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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #125 on: January 24, 2018, 07:24:49 pm »

For the record, I'm not that religious, however, the reason why I think it is an issue, is that I would like be consistent. If I criticize Bill Clinton for his behavior than I have to criticize Trump for his behavior.

It seems pretty straightforward, doesn't it?

Why all the dancing around to make excuses for what one once condemned?   :shrug:
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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #126 on: January 24, 2018, 07:28:53 pm »
The left always brings up "theocracy" when they know they have lost the argument against morality.

It's as idiotic as any accusation ever leveled at moral people who expect the same in their leaders.  That we have to support debauchery, or we are demanding a theocracy.

Just lame brained.....   **nononono*

Everything you post tries to prove your thesis that the United States must be a Christian nation ... and a Christian as defined by you.

That is a theocracy.  And yes, your thesis IS lame brained.

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #127 on: January 24, 2018, 07:29:34 pm »
It seems pretty straightforward, doesn't it?

Why all the dancing around to make excuses for what one once condemned?   :shrug:

Where does a Christian get the right, never mind the power, to condemn another living soul? @musiclady



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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #128 on: January 24, 2018, 07:31:32 pm »
@musiclady

Disagreement isn't mocking.   I was taught that in gradeschool.

OK.  You weren't mocking anyone here.


Right.   :shrug:

(Except that "when I was in grade school" stuff).
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Character still matters.  It always matters.

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #129 on: January 24, 2018, 07:49:47 pm »
You're talking like we have a choice of who is President right now today.  We don't, he won and he's President.

So you can continue to rant and rave about his every flaw and help the dems push forward their agenda.

Ahhhh, so once again the Trumpians insist that any criticizing of Trump hurts the Prez and helps the Democrats.

That's plain bovine excrement pal, by the mouth of the leaders of your Trump cheerleader squad right here on this board. 

Not only were we told that Trump does not need our *GD support*, we were recently told right here on the board that not only does Trump not need or want our support, any support we gave Trump would hurt *Trump's "brand"*.

Your own fellow followers of Trump contradict your silly assertion.

Or you can work with what we've got and encourage him to make the right decisions going forward. 

As if Trump listens to anyone but himself and his own ego to begin with.

Once again, your fellows just told us that Trump does not need our *GD support* and that we would hurt *Trump's brand* if we did support him on anything.
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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #130 on: January 24, 2018, 07:54:37 pm »

For the record, I'm not that religious, however, the reason why I think it is an issue, is that I would like be consistent. If I criticize Bill Clinton for his behavior than I have to criticize Trump for his behavior.

I am not that religious either. And I have no illusions that all men, even men we otherwise respect are necessarily perfect especially in their sex lives.

However, I do find it strange and hypercritical that a pastor would use a term like “mulligan” to excuse Trump’s very real and alleged marital infidelities especially considering what Trump has unrepentantly said himself about them and said he thinks he doesn’t need to ask for forgiveness from God.

If someone confesses their sin and repents and goes on to sin no more, that I can understand a pastor or man of God saying the sinner is forgiven, but a "mulligan"? I don't recall Jesus ever using that term or saying…. “Bear with each other and give a mulligan to one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Give a mulligan as the Lord gave a mulligan to you.”

And for what it's worth, as someone who plays the game, in golf, a mulligan is actually against the rules. It is typically a bad tee shot that someone doesn't count as a stroke and takes over as if the first one never happened and people who take mulligans in golf are known as cheaters. And FWIW, Trump has been known as doing just that - cheating in golf by not counting all his strokes and not playing by the rules.

But the even bigger issue to me, lest anyone loses sight of it, was the (alleged) payoff for the silence.

If he’s willing to pay off whores to keep his sexcapades silent, who else and for what else is he willing to pay off? Think about that.

With Nixon and Clinton, it was the cover up and the lying about the cover up that nailed them.

