Trump: 'Take the guns first, go through due process second'

[XenaLee]

So taking all those little examples of yours and using them myself, more infringements won't make a damn bit of difference, now will they? We won't, the children won't, be one damn bit safer than they are now.

Of course not.  But then.... our safety isn't the issue.  The radical left's main concern is control over us.  You know that.  Right?

[GtHawk]

Again with the mentally retarded thing.  What is with you?  Are you so hung up on not being able to admit that POTUS is wrong on this that you have to come with some hyperbolic scenario just to cope?  POTUS is wrong on this; there's no weird scenario where it's okay to confiscate property prior to judgement.

I just took at as projection on JPSB's part, what else do they have, I mean the whole argument they put up is so weak that it's funny in a sad pathetic kind of way. But you know it's like Trump, if you just attack maybe they'll forget how wrong you are.

[GtHawk]

Of course not.  But then.... our safety isn't the issue.  The radical left's main concern is control over us.  You know that.  Right?

you realize we are in agreement, right?

[XenaLee]

you realize we are in agreement, right?

Yeah.... that's what I thought at first.... but then you posted something that made me unsure....lol.

 

[GtHawk]

Yeah.... that's what I thought at first.... but then you posted something that made me unsure....lol.

 

@XenaLee
Sorry about that, unsure is the state I live in nowadays.

[Chosen Daughter]

More Trump Gun Betrayal: “Take the Guns First”

Posted at 5:30 pm on February 28, 2018 by Susan Wright


Then, Trump chimed in, in response, and this is what should have clear-headed, true patriots clutching their pocket Constitutions a little tighter tonight:


“I like taking the guns early like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida … to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.

“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.

https://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2018/02/28/trump-gun-betrayal-take-guns-first/

 

I am not sure that our President is capable of the job.

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee
Sorry about that, unsure is the state I live in nowadays.

Lol!   I can definitely relate.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I am not sure that our President is capable of the job.

Woke Romney @MoMoneyMitt
15 hours ago

LOL @NRA you gave this guy $30 million and now he’s punking you on live TV! Losers.

[jpsb]

Again with the mentally retarded thing.  What is with you?  Are you so hung up on not being able to admit that POTUS is wrong on this that you have to come with some hyperbolic scenario just to cope?  POTUS is wrong on this; there's no weird scenario where it's okay to confiscate property prior to judgement.

I am just describing the Fla shooter whom everyone agrees should not have been allowed to have
fire arms in his procession. There should be and used to be a means to prevents the Cruz's from
carrying out crimes. They were not charges with a crime there were sent to a metal institution for
evaluation. They did not have access to their weapons and thus could not shoot up anything.
After being evaluated they when before a judge. The judge could to anything from releasing them
to committing them. In Cruz's case, as a hypothetical, the judge could have released him under
the condition that he sold, transferred or surrendered his guns. 

Were there abuses? Yes however we had far fewer mass killings back then. Today we have mass
killings every few months. You  are crazy if you think these mass killing will not provoke a big
reaction from the voting public that cares little about the second.

If there are reasons to believe someone is bat shit crazy, put them in a mental institution for
evaluation. Bat shit crazies should not be allowed to shoot up 8th graders at a local school. And
yes arm teachers that are trained and wish to be armed. End gun free zones.

FYI, I joined the NRA for the first time earlier this week, prior I was gun owners of American
member so I am hardly a gun grabber.

[edpc]

I am just describing the Fla shooter whom everyone agrees should not have been allowed to have fire arms in his procession.

That's going to make Trump's parade in November kind of boring.

[RoosGirl]

I am just describing the Fla shooter whom everyone agrees should not have been allowed to have
fire arms in his procession. There should be and used to be a means to prevents the Cruz's from
carrying out crimes. They were not charges with a crime there were sent to a metal institution for
evaluation. They did not have access to their weapons and thus could not shoot up anything.
After being evaluated they when before a judge. The judge could to anything from releasing them
to committing them. In Cruz's case, as a hypothetical, the judge could have released him under
the condition that he sold, transferred or surrendered his guns. 

Were there abuses? Yes however we had far fewer mass killings back then. Today we have mass
killings every few months. You  are crazy if you think these mass killing will not provoke a big
reaction from the voting public that cares little about the second.

If there are reasons to believe someone is bat shit crazy, put them in a mental institution for
evaluation. Bat shit crazies should not be allowed to shoot up 8th graders at a local school. And
yes arm teachers that are trained and wish to be armed. End gun free zones.

FYI, I joined the NRA for the first time earlier this week, prior I was gun owners of American
member so I am hardly a gun grabber.

I've haven't seen any articles that describe him as being of below normal intelligence.

[jpsb]

I've haven't seen any articles that describe him as being of below normal intelligence.

The point is, he was bat shit crazy! He was described as having the mental capacity of a twelve year
old. However that is immaterial. He was bat shit crazy. Most of these shooter are. I'd include the
LV shooter, but all the details about that shooting have gone into an FBI built back hole.

[NavyCanDo]

Sorry to keep you waiting @bolobaby  ... I just got home a little while ago.  I watched this meeting through live streaming, and thought it was good and somewhat productive.

But when the President said "take the guns and then due process", I cringed.  I knew he was on a "roll", but I don't have an explanation other than this is backwards.  This will not be in the bill, but what I'm hoping for is a streamlined due process -- including a quicker route to a 72 hour visit to a mental health facility -- or the court challenges will render this moot.  I'm also looking forward to a technical correction tweet.

