Author Topic: Trump to take steps to ban bump stocks (Read 13680 times)

mystery-ak · « **on:** February 20, 2018, 09:20:25 pm »

Trump to take steps to ban bump stocks
By Brandon Carter and Lydia Wheeler - 02/20/18 04:05 PM EST

President Trump said Tuesday he has directed the Department of Justice to propose regulations that would ban bump stocks, devices that allow semi-automatic to be modified to shoot hundreds of rounds per minute.

â€œWe can do more to protect our children. We must do more to protect our children,â€ Trump said during the announcement at the White House.

Bump stocks came to the forefront of the gun control debate after the deadly mass shooting at a Las Vegas music festival in October that left nearly 60 dead and more than 500 injured. The gunman in that incident allegedly used a bump stock device.

After the deadly Las Vegas shooting, Trump said he directed Attorney General Jeff Sessions to clarify whether certain bump stock devices like the once used in Las Vegas are illegal under current law.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/374722-trump-to-take-steps-to-ban-bump-stocks

txradioguy · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2018, 09:23:00 pm »

Banning a legally owned piece of equipment won't do anything to save children's lives or anyone else lives.

Our supposedly "most conservative President ever" just came down on the wrong side of the 2nd Amendment.

thackney · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2018, 09:23:37 pm »

Back to the homemade versions for $10~20 bucks then.

It is not a complex or difficult item to make.

https://www.google.com/search?q=homemade+bump+stocks&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS751US751&oq=homemade+bump+stocks&aqs=chrome..69i57.7388j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Suppressed · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2018, 09:28:39 pm »

Quote from: thackney on February 20, 2018, 09:23:37 pm

Back to the homemade versions for $10~20 bucks then.

It is not a complex or difficult item to make.

https://www.google.com/search?q=homemade+bump+stocks&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS751US751&oq=homemade+bump+stocks&aqs=chrome..69i57.7388j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I'm sure that homemade ones will be just as illegal.

dfwgator · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2018, 09:28:42 pm »

Stupid!

thackney · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2018, 09:30:15 pm »

Quote from: Suppressed on February 20, 2018, 09:28:39 pm

I'm sure that homemade ones will be just as illegal.

Oh good, because nobody willing to perform a criminal act such as mass murder would ever take the step of have or producing something illegal.

ABX · « **Reply #6 on:** February 20, 2018, 09:30:39 pm »

So it begins...

ABX · « **Reply #7 on:** February 20, 2018, 09:31:49 pm »

Quote from: thackney on February 20, 2018, 09:23:37 pm

Back to the homemade versions for $10~20 bucks then.

It is not a complex or difficult item to make.

https://www.google.com/search?q=homemade+bump+stocks&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS751US751&oq=homemade+bump+stocks&aqs=chrome..69i57.7388j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Hell, one of these will do it if you know what you are doing.

thackney · « **Reply #8 on:** February 20, 2018, 09:33:05 pm »

3D Printing Bump-Fire Stocks
https://3dprint.com/190756/3d-printing-bump-fire-stocks/

INVAR · « **Reply #9 on:** February 20, 2018, 09:34:55 pm »

And after the 1.5 TRILLION dollar deficit spending budget that funds the entirety of the Democrat Agenda in-full - now we have "The most Conservative President since Reagan... NO - the most Conservative President EVER in the history of the White House" come down on the Liberal Left end of infringing on the Second Amendment.

Never mind his proposal to expand libel laws to punish media that he does not like.

dfwgator · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2018, 09:38:06 pm »

Trump isn't going to get ONE single person to vote for him because of this, but he's going to lose a lot of votes.

goodwithagun · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2018, 09:41:02 pm »

Where are the resident orange nosers? Also, tuck Frump.

ABX · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2018, 10:07:25 pm »

I am interested to read the actual wording of this memo. This could be written in such a way that actually bans not just bump stocks, but could be used to ban high capacity magazines or semi-automatic weapons in general.

Example, from the article (albeit this isn't the memo, just the report)

Quote

.....devices that allow semi-automatic to be modified to shoot hundreds of rounds per minute.......

Technically, in the right hands with the right magazine, one doesn't need to bump fire to shoot hundreds of rounds per minute. A large enough magazine on a good semi-auto, with an experienced shooter can do that. Sharpshooter Jerry Miculek has videos showing he can shoot 5 shots in one second on one of his competition ARs. (potentially 300 rounds per minute if he could sustain it). That is without a bump fire stock.

edpc · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2018, 10:53:33 pm »

â€œThe NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations,â€ read the statement, which was issued by NRA Executive Vice President and CEO Wayne LaPierre and NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris Cox.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/5/nra-back-bump-stock-ban-trump-open-restrictions/

This statement from the NRA was from last October and gave him political cover. Iâ€™m surprised he didnâ€™t do it sooner. Now, he can say heâ€™s â€˜doing something,â€™ even though it has nothing to do with the latest incident.