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #131 on: January 24, 2018, 07:56:49 pm »
Ahhhh, so once again the Trumpians insist that any criticizing of Trump hurts the Prez and helps the Democrats.

That's plain bovine excrement pal, by the mouth of the leaders of your Trump cheerleader squad right here on this board. 

Not only were we told that Trump does not need our *GD support*, we were recently told right here on the board that not only does Trump not need or want our support, any support we gave Trump would hurt *Trump's "brand"*.

Your own fellow followers of Trump contradict your silly assertion.

As if Trump listens to anyone but himself and his own ego to begin with.

Once again, your fellows just told us that Trump does not need our *GD support* and that we would hurt *Trump's brand* if we did support him on anything.

Who cares what other people who hold similar views might have said?

Their posts do not in any way invalidate one poster's opinion.
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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #132 on: January 24, 2018, 08:20:02 pm »
Who cares what other people who hold similar views might have said?

Their posts do not in any way invalidate one poster's opinion.

No, but apparently our posts DO somehow magically hurt Trump and advance the Democrat agenda according to some.
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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #133 on: January 24, 2018, 08:57:41 pm »
In the first place, the media completely hid JFK's dalliances from the average American, and Conservative Christians didn't know a thing about his rampant immorality.

In the second place, I was a part of the Evangelical community during those years (I'm betting you weren't), and no way under Heaven would that kind of licentious behavior be given any kind of pass.

You are confusing your feelings with historical reality, @Frank Cannon .

Just because YOU don't care about immoral "leaders" doesn't mean that others didn't/don't.

When Clinton was in office, Christians were up in arms because of his sexual predation and infidelity.

Now, supposedly the same people are giving the SAME BEHAVIOR a pass in Trump.

If it is true (and it is with some), then it means the Church in America is on the decline (or totally destroyed).


btw, as a follower of Jesus Christ, I cannot be insulted or cursed into retreat on Biblical truth.

You can keep trying to shame me for believing that God's Word means what it says, but it's never, ever going to work.

It's just flailing.

You're right. I need to follow the leadership of Evangelicals from back in your good old days. They knew what they were talking about with moral leadership.....




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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #134 on: January 24, 2018, 09:07:02 pm »
Jim Bakker seems apropos here, since after the Jessica Hahn incident, we discovered PTL stood for Pay The Lady.
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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #135 on: January 24, 2018, 09:12:04 pm »
In related news, Ken Copeland got his new jet!

https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article195841759.html

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #136 on: January 24, 2018, 09:12:37 pm »
Jim Bakker seems apropos here, since after the Jessica Hahn incident, we discovered PTL stood for Pay The Lady.

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #137 on: January 24, 2018, 09:12:46 pm »
You're right. I need to follow the leadership of Evangelicals from back in your good old days. They knew what they were talking about with moral leadership.....



That reminds me , I need to list a few religious relics I received as "pledge gifts" On Ebay tonight.  After sending my generous offering to Rev. "Little" Ed Pemberton, of the Church of the Mighty Struggle, I received two John the Baptist shower curtains. A set of The World is Coming to an End lawn furniture, and a St. Peter and Paul spice rack. .  Anyone have a suggested "Buy It Now" price for my religious items?
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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #138 on: January 24, 2018, 09:14:13 pm »
In related news, Ken Copeland got his new jet!

https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article195841759.html

The Jesus business is doing well....

The jet, one church member said, is “the plane the Lord had set aside” for the ministry, based in Newark, Texas.

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #139 on: January 24, 2018, 09:15:02 pm »
... I don't recall Jesus ever using that term or saying…. “Bear with each other and give a mulligan to one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Give a mulligan as the Lord gave a mulligan to you...”

