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Offline LauraTXNM

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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #75 on: February 16, 2018, 01:46:19 am »
Quote from: corbe on February 16, 2018, 01:28:18 am
    @Wingnut You are way out of line if you are inferring that @LauraTXNM is anything other than a New Member worthy of all of ours respect. Your attitude is incomprehensible, to me anyway.


    Laura you have officially meet one of the curmudgeons here (there's not many), The rest of US Love you and give you the benefit of the doubt as a Newbie.   

Thank you, Corbe, and Mystery, and everyone!  I am sure there are things I agree and disagree with some posters about.  But I appreciate the fact that Mystery's site is not an echo chamber, and you all have substantive discussions and disagreements.  I don't know answers to many if any questions, and I'd like to learn from you all.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #76 on: February 16, 2018, 01:49:45 am »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 16, 2018, 01:35:58 am
Does a background check access that info, in case the purchaser lies?  If a crazy person is buying a gun, I'm not sure why s/he'd tell the truth on the form.

It does, if the info has been reported.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #77 on: February 16, 2018, 01:50:00 am »
Quote from: edpc on February 16, 2018, 01:45:12 am
Concealability

Really?!  That seems even crazier.  They trust 18-year-olds enough to vote and enlist, but not to carry a handgun?  Doesn't FL have concealed carry?
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #78 on: February 16, 2018, 01:51:28 am »
Quote from: RoosGirl on February 16, 2018, 01:49:45 am
It does, if the info has been reported.

So the problem is reporting requirements for mental illness?
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #79 on: February 16, 2018, 01:52:33 am »
Quote from: edpc on February 16, 2018, 01:44:25 am

Are you one of those 'first sight' saps...?    :tongue2:

   No @edpc Couldn't find my glasses this morning took the Blue Pill instead of the red one, I even proposed to the girl at the grocery store this afternoon.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #80 on: February 16, 2018, 01:54:49 am »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 16, 2018, 01:51:28 am
So the problem is reporting requirements for mental illness?

I think the problem is enforcement of the requirement to report mental illness.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #81 on: February 16, 2018, 01:55:15 am »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 16, 2018, 01:50:00 am
Really?!  That seems even crazier.  They trust 18-year-olds enough to vote and enlist, but not to carry a handgun?  Doesn't FL have concealed carry?

Yes, we have concealed carry.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #82 on: February 16, 2018, 01:55:25 am »
Quote from: corbe on February 16, 2018, 01:52:33 am
   No @edpc Couldn't find my glasses this morning took the Blue Pill instead of the red one, I even proposed to the girl at the grocery store this afternoon.

I bat my lashes at you, sir ;).
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #83 on: February 16, 2018, 01:56:58 am »
Quote from: RoosGirl on February 16, 2018, 01:55:15 am
Yes, we have concealed carry.

I thought so.  Why the ban on 18-21 year olds and handguns?  It's a crime prevention measure? 
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #84 on: February 16, 2018, 01:59:23 am »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 16, 2018, 01:50:00 am
Really?!  That seems even crazier.  They trust 18-year-olds enough to vote and enlist, but not to carry a handgun?  Doesn't FL have concealed carry?

Yes, but the school is 'gun-free zone' anyway.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #85 on: February 16, 2018, 01:59:23 am »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 16, 2018, 01:56:58 am
I thought so.  Why the ban on 18-21 year olds and handguns?  It's a crime prevention measure?

I'm not really sure, but I suspect it's for the same reason that 18 year olds can't drink.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #86 on: February 16, 2018, 02:03:45 am »
Quote from: RoosGirl on February 16, 2018, 01:59:23 am
I'm not really sure, but I suspect it's for the same reason that 18 year olds can't drink.

So ridiculous ;(.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #87 on: February 16, 2018, 02:05:51 am »
Quote from: corbe on February 16, 2018, 01:52:33 am
   No @edpc Couldn't find my glasses this morning took the Blue Pill instead of the red one, I even proposed to the girl at the grocery store this afternoon.


That's OK.  Every six weeks, I am on after hours on-call duty for technical support. A couple years ago, I was full of Percocet after minor surgery.  I got a call from a hospital in Boston at 2AM.

