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Illinois city runs out of other people's money
« on: January 07, 2018, 10:48:29 am »
January 6, 2018
Illinois city runs out of other people's money
By Thomas Lifson

Elected officials in the City of Harvey, Illinois are going to be missing their paychecks, as the decades of over-spending and over-taxing finally come home for the politicians responsible for the crisis.

Zack Keske of the Chicago Tribune reports:

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/01/illinois_city_runs_out_of_other_peoples_money.html#ixzz53UjKDvfz
 

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Re: Illinois city runs out of other people's money
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2018, 01:33:45 pm »
Even going as far back as the mid 80's Harvey was a place, if you couldn't avoid driving thu it all together, was best to get in and out of before 11 am.
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Re: Illinois city runs out of other people's money
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2018, 02:03:53 pm »
A Dem-run city going bankrupt? ....color me shocked.  000hehehehe

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Re: Illinois city runs out of other people's money
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2018, 11:40:05 pm »
The source of that city's problems are easily deduced by reading the last sentence of the original article at the URL above...

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Re: Illinois city runs out of other people's money
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2018, 12:02:17 am »
Harvey, Illinois is, to be Frank, a basket case of mismanagement.

How dare they!

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Re: Illinois city runs out of other people's money
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2018, 12:20:17 am »
Harvey, Illinois is, to be Frank, a basket case of mismanagement.

How dare they!


The Dixie Square Shopping Center in Harvey, IL was only open for 13 years before closing in 1979.  The city's crime rate exploded in the wake of "white flight". My friend John Landis was able to film a there in the closed mall.
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2018, 01:32:11 am »
What we have seen in the last decade is the last chapter of Socialism being written. Be it Greece, Portugal, Venezuela, Stockton,  CA, Detroit, Ill, Connecticut, Harvey, Ill, soon to be CA, ect ect, the bills are coming due. And it's going to get painful at some point. You cannot defeat math or economics

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Re: Illinois city runs out of other people's money
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2018, 01:47:09 am »
What we have seen in the last decade is the last chapter of Socialism being written. Be it Greece, Portugal, Venezuela, Stockton,  CA, Detroit, Ill, Connecticut, Harvey, Ill, soon to be CA, ect ect, the bills are coming due. And it's going to get painful at some point. You cannot defeat math or economics

Of course that's true.  And, it will be painful.  Other than that I have no idea what it will look like.

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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2018, 03:04:49 pm »
Of course that's true.  And, it will be painful.  Other than that I have no idea what it will look like.

Ayn Rand did a pretty good job in Atlas Shrugged.
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Re: Illinois city runs out of other people's money
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2018, 03:15:43 pm »

The Dixie Square Shopping Center in Harvey, IL was only open for 13 years before closing in 1979.  The city's crime rate exploded in the wake of "white flight". My friend John Landis was able to film a there in the closed mall.


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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2018, 04:19:23 pm »
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Keep in mind that Harvey's population is over three quarters black, according to the 2010 census.

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Re: Illinois city runs out of other people's money
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2018, 04:33:34 pm »

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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2018, 05:00:52 pm »
Aw, come on Pete!  You're better than that racism.  --Mod2

So there is a better racism than the one he displayed?

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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2018, 05:21:43 pm »
So there is a better racism than the one he displayed?

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Do we now live in an America where the simple truth is deemed to be racist because it's became politically incorrect to tell the truth?

Unfortunately, yes.  And it ends up crippling the discussion of serious issues just because there may be a racial element to them
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Re: Illinois city runs out of other people's money
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2018, 12:04:16 am »
LMAO wrote:
"And it ends up crippling the discussion of serious issues just because there may be a racial element to them"

The problem is that such discussions can never -become- serious enough to reach understanding UNTIL we're willing to acknowledge and frankly examine those "racial" elements...

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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2018, 12:05:33 am »
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2018, 12:05:40 am »
LMAO wrote:
"And it ends up crippling the discussion of serious issues just because there may be a racial element to them"

The problem is that such discussions can never -become- serious enough to reach understanding UNTIL we're willing to acknowledge and frankly examine those "racial" elements...

Nonsense.  You can acknowledge societal/cultural problems without making it racist.

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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2018, 12:12:23 am »
Nonsense.  You can acknowledge societal/cultural problems without making it racist.

True, but you can't acknowledge societal/cultural problems without making it sexist....you dizzy broad.

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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2018, 12:12:26 am »
Besides, that statistic is a mere coincidence.
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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2018, 12:15:40 am »
True, but you can't acknowledge societal/cultural problems without making it sexist....you dizzy broad.

Yeah, yeah, I know - The Patriarchy.  You sexist pig.

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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2018, 07:03:16 am »
Nonsense.  You can acknowledge societal/cultural problems without making it racist.
The very second race becomes the filter through which issues cannot be discussed, no solution will be found.

Parts of our society, specifically subcultures within our society, have problems in greater proportion than others, or even unique to their particular subculture.