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #140 on: January 24, 2018, 09:15:29 pm »
That reminds me , I need to list a few religious relics I received as "pledge gifts" On Ebay tonight.  After sending my generous offering to Rev. "Little" Ed Pemberton, of the Church of the Mighty Struggle, I received two John the Baptist shower curtains. A set of The World is Coming to an End lawn furniture, and a St. Peter and Paul spice rack. .  Anyone have a suggested "Buy It Now" price for my religious items?

I think the lowest base price on such 'blessed merchandise' is a minimum "love gift" of $500.00
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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #141 on: January 24, 2018, 09:18:06 pm »
That reminds me , I need to list a few religious relics I received as "pledge gifts" On Ebay tonight.  After sending my generous offering to Rev. "Little" Ed Pemberton, of the Church of the Mighty Struggle, I received two John the Baptist shower curtains. A set of The World is Coming to an End lawn furniture, and a St. Peter and Paul spice rack. .  Anyone have a suggested "Buy It Now" price for my religious items?

No wonder you are having bad fortune and need to sell your holy relics. You didn't get Peter Popoff's Miracle Spring Water. If you did, you would be rolling in dough....



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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #142 on: January 24, 2018, 09:23:42 pm »
Jesus Saves and Jessica Puts Out.


Former Pentecostal preacher-turned-comedian Sam Kinison knew both to be true........


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I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #143 on: January 24, 2018, 09:25:16 pm »
Where does a Christian get the right, never mind the power, to condemn another living soul? @musiclady
Does not the scripture say "If your brother sins, rebuke him?"

Did not the Apostle Paul tell the church of Corinth to not even eat with those engaged in sexual sin?

You yourself have preached that Trump is a Christian. Should we not denounce his behavior?
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« Reply #144 on: January 24, 2018, 09:28:20 pm »
Where does a Christian get the right, never mind the power, to condemn another living soul? @musiclady

From Christ?

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #145 on: January 24, 2018, 09:29:02 pm »
Does not the scripture say "If your brother sins, rebuke him?"

Did not the Apostle Paul tell the church of Corinth to not even eat with those engaged in sexual sin?

You yourself have preached that Trump is a Christian. Should we not denounce his behavior?

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Its funny how the issue the NTs are denouncing always happens to be on the same subject that the left is pushing that day.

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« Reply #146 on: January 24, 2018, 09:36:35 pm »
@jmyrlefuller
Its funny how the issue the NTs are denouncing always happens to be on the same subject that the left is pushing that day.

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"That day?" Come on; we've known about this kind of behavior for years. Karen McDougal got the same kind of hush money back in 2016.
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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #147 on: January 24, 2018, 09:46:32 pm »
No wonder you are having bad fortune and need to sell your holy relics. You didn't get Peter Popoff's Miracle Spring Water. If you did, you would be rolling in dough....




Sadly, they were sold out of the new Larger Size of the water.   So I ordered the Popoff Miracle Manna instead.  Now based on the claims, Miracle Manna is cake from heaven that empowers you to do God’s will. Also it would cause people to write large checks to me for reasons unknown.  As if that wasn't enough, All my dreams were to come true.

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #148 on: January 24, 2018, 09:51:09 pm »
@jmyrlefuller
Its funny how the issue the NTs are denouncing always happens to be on the same subject that the left is pushing that day.

Irony

We think it's funny that ATs always happen to use the same talking points as the Left to excuse, justify and exonerate their politicians' bad behavior.
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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #149 on: January 24, 2018, 10:29:41 pm »
From Christ?

Matthew 18:15-17

Doesn't Matt talk about a person sinning against you personally and that you should have a personal chat about it first?

Since this whole thread is based on rumors and innuendo, I would think this would be more appropriate....

Proverbs 17:4 Whoever practices evil pays attention to wicked speech, and the liar listens to malicious talk.

 Exodus 23:1 “You must not pass along false rumors. You must not cooperate with evil people by lying on the witness stand.

Proverbs 6:14 Their perverted hearts plot evil, and they constantly stir up trouble.

Romans 1:29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,

 


Put that in your bible and smoke it.