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Baloney.  Any idiot who thinks an FBI agent who isn’t a personal friend is not on the clock deserves what he gets.

I am amazed at all the abuses by LE that you are OK with.

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I am amazed at all the abuses by LE that you are OK with.

You clearly like putting words in other people’s mouths.

I did not say I’m ok with law enforcement abuse.  I did say this looney toon wasn’t ambushed because he should have known full well that this wasn’t some friendly little chit-chat.  He was just, like most criminals, too convinced of his own superiority to think he’d ever get caught.

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   They both (DNC and RNC) colluded with foreign entities to help secure the election of their respective nominees. DNC in financing GPS for the dossier and Trump people meeting Russian agents in Trump Tower to get Hillary's emails.
   Remember obummer interfering in the Israeli and Brexit vote and Manafort in the Ukrainian vote as recent examples of what is considered ethical behavior these days, doesn't make it right, just the way it is these days, geopolitically.

Wow!  I can see clearly now.
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We do have, amongst other things, an offer to provide hacked emails.  How much cooperation was there on that?  We don’t know yet.  We have a guy who was already investigated once for being a Russian agent being hired as a campaign adviser and then trying to make connections with the Russians again. 

None of that proves all the elements of a crime, but it does provide enough smoke to give some people the basis for wondering if there’s any fire there. 

Probably there isn’t any fire there - Trump is too damned stupid in my opinion to have done something criminal that required guile and sophistication - but Trump did put out enough smoke, mostly through his own incompetence, that he brought this thing on himself.

Too stupid.... and yet..... he seemingly has outsmarted all those that seek, 24/7, his destruction and downfall.   How smart would he have to be for that to happen?  Unless.... he has big-G on his side.   Could it be?   :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

If you consider Trump as your opponent.... you obviously are ignoring Rule No. 1.

No quarter given to the enemy within...ever.

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Too stupid.... and yet..... he seemingly has outsmarted all those that seek, 24/7, his destruction and downfall.   How smart would he have to be for that to happen?  Unless.... he has big-G on his side.   Could it be?   :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

If you consider Trump as your opponent.... you obviously are ignoring Rule No. 1.




Yeah, pretty damned stupid.  But smart enough to have bullshitted enough people like you to get elected.  As they say, the sh** runs downhill, and Trumps standing uphill from you. 

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So you are ok with a Special Counsel with unlimited resources to investigate you? After all, who knows what crimes you have committed... that is why we need an investigation.


Just like in the old USSR comrade.  :police:

Oleander, as I call him, is so consumed with hate for the person he calls "a negligent, disorganized idiot)," that he is terrified this investigation will totally exonerate said idiot for all the crimes the media has accused him of.

I can scarcely bear to read all the hateful comments above.  Never mind that this "negligent, disorganized idiot" is the best President we've had for a long time and whose approval ratings continue to rise dramatically.
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Yeah, pretty damned stupid.  But smart enough to have bullshitted enough people like you to get elected.  As they say, the sh** runs downhill, and Trumps standing uphill from you.

LMAO!  Um... excuse me?   I didn't vote for him.  So there goes your line of BS (ooops!).
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Oleander, as I call him, is so consumed with hate for the person he calls "a negligent, disorganized idiot)," that he is terrified this investigation will totally exonerate said idiot for all the crimes the media has accused him of.

I can scarcely bear to read all the hateful comments above.  Never mind that this "negligent, disorganized idiot" is the best President we've had for a long time and whose approval ratings continue to rise dramatically.

:bigsilly:

I personally don’t think anything will result from Muellers investigation regarding Trump, no matter how badly the democrats want it, precisely because so far the evidence adduced only shows Trumps basic incompetence; but then, after the sideshows with people like Scaramucci, that’s hardly a secret. 

I’m hardly afraid of what I view as the most likely outcome. 

I just don’t have my ego and personality invested into Trump’s infallibility.  Unlike you, I don’t worship him as a god; I see him as just another politician, another fallible human being.  It’s too bad you can’t see the truth. 

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   They both (DNC and RNC) colluded with foreign entities to help secure the election of their respective nominees. DNC in financing GPS for the dossier and Trump people meeting Russian agents in Trump Tower to get Hillary's emails.
   Remember obummer interfering in the Israeli and Brexit vote and Manafort in the Ukrainian vote as recent examples of what is considered ethical behavior these days, doesn't make it right, just the way it is these days, geopolitically.

