Kern County judge rules against State of California in case against Tastries Bakery

[Suppressed]

Yeah Right....No one could ever shut you up you daft broad.

Says the loudmouth with 30+ posts per day average, and a signal-to-noise ratio lower than Joy Behar's IQ.

[Hoodat]

In all fairness, it's looking like he didn't read the article.

Of course I did.  The baker's services include wedding cakes.   She refused to provide a wedding cake to a customer because she was gay.   That's discrimination based on sexual orientation, regardless of whether she would sell the customer gingerbread men.   

You read the article, eh?  Here it is again:

Cathy Miller says she will sell gay people anything else in her bakery, but will not be made to celebrate a ceremony her faith finds objectionable.

You, sir, are a LIAR.  And seeing how this 'discrepancy' in your narrative has been pointed out to you already, it shows that you have no desire for truth at all.  Lying, and then doubling down on that lie?  Wow.  Just wow.

[Hoodat]

If it goes on for 15 pages, it will be because folks respond to my posts.

People respond to your posts because things like 'truth' and 'integrity' matter to them.  And people also have a strong aversion to bigotry.  So every time you post one of your bigoted lies, expect someone here to respond.

[WingNot]

Says the loudmouth with 30+ posts per day average, and a signal-to-noise ratio lower than Joy Behar's IQ.

Like I said.  No one has ever been able to shut you up.  You go on and on, never letting ideas interrupt the easy flow of your conversation.

[roamer_1]

Don't play their game by being led to change the argument to justify what they charge you with.

Oh, I am not off my argument at all. The only argument here is if the state has the right to force me into a contract that I do not want to enter into.

They.Do.Not.

It is against the very basis of free exchange/free enterprise. Regardless of the laws they write.

They say non-acceptance and refusal to acknowledge homosexual marriage as good, righteous and normal is 'hate' - then fine - we HATE IT.  Same as eschewing a drug addict's behavior is said to be 'hate' by the legalize Drug bunch.

Fine.  We hate homosexual behavior.  It's perverted, deviant and wicked.  We hate it.

I have already said as much.

Such "laws" that contravene the clear laws of God are not laws we are obligated to obey in the eyes of God or the Founders themselves.  We instead have a duty to defy them.

Inevitably true.

[Mod1]

Let's stick to the topic, shall we?

[sneakypete]

Amazing the contortions people will go through in order to justify their hatred of gays.

@Oceander

I don't get it either. I can only conclude that sad,depressed people are envious of happy people,but what does that have to do with homosexuals? Do you think homosexuals are happier than heterosexuals?

What I DO get is that this is a free country,and you have the right to hate anydamnbody you want to hate,or to not hate anyone at all,if that's what floats your boat.

You just don't have the right to purposely cause them physical harm because you hate them.

[sneakypete]

Yes but she can say "no" to any order. I know someone who makes wedding cakes. She says "no" to people all the time. They don't sue her. They go find another baker.
These people weren't interested in a cake. They were interested in a lawsuit.

@Restored

And there ya have it.

[Cyber Liberty]

Yes but she can say "no" to any order. I know someone who makes wedding cakes. She says "no" to people all the time. They don't sue her. They go find another baker.
These people weren't interested in a cake. They were interested in a lawsuit.

The trouble comes when people impute motives to the actions of others.  We have a microcosm of that right here on this thread.  "Look at the hate of homosexuals on display!"  "They won't bake the damn cake because they're bigoted!"

This is why these threads go around in circles for days, until the Mods get tired of it and pull the rug.  Couldn't come soon enough.

[Hoodat]

The trouble comes when people impute motives to the actions of others.

In doing so, they make 'thought' itself a crime.  Didn't Orwell write a book on that?

[Frank Cannon]

Let's stick to the topic, shall we?

Is it cake or the Civil War? I'm having trouble figuring it out.

[Cyber Liberty]

Is it cake or the Civil War? I'm having trouble figuring it out.

Give it time, it will be a thread about the War between the Cakes.

[Cyber Liberty]

In doing so, they make 'thought' itself a crime.  Didn't Orwell write a book on that?

It was supposed to be a cautionary tome, but to socialists of all stripes it's an operating manual.  I find it disturbing when people who call themselves "conservative" do it.

[WingNot]

Give it time, it will be a thread about the War between the Cakes.

The southern fruit cake will rise again good sir!

[INVAR]

You, sir, are a LIAR.  And seeing how this 'discrepancy' in your narrative has been pointed out to you already, it shows that you have no desire for truth at all.  Lying, and then doubling down on that lie? 

That is what he does.  In fact, that is ALL he does. And it begins with his insistence he is a Conservative when there is not a damn thing he has ever posted to this board that can be identified with Conservative principles. 

The guy is a typical Northeastern Leftist bullshitting everyone into thinking he is what he is not.  His own positions on everything from gay marriage to abortion, to guns and taxes to bashing adherent Christians and illegal immigration, are right out of the Pelosi playbook.

As long as the board and membership see him for what he is, then he serves the useful purpose of sharpening our iron and combat practice.

[Cyber Liberty]

Well, he isn't boring.  Gets him past the Mods.

[sneakypete]

The trouble comes when people impute motives to the actions of others.  We have a microcosm of that right here on this thread.  "Look at the hate of homosexuals on display!"  "They won't bake the damn cake because they're bigoted!"

@Cyber Liberty

The POINT is they have a right to both hate homosexuals if they want,and to not bake a damn cake for anybody they don't want to bake a cake for. In a FREE country,they have a choice and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference if you,I,or anyone else likes their choice.  What is important is that it IS their right,and that right be recognized.

[Hoodat]

Another problem with this case is that the original suit was brought by the California Department of Fair Housing and Employment.  This case has zero to do with housing or employment.

[Sanguine]

Another problem with this case is that the original suit was brought by the California Department of Fair Housing and Employment.  This case has zero to do with housing or employment.

Yes, but things are very...fluid in California. Non-judgemental.  Creative and open-minded.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

The POINT is they have a right to both hate homosexuals if they want,and to not bake a damn cake for anybody they don't want to bake a cake for. In a FREE country,they have a choice and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference if you,I,or anyone else likes their choice.  What is important is that it IS their right,and that right be recognized.

My point was the emotion is being assumed whether it's true or not.  Have you ever been called a hateful bigot when you know in your heart you are not?

[HoustonSam]

The POINT is they have a right to both hate homosexuals if they want,and to not bake a damn cake for anybody they don't want to bake a cake for. In a FREE country,they have a choice and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference if you,I,or anyone else likes their choice.  What is important is that it IS their right,and that right be recognized.

My point was the emotion is being assumed whether it's true or not.  Have you ever been called a hateful bigot when you know in your heart you are not?

I think both positions are valid.  Free people do have a right to hate, although not necessarily to act on that hate; and arguing against a hypothetical right does not imply hatred of the advocate, or beneficiary, of that hypothetical right.

[sneakypete]

My point was the emotion is being assumed whether it's true or not.  Have you ever been called a hateful bigot when you know in your heart you are not?

@Cyber Liberty

Practically every day of my life. Seriously.