Court rules against Oregon bakers in wedding-cake case

[Cyber Liberty]

Society can decide on it's own that pedophelia is perfectly good, moral and legal, or the murder of girls up until the age of 5 years old is permissible, or that white males may not own property or that people can marry their pets.  We are already on the path to total moral and social anarchy.

Does not make it right, or moral or good.  It only legalizes evil by the hand of the state.

When 'civil laws' force individuals to violate God's laws - then civil law no longer has any moral authority a Christian is obligated to follow.  All such a society has at that point is guns their agents will use to put to the heads of those they intend to force into compliance.

Which is tyranny, plain and simple.

Some of us will refuse to comply - and then it will become a question of whom is willing to suffer and die for their faith - and whom is willing to die to impose tyranny.

When doing evil is a requirement of doing business, that's when we move into the "Mark of the Beast" territory.

[INVAR]

When doing evil is a requirement of doing business, that's when we move into the "Mark of the Beast" territory.

We are already well on the way towards that, and you can readily see how eager so many are to ensure that becomes reality in short order.

Think and act as the Beast commands, or one will not be permitted to make a living.

It is already amazing how many are willing to accept that mark while calling it a good thing.

[Oceander]

When doing evil is a requirement of doing business, that's when we move into the "Mark of the Beast" territory.

That’s a stretch: equating baking a cake with the mark of the beast.   It does your credibility no good. 

[driftdiver]

That’s a stretch: equating baking a cake with the mark of the beast.   It does your credibility no good.

 

[Cyber Liberty]

That’s a stretch: equating baking a cake with the mark of the beast.   It does your credibility no good.

I think you already think I don't so we're cool.     I have not been accused of being a serious poster lately.

[DCPatriot]

Society can decide on it's own that pedophelia is perfectly good, moral and legal, or the murder of girls up until the age of 5 years old is permissible, or that white males may not own property or that people can marry their pets.  We are already on the path to total moral and social anarchy.

Does not make it right, or moral or good.  It only legalizes evil by the hand of the state.

When 'civil laws' force individuals to violate God's laws - then civil law no longer has any moral authority a Christian is obligated to follow.  All such a society has at that point is guns their agents will use to put to the heads of those they intend to force into compliance.

Which is tyranny, plain and simple.

Some of us will refuse to comply - and then it will become a question of whom is willing to suffer and die for their faith - and whom is willing to die to impose tyranny.

@INVAR

If you carried it THAT far, your headstone would read that you "....died from stupidity"!   

Seriously, IMO, a lack of social/business "belly to belly" experience must account for otherwise nice people suddenly appearing as 'bigots'.

For example, I'd be proud to have you live next door....but the staggered Cypress hedges are going in first thaw.

[HoustonSam]

This has nothing to do with cakes. It has to do with merchants and vendors refusing to provide goods and services, on religious grounds. (Our nation's history included refusal of services on racial bases.) 

More broadly it has to do with religious laws versus civil laws.

In the United States of America, civil laws take precedence over religious laws.
Southern Baptists used biblical scripture, to justify slavery (and later race based discrimination).

In 1967 in Loving v. Virginia a mixed race couple were sentenced to one year in jail, for marriage. Our civil law prevailed over religious law (the outdated basis for viirginia's law of the time).

Warren Jeffs claimed his religion allowed him multiple young brides. Jeff's is in prison.

Civil law in this country includes First Amendment rights to Freedom of Religion and to Freedom of Expression; the question is whether those rights apply in commerce.  And that very civil law is nothing more than an agreed expression of shared ethical and moral values, which, in this country, are primarily Judeo-Christian in their origin.  So while we refuse to create religious tests for public office or to impede people's ability to believe and worship, or not, as they choose, it is not possible completely to separate the underlying basis of civil law from civil law itself.  In fact Loving v. Virginia overturned not a religious belief, but a civil law.

Our western belief in equality has certainly been practiced imperfectly for centuries; neither philosophy nor law nor scripture prevent us from erring.  You are quite right that my Southern Baptist forbears (I'm an ordained deacon btw....) historically interpreted scripture in ways that we now reject; other Christians used scripture as the basis for their belief in abolition.  So I question whether we would ever have settled on the belief in equality before the law had it not been for the belief in equality before God, as given to us in the third chapter of Galatians and the book of Philemon.

We can, and should, repair the foundation of a building when necessary, but we cannot improve the building by discarding the foundation.

[HoustonSam]

@Cyber Liberty @thackney

Thank you.

[INVAR]

@INVAR

If you carried it THAT far, your headstone would read that you "....died from stupidity"!   

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." - I Corinthians 1:18

The wisdom of the world is nothing but foolishness to God.

[Oceander]

Anybody got any decent recipes they can share?

[edpc]

Anybody got any decent recipes they can share?

Well, since the thread is partly about cake........

Mama's German Chocolate Cake

http://www.myrecipes.com/recipe/mamas-german-chocolate-cake

[truth_seeker]

People have used THEIR interpretations of the Bible, to justify:

--Conscientious objector status

--Slavery, discrimination

--Prohibition of mixed race marriage.

--Protestantism, Judaism (Spanish, Italian, French Inquisitions.)

--Avoiding medical treatment (Christian Scientist)

Just because there are many (often contradictory) interpretations of biblical phrases and passages, does NOT make them binding laws on all of the members of a society.

--If you don't "believe" in pork, don't eat pork.
--If you don't believe in mixed-race marriages, don't enter into one.
--If you don't approve of same-sex unions, don't enter into one.