Yeah.... come to think of it.... ain't it funny.... how another nation tampering with OUR election is supposedly EEEEVIL.... but...

it is apparently A-OK for a USA leader to interfere with another nation's election ...

but only if/when that leader happens to be a DemocRat.   Especially if/when a clean, articulate (lying) DemocRat that has Soros help. 

The left's double standards are, per usual, the only standards they have.
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:bigsilly:

I personally don’t think anything will result from Muellers investigation regarding Trump, no matter how badly the democrats want it, precisely because so far the evidence adduced only shows Trumps basic incompetence; but then, after the sideshows with people like Scaramucci, that’s hardly a secret. 

I’m hardly afraid of what I view as the most likely outcome. 

I just don’t have my ego and personality invested into Trump’s infallibility.  Unlike you, I don’t worship him as a god; I see him as just another politician, another fallible human being.  It’s too bad you can’t see the truth.

It's too bad you can't see the truth.  I have posted at least 50 times full disclosure about my history with Trump as a politician.  I was almost as mean as you about him in the primaries and I still don't care for him as a person.

I started supporting him the morning he was elected as he saved the country from the most vicious woman who has ever lived.

I continued to try to support him when he did things I like.  He's done many, many things I like ... far more than I expected.

It's too bad you can't let go of your hate and contempt and give him a fair shake.
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It's too bad you can't see the truth.  I have posted at least 50 times full disclosure about my history with Trump as a politician.  I was almost as mean as you about him in the primaries and I still don't care for him as a person.

I started supporting him the morning he was elected as he saved the country from the most vicious woman who has ever lived.

I continued to try to support him when he did things I like.  He's done many, many things I like ... far more than I expected.

It's too bad you can't let go of your hate and contempt and give him a fair shake.

So you turned off your ability to think critically in order to support the president of your political party.  What makes you any different from the typical liberal who does the same thing to support their guy?  Answer: nothing.

Turning off your brain doesn’t excuse you, it implicates you.  And sorry, you can delude yourself all you want, but your posts pretty much demonstrate worship of Trump.  He can do no wrong as far as you’re concerned. 

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Is anybody as tired as I am about all the NT's immediately making stupid statements when a poster defends Trump about anything?

I am very tired of it.  It's old and it's wrong and it's mean.  Supporting trump on a particular issue is not Mad Idolatry.

There may be a Trump worshipper on this forum but I doubt that.  There are a couple of people who really admire him a LOT, but I wouldn't even call that worship.

What there really are a lot of here are Trump haters who cannot put it down for a minute.
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Is anybody as tired as I am about all the NT's immediately making stupid statements when a poster defends Trump about anything?

I am very tired of it.  It's old and it's wrong and it's mean.  Supporting trump on a particular issue is not Mad Idolatry.

There may be a Trump worshipper on this forum but I doubt that.  There are a couple of people who really admire him a LOT, but I wouldn't even call that worship.

What there really are a lot of here are Trump haters who cannot put it down for a minute.

No, what there is are a lot of people who refuse to believe that Trump can do anything wrong.  Not only will they not voice a single criticism, no matter how well deserved, they try to shut down anyone who does criticize Trump with imprecations of being a butt-hurt never-Trumper.

You have not expressed any legitimate criticism of Trump since he was elected, and, as you’ve just proven, you try to shut down anyone who does criticize him by labeling us as hateful never-Trumpers.

If you don’t like Trump being criticized, why don’t you go post at FR?  Otherwise, you’ll have to put your big-boy pants on and accept that some of us see Trump differently than you and choose to criticize his mistakes, even if you do not or cannot bring yourself to do likewise. 
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Hiring someone who was trying to illegally hook up with Russian agents back in 2013 as a campaign adviser on foreign affairs, and then having this same moron start trying to get involved with the Russians again suggests that there is probable cause to believe the campaign might be illegally involved with Russian agents. 

Meeting with Russians who are offering access to hacked emails and other information gives probable cause to believe that there might be a conspiracy to gain unlawful access to computer data, or possession of stolen computer data. 