Even the NRA can find room for the discussion and compromise on the age 21 requirement or even bump stocks.   But take the guns first then go to court?   HELL NO.   

[driftdiver]

One thing this has done is brought out their real goal.  Banning of firearms.

[Right_in_Virginia]

There's a six page, active thread on this here:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,306029.0.html

@Machiavelli
@mystery-ak

[libertybele]

More Trump Gun Betrayal: “Take the Guns First”

Posted at 5:30 pm on February 28, 2018 by Susan Wright


Then, Trump chimed in, in response, and this is what should have clear-headed, true patriots clutching their pocket Constitutions a little tighter tonight:


“I like taking the guns early like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida … to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.

“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.

https://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2018/02/28/trump-gun-betrayal-take-guns-first/

 

I am not sure that our President is capable of the job.

As time goes on, Trump is becoming more and more liberal.  Most of us saw this coming!  I can only imagine he will lean more left if we lose either House in the mid terms and certainly we will see the real liberal Trump if he's elected to his 2nd term!

[Applewood]

One thing this has done is brought out their real goal.  Banning of firearms.

And it could be the word "their" includes Trump.

[Right_in_Virginia]

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@realDonaldTrump 

It was an honor to welcome bipartisan members of Congress for a discussion on SAFE schools and SAFE communities. As we continue to mourn the loss of so many precious young lives in Parkland, we are determined to turn our grief into action. Full meeting: http://45.wh.gov/BipartisanMtg

1:34 PM - 28 Feb 2018

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/968962582374621185?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump 

Many ideas, some good & some not so good, emerged from our bipartisan meeting on school safety yesterday at the White House. Background Checks a big part of conversation. Gun free zones are proven targets of killers. After many years, a Bill should emerge. Respect 2nd Amendment!

3:53 AM - 1 Mar 2018

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/969178931369783296?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[edpc]

I've haven't seen any articles that describe him as being of below normal intelligence.

He may have had some issues, due to the alleged drug activity of his birth mother.........


Alleged school shooter’s mom paid $50K to adopt him from ‘drug addict’

Mom Lynda Cruz paid $50,000 to adopt alleged school shooter Nikolas Cruz from his “drug addict” biological mother when he was just 3 days old, and then dropped another $15,000 on his younger half-brother, Zachary, when she found out the troubled mom was pregnant again, according to a report.

“Nik’s biological mother was just a complete screw-up, drug addict and thief,” former friend and neighbor Trish Duvaney told RadarOnline.

“I even said to Lynda: ‘You don’t know the mother’s background.’ Both children were born after one-night stands. The birth mother, she didn’t even really know who the two biological fathers were.”

https://nypost.com/2018/02/27/alleged-school-shooters-mom-paid-50k-to-adopt-him-from-drug-addict/

[Right_in_Virginia]

And it could be the word "their" includes Trump.

 

[edpc]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump 

Many ideas, some good & some not so good, emerged from our bipartisan meeting on school safety yesterday at the White House. Background Checks a big part of conversation. Gun free zones are proven targets of killers. After many years, a Bill should emerge. Respect 2nd Amendment!

3:53 AM - 1 Mar 2018

He could include respecting the 4th Amendment as well.  Not doing it was one of the not so good ideas.

[240B]

He was referring to obvious and clear nutcases who have threatened people with weapons and who obviously have a potential for immediate danger to themselves and others. Not the general public.

This kid in FL should have had his guns taken away first. He clearly stated his desire and intent to hurt people with them.

BTW, the kid actually expected his guns to be confiscated. He buried a 'backup' stash of weapons in his backyard. So, even he thought that is what the Cops were going to do.

[RoosGirl]

The point is, he was bat shit crazy! He was described as having the mental capacity of a twelve year
old. However that is immaterial. He was bat shit crazy. Most of these shooter are. I'd include the
LV shooter, but all the details about that shooting have gone into an FBI built back hole.

He was described by the person that called the FBI that he has the mental capacity of a 12 to 14 year old.  That does not mean he's "retarded".  And that fact alone does not make him bat shit crazy.  He had been in treatment at at least one mental health facility.  None of that means any of his possessions should be taken without due process.

[WingNot]

He may have had some issues, due to the alleged drug activity of his birth mother.........


Alleged school shooter’s mom paid $50K to adopt him from ‘drug addict’

Mom Lynda Cruz paid $50,000 to adopt alleged school shooter Nikolas Cruz from his “drug addict” biological mother when he was just 3 days old, and then dropped another $15,000 on his younger half-brother, Zachary, when she found out the troubled mom was pregnant again, according to a report.

“Nik’s biological mother was just a complete screw-up, drug addict and thief,” former friend and neighbor Trish Duvaney told RadarOnline.

“I even said to Lynda: ‘You don’t know the mother’s background.’ Both children were born after one-night stands. The birth mother, she didn’t even really know who the two biological fathers were.”

https://nypost.com/2018/02/27/alleged-school-shooters-mom-paid-50k-to-adopt-him-from-drug-addict/

You know, When I saw the kids picture I said to myself,  Self, that there is a crackhead baby. 

[Applewood]

Scoff all you like, but absent a reasonable follow-up explanation from the White House, Trump has once again demonstrated no regard for the Constitution.  This should trouble his supporters  -- unless they too think the Constitution can be disregarded whenever it is convenient to do so.  In that case, maybe Trump and his supporters should just drop any pretense of conservatism and simply become Democrats.