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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #100 on: January 24, 2018, 05:35:53 pm »
@Frank Cannon  Frank, are you capable of posting without using foul language?

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #101 on: January 24, 2018, 05:36:03 pm »
I always know that I hit a home run when the personal insults start. Keep them coming. It proves my point.

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Actually it shows you don't have a point.   We are all sinners yet you behave as if you're perfect.   You judge other people for their mistakes but have no solution.  Nothing to do but throw stones from your glass house.

I fought against trump in the primaries.  He won and is the President.  So exactly why are you sitting their gossiping and throwing conjecture around?    You're taking the word of a porn star who through her own words is proven to be a liar, to condemn Trump.     A porn star....   lol seriously?
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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #102 on: January 24, 2018, 05:36:55 pm »
Eff no.

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #103 on: January 24, 2018, 05:37:59 pm »
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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #104 on: January 24, 2018, 05:39:15 pm »
I always know that I hit a home run when the personal insults start. Keep them coming. It proves my point.

That's a positive spin on being a jackass. Good for you making lemonade out of lemons.

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #105 on: January 24, 2018, 05:39:23 pm »
I do not support or trust a politician that has a demonstrable lack character and the fruits of someone that does not champion the same principles I do. 

You vote for whomever the hell you want to vote for.   

If you think that I will only vote for Jesus because my own litmus test discards your chosen politician as someone deserving my support, then you go think that.

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LOL oh man don;t get angry because I've once again pointed out the fallacy of your position.   Someday a perfect candidate will sign up and then you can come down form your ivory tower.
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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #106 on: January 24, 2018, 05:49:08 pm »
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LOL oh man don;t get angry because I've once again pointed out the fallacy of your position.   Someday a perfect candidate will sign up and then you can come down form your ivory tower.

Oh yes, because choosing persons of demonstrably debased character simply because their voter base thinks they are going to give them what they promise has done absolute wonders for the country.

It is absolutely AMAZING that you Trumpians can spout word-for-word argumentative insults verbatim that the hardcore Godless Left flings simply because we do not support your chosen politician or position.
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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #107 on: January 24, 2018, 05:50:14 pm »
@Night Hides Not
Its not leading us anywhere.  We've permitted and encouraged immoral politicians for decades.   

But lets say we don't support him.   What are the options?   He's still the President.   Should we not support his move to pull money from the UN?  To speak out for the right to life organizations?    To cut taxes?

When I think about challenging Trump’s republican critics with your insightful questions, I fully expect the answers to constitute a paradox: “I love his conservative victories! He’s a moronic jackass!”

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #108 on: January 24, 2018, 05:55:46 pm »
We are talking about Presidential mulligans @ConservativeGranny  Reagan was a President who at the time lived a rather unconventional life for a "conservative" ... Democrat, union leader, actor, late night commercial king, a Hollywood player, divorced, a pregnant girlfriend, the way he treated his children .... not the stuff of evangelical teachings.  To this day you're giving him a mulligan.

Respectfully, you know nothing of Trump supporters .... except what you've twisted to fit your rather narrow worldview.

There is one oath I want an elected politician to uphold above all others:  to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.   How a couple lives their marital vows is not up to me or my concern.  It really shouldn't be your concern either.

Our government is a cesspool because of corruption ... a breach of the oath I cited above .... not because of sex.  Jimmy Carter, the staunchest example of the moral Christian man was a complete eff-up in office and the world, especially the Middle East, is still paying the price.

I'd rather a flawed man who fights for the nation he loves over a religious missionary.  Given a choice, I'll choose the flawed doer.  Like Churchill.  Like Reagan.  Like Trump.

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« Reply #109 on: January 24, 2018, 05:59:21 pm »
@ConservativeGranny

Actually it shows you don't have a point.   We are all sinners yet you behave as if you're perfect.   You judge other people for their mistakes but have no solution.  Nothing to do but throw stones from your glass house.

I fought against trump in the primaries.  He won and is the President.  So exactly why are you sitting their gossiping and throwing conjecture around?    You're taking the word of a porn star who through her own words is proven to be a liar, to condemn Trump.     A porn star....   lol seriously?

And you are taking the word of a reality tv star and known liar who cheated on his previous two wives as well. I've listed my points time and time again. You don't agree with them obviously and that is fine with me. You have a right to your own opinion. I never said that we were not all sinners and never said I was perfect either but I have never cheated on my spouse. There is nothing wrong with using judgement. We use judgement and discretion all of the time. It is part of the process of making good choices and it is what juries do.

The choices that the POTUS makes in his personal life and his lack of morality can affect the people is is supposed to be serving in many ways. Like I said, it leaves him open for blackmail for example Russia could use that information to pressure Trump to make decisions that favor Russia but put the US in danger. If Trump wasn't the POTUS I could care less how many times he was cheating on his wife but his life became an open book when he chose to run for the position. So you see, I have a point. I have several. You don't agree with them.