Probable cause deals in probsbilities, not certainties, so none of these possibilities has to be true.

Furthermore, the cops don’t even need probable cause to start an investigation; probable cause is generally the requirement for a warrant to issue of an arrest to be made. 

A reasonable suspicion, which is less than probable cause, would almost certainly be enough to justify an investigation. 

And Trump, through his own stupidity and incompetence, allowed his campaign staff to do things that gave rise to a basis for suspicion. 

You want to point fingers?  Point them and the incompetent boob sitting in the White House and his propensity for hiring idiots and rubes without adequate vetting.  He finally seems to be learning from his mistakes, so he’s not irredeemable, but he is largely to blame for having given the democrats this opportunity.

Hiring someone who is alleged to have committed an illegality, notice "alleged", years before and never charged or prosecuted. Well, now that would eliminate almost anyone in DC.  I also note that there is no illegality in meeting with Russians..obama too, did it.

Where is the underlying crime? There is none. This is a political "investigation" from the start.

And when that comes from the highest levels of government, the obama regime using its corrupt levers of power...DOJ, FBI, IRS to investigate damage and destroy its political opponents... as we are seeing actual pruff of.... that is truly the real danger here.

Banana republic/Stassi State.

Far more "probable cause"..... which by the way is not that something is possible.... but rather you have actual tangible evidence of something. Not a fabricated DNC/Hilary , delivered by a worm called McCain to an FBI which new it was a political fabrication, produced in part by real substantiated collusion with the 'Russians".

My God man, I know you hate Trump. But wake up, the ground you stand on is the shifting sands of leftist despotism and corruption. Not a place a sound mind should place itself willingly.
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Exactly right IMO.  If someone was really interested in getting to the bottom of this and holding people accountable, I'd expect they'd be screaming at the top of their lungs:  special counsel, special counsel, special counsel (or Congressional hearing, Congressional hearing, Congressional hearing).  Instead, we've got public releases of partial classified information for clearly political reasons.  Releasing the memo to the public doesn't do anything for getting on a path of truly finding the guilty and holding them accountable.  JMO.

Peoe are screaming but then there's people running interference for the criminals.  Telling us it's no big deal.

Besides we don't need another special counsel.  Those are dangerous and IMO unconstitutional.   No we need to use the prosecutors we already have.

Maybe if so many people didn't care more about attacking Trump then stopping this threat to our Republic we'd get a prosecutor. 
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Hiring someone who is alleged to have committed an illegality, notice "alleged", years before and never charged or prosecuted. Well, now that would eliminate almost anyone in DC.  I also note that there is no illegality in meeting with Russians..obama too, did it.

Where is the underlying crime? There is none. This is a political "investigation" from the start.

And when that comes from the highest levels of government, the obama regime using its corrupt levers of power...DOJ, FBI, IRS to investigate damage and destroy its political opponents... as we are seeing actual pruff of.... that is truly the real danger here.

Banana republic/Stassi State.

Far more "probable cause"..... which by the way is not that something is possible.... but rather you have actual tangible evidence of something. Not a fabricated DNC/Hilary , delivered by a worm called McCain to an FBI which new it was a political fabrication, produced in part by real substantiated collusion with the 'Russians".

My God man, I know you hate Trump. But wake up, the ground you stand on is the shifting sands of leftist despotism and corruption. Not a place a sound mind should place itself willingly.

Conspiring with hackers to obtain emails illegally is a crime, and by talking with Russians offering to provide the same, without turning the matter over to the police, the Trump administration raised enough of a basis for a suspicion that there might be something illegal going on. 

My God man, can you stop worshipping another living human being as a saint long enough to realize that he did this to himself?  I know you have your entire ego bound up in the rightness of Donald Trump, but please, have some self-respect.

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Is anybody as tired as I am about all the NT's immediately making stupid statements when a poster defends Trump about anything?

I am very tired of it.  It's old and it's wrong and it's mean.  Supporting trump on a particular issue is not Mad Idolatry.

There may be a Trump worshipper on this forum but I doubt that.  There are a couple of people who really admire him a LOT, but I wouldn't even call that worship.

What there really are a lot of here are Trump haters who cannot put it down for a minute.

