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Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« on: January 19, 2018, 03:11:17 pm »
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/17/trump-march-for-life-2018-343842

President Donald Trump will speak at Friday’s March for Life, becoming the first sitting president to address the annual anti-abortion gathering by satellite in its 45-year history.

The announcement, made on Wednesday by the White House, caps a stunning evolution for Trump, who once declared himself “pro-choice in every respect.” A year into his first term as president, anti-abortion groups are praising his record as one of the most supportive of their cause in recent memory.


“He has been great on pro-life public policy,” March for Life’s president, Jeanne Mancini, told POLITICO. “He doesn’t lack courage. He’s been leaning into this issue in a way that’s refreshing.”
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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2018, 03:18:13 pm »
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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2018, 03:21:24 pm »
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/17/trump-march-for-life-2018-343842

President Donald Trump will speak at Friday’s March for Life, becoming the first sitting president to address the annual anti-abortion gathering by satellite in its 45-year history.

The announcement, made on Wednesday by the White House, caps a stunning evolution for Trump, who once declared himself “pro-choice in every respect.” A year into his first term as president, anti-abortion groups are praising his record as one of the most supportive of their cause in recent memory.


“He has been great on pro-life public policy,” March for Life’s president, Jeanne Mancini, told POLITICO. “He doesn’t lack courage. He’s been leaning into this issue in a way that’s refreshing.”
God bless President Trump for taking a stand for the unborn.

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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2018, 03:22:06 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia

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I am @driftdiver  ... thanks.

I'll post a link to his speech as soon as I find one.   :patriot:

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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2018, 03:22:57 pm »
God bless President Trump for taking a stand for the unborn.

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I did not expect him to take this position.  By all prior statements before the campaign he was pro-choice.
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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2018, 04:19:49 pm »
By all prior statements before the campaign he was pro-choice.

Possibly attributable to a combination of political expediency and guilt over ones paid for in the past.
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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2018, 07:40:45 pm »
Possibly attributable to a combination of political expediency and guilt over ones paid for in the past.

Can't wait for someone to produce a photo copy of an abortion Trump paid for from his past....
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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2018, 07:44:26 pm »
Can't wait for someone to produce a photo copy of an abortion Trump paid for from his past....


I don’t know whether he has or not, but he was asked the question directly. He declined to answer it and said to move on. For most people, that’s an easy unequivocal ‘No,’ followed by outrage the question was asked in the first place.
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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2018, 07:53:28 pm »

I don’t know whether he has or not, but he was asked the question directly. He declined to answer it and said to move on. For most people, that’s an easy unequivocal ‘No,’ followed by outrage the question was asked in the first place.

That is right.  You don't know.  But lies and innuendo about shall rule the day now that he has supported Life. 
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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2018, 07:58:22 pm »
Possibly attributable to a combination of political expediency and guilt over ones paid for in the past.

How many spending bills has Trump signed that include funding for abortion?

A speech is no U-turn

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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2018, 08:04:07 pm »
Possibly attributable to a combination of political expediency and guilt over ones paid for in the past.

He says that all changed due to someone he knew that had a "superstar" kid that was nearly aborted:

"And what happened is friends of mine years ago were going to have a child, and it was going to be aborted. And it wasn't aborted. And that child today is a total superstar, a great, great child. And I saw that. And I saw other instances. And I am very, very proud to say that I am pro-life."

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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2018, 08:08:17 pm »
That is right.  You don't know.


I do know he wouldn't answer the question when asked directly in April 2016.

In an MSNBC interview with Chris Matthews, the formerly pro-choice Trump somehow managed to end up to the right of the National Right to Life Committee when he said that for women, but not men, “there has to be some form of punishment” if a President Trump makes abortion illegal.

Trump quickly recanted and even told CBS’s John Dickerson that “the laws are set. And I think we have to leave it that way.”

“This was not real life,” he told me. “This was a hypothetical, so I thought of it in terms of a hypothetical. So that’s where that answer came from, hypothetically.”

Given his draconian comment, sending women back to back alleys, I had to ask: When he was a swinging bachelor in Manhattan, was he ever involved with anyone who had an abortion?

“Such an interesting question,” he said. “So what’s your next question?”


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/03/opinion/sunday/trump-does-it-his-way.html?_r=0
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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2018, 08:15:44 pm »

I do know he wouldn't answer the question when asked directly in April 2016.


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/03/opinion/sunday/trump-does-it-his-way.html?_r=0

So when asked very personal questions like "When did you stop beating your wife" ...no answers  means 'Yes"?

Okay then.   
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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2018, 08:23:27 pm »
So when asked very personal questions like "When did you stop beating your wife" ...no answers  means 'Yes"?

Okay then.


Problem is, one is a yes or no question.  The other is a loaded question and logical fallacy.
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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2018, 08:27:27 pm »

Problem is, one is a yes or no question.  The other is a loaded question and logical fallacy.

Like I tell my kids.  Don't listen to what I say listen to what I mean.   

and you know what I meant.
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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2018, 08:44:10 pm »
Like I tell my kids.  Don't listen to what I say listen to what I mean.   

and you know what I meant.