And you are wrong again. I did have a solution. One of them was to stop electing people just because they belong to your team. There were other choices besides Donald Trump. When moral men are presented to the people the people don't seem to want them. I think we are getting the leadership that reflects our society as a whole and it isn't flattering. The only way to change this is to stop doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for different results just because the guy is batting for your team. Especially when your team hasn't shown that they have any  higher standards of morality than the other guy. You don't like that solution that's okay too. I don't expect die-hard supporters to change their minds about Trump no matter what he does.

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #110 on: January 24, 2018, 06:02:01 pm »
We have to at least give Trump credit on this for hiring only the best, making sure the jobs go to Americans, and keep in his word on increased domestic drilling.
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« Reply #111 on: January 24, 2018, 06:03:00 pm »
We have to at least give Trump credit on this for hiring only the best, making sure the jobs go to Americans, and keep in his word on increased domestic drilling.

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #112 on: January 24, 2018, 06:43:30 pm »


In the first place, the media completely hid JFK's dalliances from the average American, and Conservative Christians didn't know a thing about his rampant immorality.

In the second place, I was a part of the Evangelical community during those years (I'm betting you weren't), and no way under Heaven would that kind of licentious behavior be given any kind of pass.

You are confusing your feelings with historical reality, @Frank Cannon .

Just because YOU don't care about immoral "leaders" doesn't mean that others didn't/don't.

When Clinton was in office, Christians were up in arms because of his sexual predation and infidelity.

Now, supposedly the same people are giving the SAME BEHAVIOR a pass in Trump.

If it is true (and it is with some), then it means the Church in America is on the decline (or totally destroyed).


btw, as a follower of Jesus Christ, I cannot be insulted or cursed into retreat on Biblical truth.

You can keep trying to shame me for believing that God's Word means what it says, but it's never, ever going to work.

It's just flailing.
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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #113 on: January 24, 2018, 06:46:15 pm »
In the first place, the media completely hid JFK's dalliances from the average American, and Conservative Christians didn't know a thing about his rampant immorality.

In the second place, I was a part of the Evangelical community during those years (I'm betting you weren't), and no way under Heaven would that kind of licentious behavior be given any kind of pass.

You are confusing your feelings with historical reality, @Frank Cannon .

Just because YOU don't care about immoral "leaders" doesn't mean that others didn't/don't.

When Clinton was in office, Christians were up in arms because of his sexual predation and infidelity.

Now, supposedly the same people are giving the SAME BEHAVIOR a pass in Trump.

If it is true (and it is with some), then it means the Church in America is on the decline (or totally destroyed).


btw, as a follower of Jesus Christ, I cannot be insulted or cursed into retreat on Biblical truth.

You can keep trying to shame me for believing that God's Word means what it says, but it's never, ever going to work.

It's just flailing.

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« Reply #114 on: January 24, 2018, 06:46:44 pm »
I always know that I hit a home run when the personal insults start. Keep them coming. It proves my point.

That's exactly what's happening here.

Anybody who has moral standards and still supports Trump, KNOWS they are defying their own values by defending him on this.

It is guilt that leads them to vomit their personal insults, and yes...... It proves your point completely.

All they would have to say is that, "I used to have moral values, but I've set them aside for political goals."  That, at least would be honest.  But mocking people who still hold to the same values they once did is a sign of weakness and defeat.

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Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

"Sometimes I think the Church would be better off if we would call a moratorium on activity for about six weeks and just wait on God to see what He is waiting to do for us. That's what they did before Pentecost."   - A. W. Tozer

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« Reply #116 on: January 24, 2018, 06:58:04 pm »
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Anybody who has moral standards and still supports Trump, KNOWS they are defying their own values by defending him on this.

It is guilt that leads them to vomit their personal insults, and yes...... It proves your point completely.

All they would have to say is that, "I used to have moral values, but I've set them aside for political goals."  That, at least would be honest.  But mocking people who still hold to the same values they once did is a sign of weakness and defeat. 

Well @musiclady the Sanhedrin wing of Christianity hasn't and will not garner enough power to change our Republic into a Theocracy.   I hope you find a way to deal with it.

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #117 on: January 24, 2018, 07:01:50 pm »
We have to at least give Trump credit on this for hiring only the best, making sure the jobs go to Americans, and keep in his word on increased domestic drilling.

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« Reply #118 on: January 24, 2018, 07:07:15 pm »
Well @musiclady the Sanhedrin wing of Christianity hasn't and will not garner enough power to change our Republic into a Theocracy.   I hope you find a way to deal with it.

So now you are using actual Atheist/Leftist talking points now to shame those governed by religious morality and principles you demand they set aside to support your prince?????

I find it very revealing that so many of you Trumpians have so much in common with your average Godless Leftist.  It REALLY burns you people that those who are governed by their biblical faith won't abandon it to support a policy or someone you demand they support, so you insult their faith and accuse them of everything from imposing a theocracy to shoving our morality by the point of a gun down everyone's throat.