@Emjay

Yes very tired.  It just shows they don't have an intelligent argument and have to strike out emotionally like a toddler who lost his toy.
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Peoe are screaming but then there's people running interference for the criminals.  Telling us it's no big deal.

Besides we don't need another special counsel.  Those are dangerous and IMO unconstitutional.   No we need to use the prosecutors we already have.

Maybe if so many people didn't care more about attacking Trump then stopping this threat to our Republic we'd get a prosecutor.

@driftdiver

Perhaps I missed all that screaming, but who in the Administration or Congress is talking about taking specific actions (and what action is that) to truly investigate these allegations and to hold people accountable judicially?  The fact that some people think this is "no big deal" is precisely why I think we need an independent investigation to get to the bottom of it in a non-partisan way (if you don't like a special counsel then perhaps the IG), but I haven't heard much screaming for that from official channels, and I certainly haven't heard who specifically they think should conduct this independent investigation. 
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Baloney.  Any idiot who thinks an FBI agent who isn’t a personal friend is not on the clock deserves what he gets.

Your ignorance is like one of those big flares on a dark night.

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@driftdiver

Perhaps I missed all that screaming, but who in the Administration or Congress is talking about taking specific actions (and what action is that) to truly investigate these allegations and to hold people accountable judicially?  The fact that some people think this is "no big deal" is precisely why I think we need an independent investigation to get to the bottom of it in a non-partisan way (if you don't like a special counsel then perhaps the IG), but I haven't heard much screaming for that from official channels, and I certainly haven't heard who specifically they think should conduct this independent investigation.

If Trump does or says anything then you'll be crying obstruction or unlawful influence.   Give it a rest.
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Is anybody as tired as I am about all the NT's immediately making stupid statements when a poster defends Trump about anything?

I am very tired of it.  It's old and it's wrong and it's mean.  Supporting trump on a particular issue is not Mad Idolatry.

There may be a Trump worshipper on this forum but I doubt that.  There are a couple of people who really admire him a LOT, but I wouldn't even call that worship.

What there really are a lot of here are Trump haters who cannot put it down for a minute.

I don't mind hearing an alternative point of view. Its the nastiness and projection that gets tiresome.

Ironically its the kind of gratuitous bile that apparently first turned them off to hardcore Trump supporters.

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@Emjay

Yes very tired.  It just shows they don't have an intelligent argument and have to strike out emotionally like a toddler who lost his toy.

Because after the umpteenth time of being ridiculed as a never-trumper simply because one criticized Trump, it becomes evident that not even God himself could cause someone like you to acknowledge even the slightest flaw in Mr. Trump, and so what’s the point of presenting an argument to someone who will not only not consider it, but simply treat it as another reason for denigrating one as a butt-hurt never-trumper.

It’s impossible to have a discussion with someone who believes Trump is infallible and that any criticism of him is just political skullduggery. 

You made that bed, stop complaining about having to sleep in it.

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Your ignorance is like one of those big flares on a dark night.

Generals have a lot of people wanting their attention all the time.    A single word from them can move mountains.

/snicker

Your comment only reveals your ignorance.  A general of that stature would realize that someone who is not already a personal friend wants something from him, and would handle it accordingly. 
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/snicker

Your comment only reveals your ignorance.  A general of that stature would realize that someone who is not already a personal friend wants something from him, and would handle it accordingly.

Uh nope.   You don't lie to a general if you ever want help from any general ever again.   Not unless you're someone like Lockheed or General Dynamics and then they just buy the general.....i mean hire em.
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If Trump does or says anything then you'll be crying obstruction or unlawful influence.   Give it a rest.

No thanks on giving it a rest.  I won't be silenced, and my apologies if I wasn't clear.  My point is that I want to get to the bottom of this.  I hope everyone does, but how do we get to the bottom of this in a non-partisan way?  I want to get on with doing that, and I think the first step is a truly independent non-partisan review which looks at the facts (e.g., actual FISA application):  summaries available to the public won’t cut it so I say let’s get on with it.   

There are a plethora of folks who could be calling for that besides the President:  Sessions and members of Congress (probably the adults in the Senate) come to mind.  Why aren't they screaming for this?  I think because they are too focused on making political hay out of this and not focused on actual justice and fact.  Sad.
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