I did know, but I don't buy into the 'personal question' excuse as anything but a dodge, when the issue is an important campaign stance and they'd be setting the agenda as the party nominee.



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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2018, 09:21:42 pm »

I did know, but I don't buy into the 'personal question' excuse as anything but a dodge, when the issue is an important campaign stance and they'd be setting the agenda as the party nominee.

With Trump's lifestyle as a youth, I'd venture to guess that he's paid for at least one abortion.  Lord willing, he's turned his life around......

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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2018, 09:26:45 pm »

I did know, but I don't buy into the 'personal question' excuse as anything but a dodge, when the issue is an important campaign stance and they'd be setting the agenda as the party nominee.

He's willing to talk publicly about the size of his penis, but not answer that question?  That seems odd to me.

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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2018, 09:29:06 pm »
With Trump's lifestyle as a youth, I'd venture to guess that he's paid for at least one abortion.  Lord willing, he's turned his life around......

I never supported abortion.

Even as a teenager I never even considered abortion as a possibility if I got a girl pregnant. Becoming a father was the only option.

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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2018, 09:29:30 pm »
He's willing to talk publicly about the size of his penis, but not answer that question?  That seems odd to me.

That, along with how he's a germaphobe, gets tons of beautiful women, his net worth, and other things people usually keep to themselves.  Suddenly, he's Captain Demure when Dowdy asks a tough question.
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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2018, 10:27:43 pm »
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Proclamations

President Donald J. Trump Proclaims January 22, 2018, as National Sanctity of Human Life Day

Issued on: January 19, 2018
 
Today, we focus our attention on the love and protection each person, born and unborn, deserves regardless of disability, gender, appearance, or ethnicity. Much of the greatest suffering in our Nation’s history — and, indeed, our planet’s history — has been the result of disgracefully misguided attempts to dehumanize whole classes of people based on these immutable characteristics. We cannot let this shameful history repeat itself in new forms, and we must be particularly vigilant to safeguard the most vulnerable lives among us. This is why we observe National Sanctity of Human Life Day: to affirm the truth that all life is sacred, that every person has inherent dignity and worth, and that no class of people should ever be discarded as “non-human.”

Reverence for every human life, one of the values for which our Founding Fathers fought, defines the character of our Nation. Today, it moves us to promote the health of pregnant mothers and their unborn children. It animates our concern for single moms; the elderly, the infirm, and the disabled; and orphan and foster children. It compels us to address the opioid epidemic and to bring aid to those who struggle with mental illness. It gives us the courage to stand up for the weak and the powerless. And it dispels the notion that our worth depends on the extent to which we are planned for or wanted.

Science continues to support and build the case for life. Medical technologies allow us to see images of the unborn children moving their newly formed fingers and toes, yawning, and even smiling. Those images present us with irrefutable evidence that babies are growing within their mothers’ wombs — precious, unique lives, each deserving a future filled with promise and hope. We can also now operate on babies in utero to stave off life-threatening diseases. These important medical advances give us an even greater appreciation for the humanity of the unborn.

Today, citizens throughout our great country are working for the cause of life and fighting for the unborn, driven by love and supported by both science and philosophy. These compassionate Americans are volunteers who assist women through difficult pregnancies, facilitate adoptions, and offer hope to those considering or recovering from abortions. They are medical providers who, often at the risk of their livelihood, conscientiously refuse to participate in abortions. And they are legislators who support health and safety standards, informed consent, parental notification, and bans on late-term abortions, when babies can feel pain. These undeterred warriors, many of whom travel to Washington, D.C., every year for the March for Life, are changing hearts and saving lives through their passionate defense of and loving care for all human lives. Thankfully, the number of abortions, which has been in steady decline since 1980, is now at a historic low. Though the fight to protect life is not yet over, we commit to advocating each day for all who cannot speak for themselves.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim January 22, 2018, as National Sanctity of Human Life Day. I call on all Americans to reflect on the value of our lives; to respond to others in keeping with their inherent dignity; to act compassionately to those with disabilities, infirmities, or frailties; to look beyond external factors that might separate us; and to embrace the common humanity that unites us.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this nineteenth day of January, in the year of our Lord two thousand eighteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and forty-second.

DONALD J. TRUMP


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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2018, 10:32:21 pm »
Much of the greatest suffering in our Nation’s history — and, indeed, our planet’s history — has been the result of disgracefully misguided attempts to dehumanize whole classes of people based on these immutable characteristics.


Especially when they're from 'shithole countries.......'
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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2018, 10:55:48 pm »
Much of the greatest suffering in our Nation’s history — and, indeed, our planet’s history — has been the result of disgracefully misguided attempts to dehumanize whole classes of people based on these immutable characteristics.


Especially when they're from 'shithole countries.......'

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Re: Trump's speech to March for Life marks a U-turn on abortion
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2018, 11:01:51 pm »

I'll refer readers here to Matthew 21:28-32

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