If, for instance, we can't discuss Muslim problems, we can't discuss honor killings or Female Genital Mutilation, because to do so involves alleged 'racism', or to do so as if the problem is not unique to a demographic, merely distorts the view of the problem instead of identify it.
That path leads to perdition, not any solutions which are acceptable to everyone.

Mere observation does not equal racism. If extrapolation based on that observation seems to apply to a specific individual or group, there may well be a reason, not one rooted in prejudice, but in fact.

Is it "racist" to note that for some reason, more black males rape white females than white males rape black females? Or is it just a fact which can be verified? Or the problems of the most violent neighborhoods in the country, which generally share similar demographics as well?

Many of these problems have (sub)cultural roots which will never be identified if the discussion cannot be honest from the onset.



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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2018, 12:47:54 pm »
The very second race becomes the filter through which issues cannot be discussed, no solution will be found.

Parts of our society, specifically subcultures within our society, have problems in greater proportion than others, or even unique to their particular subculture.

If, for instance, we can't discuss Muslim problems, we can't discuss honor killings or Female Genital Mutilation, because to do so involves alleged 'racism', or to do so as if the problem is not unique to a demographic, merely distorts the view of the problem instead of identify it.
That path leads to perdition, not any solutions which are acceptable to everyone.

Mere observation does not equal racism. If extrapolation based on that observation seems to apply to a specific individual or group, there may well be a reason, not one rooted in prejudice, but in fact.

Is it "racist" to note that for some reason, more black males rape white females than white males rape black females? Or is it just a fact which can be verified? Or the problems of the most violent neighborhoods in the country, which generally share similar demographics as well?

@Smokin Joe

Many of these problems have (sub)cultural roots which will never be identified if the discussion cannot be honest from the onset.

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For example,according to the FBI crime statistics from a couple of years ago black males between 18 and 45 committed slightly more than 90 percent of the murders in this country. WHY is it considered racist to say most black males are thugs,when in FACT,they ARE thugs. "Thug" is a much-admired career field in many black households.

This is certainly not news to the black people that live  in the Dim "game reserves". THEY are the primary prey of the thugs. You won't hear them complain about it much because they are afraid of being physically attacked if they do,and are afraid with damn good reason.

Hell,even Jesse Jackson screwed up and admitted the truth that when he is walking alone down the street in NYC and hears footsteps behind him,he is relieved when he turns around and sees it is a white man following him.

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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2018, 01:57:10 pm »
BINGO!  888high58888

For example,according to the FBI crime statistics from a couple of years ago black males between 18 and 45 committed slightly more than 90 percent of the murders in this country. WHY is it considered racist to say most black males are thugs,when in FACT,they ARE thugs. "Thug" is a much-admired career field in many black households.

This is certainly not news to the black people that live  in the Dim "game reserves". THEY are the primary prey of the thugs. You won't hear them complain about it much because they are afraid of being physically attacked if they do,and are afraid with damn good reason.

Hell,even Jesse Jackson screwed up and admitted the truth that when he is walking alone down the street in NYC and hears footsteps behind him,he is relieved when he turns around and sees it is a white man following him.

It ain't no secret,folks!
One point I must make. Just because most homicidal thugs are black males, does not mean that most black males are homicidal thugs. Location and surroundings have much to do with that, despite the efforts of the media to export the thug lifestyle to the most rural corners.
Even within the statistical groups oversimplification and generalization can be the enemy of identifying which groups have the most problems. 
I must note the unfortunate progression of programs, University dreck, and media efforts to undermine the efforts of those in the fifties and sixties who wanted their children to get a classical education and build solid lives and families. Totalitarian efforts need an aggrieved underclass to use to tear down the status quo, and they have done all in their power to create and even subsidize one within the black community, but the effort has not been universally successful in areas where the success of the old models of family and responsibility and solid education have put the lie to the identity politics message. Those areas, and indeed, that subset of the demographic is free to make moral lives for themselves without suffering the depredations common in some urban environments.
An unfortunate effect, however, of identity politics has been that a significant fraction who are not thugs will cover for others who are in the thug neighborhoods, either out of fear or because they aren't going to betray the identity group.

We see the same with a large number of Muslims and terrorists as well. While most terrorists are Muslim, one cannot say honestly that most Muslims are terrorists, despite the fundamental beliefs which will often cause at least tacit support for such efforts by silence from the 'faithful'.

For what it is worth, however, the cultural rot emplaced in the sixties and carefully assisted in its metastization throughout all demographics not vigilant against it, nurtured through pop culture and media which have made it the 'norm' in the minds of far too many, becomes the very grievance through which those who fall prey to it 'identify', and thus embracing such misery, those who rail against it often are the very purveyors of their own ills.
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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2018, 02:26:26 pm »
BINGO!  888high58888

For example,according to the FBI crime statistics from a couple of years ago black males between 18 and 45 committed slightly more than 90 percent of the murders in this country. WHY is it considered racist to say most black males are thugs,when in FACT,they ARE thugs. "Thug" is a much-admired career field in many black households.


That most thugs are black males doesn't mean that most black males are thugs.   

That's the same thing as extrapolating from the fact that most terrorists are Muslim the canard that most Muslims are terrorists.   
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