Itâ€™s basically a throwaway and the anti-2A crowd will quickly say it'snot enough.

Fishrrman · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2018, 11:00:49 pm »

Fishrrman's credo:
Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.

As soon as the information was revealed that the Vegas shooter had TWELVE AR-15's in his room equipped with bump-stocks, one didn't have to be the brightest bulb around to surmise that those attachments would be "going away soon enough" ...

txradioguy · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2018, 11:01:45 pm »

Quote from: edpc on February 20, 2018, 10:53:33 pm

â€œThe NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations,â€ read the statement, which was issued by NRA Executive Vice President and CEO Wayne LaPierre and NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris Cox.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/5/nra-back-bump-stock-ban-trump-open-restrictions/

This statement from the NRA was from last October and gave him political cover. Iâ€™m surprised he didnâ€™t do it sooner. Now, he can say heâ€™s â€˜doing something,â€™ even though it has nothing to do with the latest incident.

Itâ€™s basically a throwaway and the anti-2A crowd will quickly say it'snot enough.

There are a lot of NRA members unhappy with the current cabal running the NRA. They've become like the GOP leadership in the senate. They have their own agenda...they don't truly represent the rank and file and they'll do what's politically expedient whether it's in line with the 2A or not.

NRA needs new blood in the headquarters...Cox...LaPierre and a few others need to go.

ABX · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2018, 11:37:24 pm »

Quote from: txradioguy on February 20, 2018, 11:01:45 pm

There are a lot of NRA members unhappy with the current cabal running the NRA. They've become like the GOP leadership in the senate. They have their own agenda...they don't truly represent the rank and file and they'll do what's politically expedient whether it's in line with the 2A or not.

NRA needs new blood in the headquarters...Cox...LaPierre and a few others need to go.

The NRA is a lot more moderate than most realize. They often seem like dems compared to groups like the GOA. They are just an easy boogeyman for the left.

roamer_1 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 20, 2018, 11:43:43 pm »

Quote from: Fishrrman on February 20, 2018, 11:00:49 pm

Fishrrman's credo:
Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.

As soon as the information was revealed that the Vegas shooter had TWELVE AR-15's in his room equipped with bump-stocks, one didn't have to be the brightest bulb around to surmise that those attachments would be "going away soon enough" ...

You may as well ban rubber bands and popsicle sticks... Because every guy I know can make a bumpstop with nothing more. Likewise, we all have set the trigger too light and had the experience of multiple fires from a single light pull... And usually, all that is learned early on.

This is idiocy.

txradioguy · « **Reply #18 on:** February 21, 2018, 01:06:34 am »

To ban bump fire stocks, the Trump administration will have to set some kind of standard for â€œacceptableâ€ rate-of-fire. There is just no other way to do it. And once you do that, well, youâ€™ve opened the door to banning all sorts of otherwise benign devices, like competition triggers.

And once you do that, youâ€™ve opened the door to an anti-gun rights administrationâ€™s ability to ban other functions and features â€” as they do in New York to ban â€œassault rifles.â€

catfish1957 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 21, 2018, 01:15:38 am »

Quote from: goodwithagun on February 20, 2018, 09:41:02 pm

Where are the resident orange nosers? Also, tuck Frump.

My thoughts too. They conveniently avoid threads that make him the left wing New Yorker that he is.

roamer_1 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 21, 2018, 01:19:54 am »

If there was ever a single chance in hell that I might be talked into voting for him in round two... TOUCH... even graze the R2KBA, and all chance is gone.

RoosGirl · « **Reply #21 on:** February 21, 2018, 01:21:30 am »

Quote from: catfish1957 on February 21, 2018, 01:15:38 am

My thoughts too. They conveniently avoid threads that make him the left wing New Yorker that he is.

11th Commandment and all.

Applewood · « **Reply #22 on:** February 21, 2018, 01:26:58 am »

Quote from: goodwithagun on February 20, 2018, 09:41:02 pm

Where are the resident orange nosers? Also, tuck Frump.

They are waiting for their dear leader to tell them what to think.

txradioguy · « **Reply #23 on:** February 21, 2018, 01:32:23 am »

Quote from: AbaraXas on February 20, 2018, 11:37:24 pm

The NRA is a lot more moderate than most realize. They often seem like dems compared to groups like the GOA. They are just an easy boogeyman for the left.

I've been learning just how moderate they are via some recent articles at The Truth About Guns and Ammoland.

ABX · « **Reply #24 on:** February 21, 2018, 01:58:35 am »

Quote from: roamer_1 on February 20, 2018, 11:43:43 pm

You may as well ban rubber bands and popsicle sticks... Because every guy I know can make a bumpstop with nothing more. Likewise, we all have set the trigger too light and had the experience of multiple fires from a single light pull... And usually, all that is learned early on.

This is idiocy.

You know what is coming - banning of information. Case in point- The Anarchists Cookbook.