Somehow, I managed to help them through their problem successfully.  The nurse said, "Thank you, goodnight."

I replied, "Good night, love you."

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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #88 on: February 16, 2018, 02:06:06 am »
Quote from: edpc on February 16, 2018, 01:59:23 am
Yes, but the school is 'gun-free zone' anyway.

I know the school had one(!) armed security guard.  Doesnt FL now allow teachers to carry on campus?
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #89 on: February 16, 2018, 02:06:45 am »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 16, 2018, 01:34:38 am
Do you have any idea why they created the different rules?

@LauraTXNM

Yes the higher age for handguns was enacted as part of a gun control law.   They thought it would keep handguns away from gangbangers.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #90 on: February 16, 2018, 02:27:58 am »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 16, 2018, 12:41:05 am
In FL there is no waiting period to buy a rifle/AR15.  Only a handgun. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong -- this seems really stupid.

He had talked about this for months and owned the rifle for at least months.  3 day waiting period would have had no impact.  Don't ask for new laws that just pretend to but make no real difference.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #91 on: February 16, 2018, 03:18:33 am »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 16, 2018, 01:50:00 am
Really?!  That seems even crazier.  They trust 18-year-olds enough to vote and enlist, but not to carry a handgun?  Doesn't FL have concealed carry?

They also don't trust 18 year olds enough to purchase alcohol.  Does this upset you?
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #92 on: February 16, 2018, 03:27:19 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on February 16, 2018, 03:18:33 am
They also don't trust 18 year olds enough to purchase alcohol.  Does this upset you?


If you can legally enter a contract, be tried as an adult, or serve your country, you should be able to have a drink.  Make it one consistent standard, not arbitrary numbers for different things.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #93 on: February 16, 2018, 03:30:58 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on February 16, 2018, 03:18:33 am
They also don't trust 18 year olds enough to purchase alcohol.  Does this upset you?

Yep.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #94 on: February 16, 2018, 03:44:31 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on February 16, 2018, 03:18:33 am
They also don't trust 18 year olds enough to purchase alcohol.  Does this upset you?

I think it's kind of stupid; my husband is Canadian, and I have friends in Western Europe.  I generally think the inconsistencies here are just silly.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #95 on: February 16, 2018, 03:46:53 am »
Quote from: thackney on February 16, 2018, 02:27:58 am
He had talked about this for months and owned the rifle for at least months.  3 day waiting period would have had no impact.  Don't ask for new laws that just pretend to but make no real difference.

Sorry, I was unclear.  The discrepancy just seems pointless to me.  You have to wait to buy a handgun, but not an AR15?  (I mean, an adult over 21.).  That just seems pointless.   Waiting period for all or none.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #96 on: February 16, 2018, 03:51:07 am »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 16, 2018, 03:46:53 am
Sorry, I was unclear.  The discrepancy just seems pointless to me.  You have to wait to buy a handgun, but not an AR15?  (I mean, an adult over 21.).  That just seems pointless.   Waiting period for all or none.

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The round an ar15 fires is actually less powerful then almost every other round.  Ar15s function the same as many other guns.   They just look different.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #97 on: February 16, 2018, 03:54:21 am »
Quote from: driftdiver on February 16, 2018, 03:51:07 am
@LauraTXNM

The round an ar15 fires is actually less powerful then almost every other round.  Ar15s function the same as many other guns.   They just look different.

Right!  So why the change in waiting time?  It seems like a distinction without a difference. 
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #98 on: February 16, 2018, 04:00:21 am »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 16, 2018, 03:46:53 am
Sorry, I was unclear.  The discrepancy just seems pointless to me.  You have to wait to buy a handgun, but not an AR15?  (I mean, an adult over 21.).  That just seems pointless.   Waiting period for all or none.

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In Florida you have to wait 3 days for all gun purchases unless you have a concealed permit.

Waiting periods don't do anything.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #99 on: February 16, 2018, 04:02:37 am »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 16, 2018, 03:54:21 am
Right!  So why the change in waiting time?  It seems like a distinction without a difference.

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Because gun laws are a hodge podge mess.   Gun controllers have tried to pass any law to make firearm ownership more difficult for law abiding people.  So we end up with a very complicated and useless laws.
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