck, in China a man killed more than 30 with a sword.  Someone who is that ill will find a way. 

The gun confiscation laws will be corrupted just as has every other "protection" in the history of man.  If you want a current example, take a look at the misuse of the FISA wwarrants.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2018, 09:29:57 AM by ConstitutionRose »
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