Simply because we will not genuflect your prince.

Pathetic.
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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #119 on: January 24, 2018, 07:15:44 pm »
And you are taking the word of a reality tv star and known liar who cheated on his previous two wives as well. I've listed my points time and time again. You don't agree with them obviously and that is fine with me. You have a right to your own opinion. I never said that we were not all sinners and never said I was perfect either but I have never cheated on my spouse. There is nothing wrong with using judgement. We use judgement and discretion all of the time. It is part of the process of making good choices and it is what juries do.

The choices that the POTUS makes in his personal life and his lack of morality can affect the people is is supposed to be serving in many ways. Like I said, it leaves him open for blackmail for example Russia could use that information to pressure Trump to make decisions that favor Russia but put the US in danger. If Trump wasn't the POTUS I could care less how many times he was cheating on his wife but his life became an open book when he chose to run for the position. So you see, I have a point. I have several. You don't agree with them.

And you are wrong again. I did have a solution. One of them was to stop electing people just because they belong to your team. There were other choices besides Donald Trump. When moral men are presented to the people the people don't seem to want them. I think we are getting the leadership that reflects our society as a whole and it isn't flattering. The only way to change this is to stop doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for different results just because the guy is batting for your team. Especially when your team hasn't shown that they have any  higher standards of morality than the other guy. You don't like that solution that's okay too. I don't expect die-hard supporters to change their minds about Trump no matter what he does.

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@ConservativeGranny

You're talking like we have a choice of who is President right now today.  We don't, he won and he's President.

So you can continue to rant and rave about his every flaw and help the dems push forward their agenda.   Maybe that isn't your intent but it's the facts.

Or you can work with what we've got and encourage him to make the right decisions going forward.  So far he's shown himself remarkably willing to listen to conservatives.  More so then any President since Reagan.

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« Reply #120 on: January 24, 2018, 07:16:53 pm »
So now you are using actual Atheist/Leftist talking points now to shame those governed by religious morality and principles you demand they set aside to support your prince?????

I find it very revealing that so many of you Trumpians have so much in common with your average Godless Leftist.  It REALLY burns you people that those who are governed by their biblical faith won't abandon it to support a policy or someone you demand they support, so you insult their faith and accuse them of everything from imposing a theocracy to shoving our morality by the point of a gun down everyone's throat.

Simply because we will not genuflect your prince.

Pathetic.


For the record, I'm not that religious, however, the reason why I think it is an issue, is that I would like be consistent. If I criticize Bill Clinton for his behavior than I have to criticize Trump for his behavior.
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« Reply #121 on: January 24, 2018, 07:19:41 pm »

For the record, I'm not that religious, however, the reason why I think it is an issue, is that I would like be consistent. If I criticize Bill Clinton for his behavior than I have to criticize Trump for his behavior.

Yes bit just about all you for do is criticize.  Sujn up to sun down.   No deep discussion just finger wagging.

And ironically you seem to wake up and look to see what the leftists are hollering about that day before deciding what to criticize.
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« Reply #122 on: January 24, 2018, 07:20:29 pm »
@ConservativeGranny

You're talking like we have a choice of who is President right now today.  We don't, he won and he's President.

So you can continue to rant and rave about his every flaw and help the dems push forward their agenda.   Maybe that isn't your intent but it's the facts.

Or you can work with what we've got and encourage him to make the right decisions going forward.  So far he's shown himself remarkably willing to listen to conservatives.  More so then any President since Reagan.

Ah, but there's a significant difference between recognizing that we have been dealt a bad hand and have to deal with it, and mocking others who continue to maintain the moral values that you once had yourself.

Why do you do the latter?
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« Reply #123 on: January 24, 2018, 07:23:20 pm »
So now you are using actual Atheist/Leftist talking points now to shame those governed by religious morality and principles you demand they set aside to support your prince?????

I find it very revealing that so many of you Trumpians have so much in common with your average Godless Leftist.  It REALLY burns you people that those who are governed by their biblical faith won't abandon it to support a policy or someone you demand they support, so you insult their faith and accuse them of everything from imposing a theocracy to shoving our morality by the point of a gun down everyone's throat.

Simply because we will not genuflect your prince.

Pathetic.

The left always brings up "theocracy" when they know they have lost the argument against morality.

It's as idiotic as any accusation ever leveled at moral people who expect the same in their leaders.  That we have to support debauchery, or we are demanding a theocracy.

Just lame brained.....   **nononono*
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I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
« Reply #124 on: January 24, 2018, 07:24:31 pm »
Ah, but there's a significant difference between recognizing that we have been dealt a bad hand and have to deal with it, and mocking others who continue to maintain the moral values that you once had yourself.

Why do you do the latter?

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Disagreement isn't mocking.   I was taught that in gradeschool.
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