[Jazzhead]

--If you don't "believe" in pork, don't eat pork.
--If you don't believe in mixed-race marriages, don't enter into one.
--If you don't approve of same-sex unions, don't enter into one.

 

We have enough troubles without arrogant religious folks insisting their "beliefs" be ours.   

[Oceander]

People have used THEIR interpretations of the Bible, to justify:

--Conscientious objector status

--Slavery, discrimination

--Prohibition of mixed race marriage.

--Protestantism, Judaism (Spanish, Italian, French Inquisitions.)

--Avoiding medical treatment (Christian Scientist)

Just because there are many (often contradictory) interpretations of biblical phrases and passages, does NOT make them binding laws on all of the members of a society.

--If you don't "believe" in pork, don't eat pork.
--If you don't believe in mixed-race marriages, don't enter into one.
--If you don't approve of same-sex unions, don't enter into one.

[Oceander]

Well, since the thread is partly about cake........

Mama's German Chocolate Cake

http://www.myrecipes.com/recipe/mamas-german-chocolate-cake

Yum!

[HoustonSam]

People have used THEIR interpretations of the Bible, to justify:

--Conscientious objector status

--Slavery, discrimination

--Prohibition of mixed race marriage.

--Protestantism, Judaism (Spanish, Italian, French Inquisitions.)

--Avoiding medical treatment (Christian Scientist)

Just because there are many (often contradictory) interpretations of biblical phrases and passages, does NOT make them binding laws on all of the members of a society.

--If you don't "believe" in pork, don't eat pork.
--If you don't believe in mixed-race marriages, don't enter into one.
--If you don't approve of same-sex unions, don't enter into one.

How about if you don't like "bigots", then don't do business with them.

[edpc]

Yum!

Joke's on you.  The recipe for Mama's German Chocolate Cake came from Heather.....

[INVAR]

--If you don't "believe" in pork, don't eat pork.
--If you don't believe in mixed-race marriages, don't enter into one.
--If you don't approve of same-sex unions, don't enter into one.

Don't use the state to force me, my family and my business to recognize evil as good, or be made to serve such sin and abomination and we do not have a problem.

Use the state to force a Christian to violate their conscience by serving sinful behavior, the state ceases to have any moral authority the Believer has to afford it.  The State is engaged in forcing a Believer to serve behaviors that will earn Eternal Death at which point the state then ceases to have any legitimacy I have to recognize as being 'lawful'.  At that point - all your state has is guns their agents will put to our heads to force compliance - which is the very definition of a tyranny and of heinousness not even the Crown of England visited upon the forbears of the nation.

Wickedness and tyranny will not tolerate beliefs contrary to theirs.  It is why the state is being empowered to destroy the property and livelihoods of those who refuse to acknowledge evil as a good.  We have gone to war over much, much less.

[INVAR]

We have enough troubles without arrogant religious folks insisting their "beliefs" be ours.

You're projecting again as usual - the unmitigated LIAR that you are.

You're the one using the state and it's courts to force your evil religious beliefs down OUR throats.

[Oceander]

Don't use the state to force me, my family and my business to recognize evil as good, or be made to serve such sin and abomination and we do not have a problem.

Use the state to force a Christian to violate their conscience by serving sinful behavior, the state ceases to have any moral authority the Believer has to afford it.  The State is engaged in forcing a Believer to serve behaviors that will earn Eternal Death at which point the state then ceases to have any legitimacy I have to recognize as being 'lawful'.  At that point - all your state has is guns their agents will put to our heads to force compliance - which is the very definition of a tyranny and of heinousness not even the Crown of England visited upon the forbears of the nation.

Wickedness and tyranny will not tolerate beliefs contrary to theirs.  It is why the state is being empowered to destroy the property and livelihoods of those who refuse to acknowledge evil as a good.  We have gone to war over much, much less.

ISIS could not have said it better. 

[Oceander]

Joke's on you.  The recipe for Mama's German Chocolate Cake came from Heather.....

So?

[Cyber Liberty]

How about if you don't like "bigots", then don't do business with them.

That's no fun, you can't wage Social Justice War on them that way.  Gotta make these damnable rednecks toe the line, don'tcha know.  Sharpen 'em up like a #2 pencil.  If you say they're bigots, then get the fools at the Legislature to pass a law so you can force them to make widgets the way you want.

You'll have the towering approval of many.

[truth_seeker]

How about if you don't like "bigots", then don't do business with them.

Hopefully when those Bakers have an upstairs plumbing emergency, the plumber that is on call 24 hrs. a day won't be a friend of the lesbo couple, or worse yet one him/herself---and refuse them services.

"Just fix the damn plumbing. All is forgotten. We'll bake the damn cake. Just stop the leak", (which is causing many $thousands in floor damage, ceiling damages, etc).

aka "what goes around, comes around." Olde Bible Proverb or ordinary Cosmic Karma, in the Landes of Big Odin.

[Cyber Liberty]

Anybody got any decent recipes they can share?

I've been spending the holidays making batches of my Fudge.  Everybody in my extended family loves the stuff, can't get enough of it.  However, considering the nature of the original topic of this thread, I think I'll be keeping that one to myself.  Besides, it's a common recipe, been in the Better Homes and Garden cookbook since forever.

Stuff has enough sugar to rot the teeth right outta your face in one sitting.

[edpc]

So?

So perhaps it should be this instead....

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/7349/devils-food-cake-i/