The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}

[Cyber Liberty]

Can't wait for that book, @Victoria33!  I have to work on my "Country" a little, though.  Mrs. Liberty has a bone to pick about my selection of "Benevolent Dictatorship" as the form of our "Government."  Says it resembles an Autocracy.   

[Victoria33]

Can't wait for that book, @Victoria33!  I have to work on my "Country" a little, though.  Mrs. Liberty has a bone to pick about my selection of "Benevolent Dictatorship" as the form of our "Government."  Says it resembles an Autocracy.   

@Cyber Liberty

I think King and Queen with equal power would be your best bet to stay alive.  If you go with Benevolent Dictatorship, let your dog taste your drink and food first.

The book is on the reading list of a New York book agent.  At least it has a chance.  If she doesn't take it, I'll keep at it until one takes it.  A man book agent contacted me the week before Thanksgiving and said he would get back to me after Thanksgiving.  No word from him yet.

[Quix]

THANKS TONS DEAR HEART for your excellent points, as usual. It IS a treasure to be able to discuss difficult, complex things with mutual respect. I hope you continue to realize that any differences between our views do NOT mean any microgram of less respect for you, your brilliance, your experience, your extensive & long practiced study of the related topics.

I was merely, mostly trying to articulate a difficult thing to put into words--particularly with  someone I treasure and respect as highly as I do you. Let me try again.

I have spent probably 30-40 years of the 55 years I've studied such topics trying to offer the best reasons and arguments for my perspectives as I could.

In recent years, I've come to the conviction  that I not only need to move on, I have moved on from needing to do that for much of any reason. It's become too tedious and too boring and too much a waste of time compared to other priorities.

At this point in time  and in my life, it's MUCH MORE fruitful to me and of interest to me to talk about the THEREFORE WHAT'S that are still puzzlements to me. And, to talk about the implications of what I have concluded are true facts or mostly true facts.

I particularly enjoy and want to do that with such a brilliant caring, extremely well-studied person as you. It's OK that you either are not ready to do that or are not interested in doing that. I don't know if you are, or aren't--just saying that may be the case. So far, we seem to have spent a fair amount of time with me trying somewhat to document why I believe as I do. I can understand that. It would be easier if we could pretend that a given set of assumptions were true and go from there.

The book I'm now reading: THE TRUMP PROPHECIES by Mark Taylor is functioning as a kind of jolt, to me. He's asserting a number of surprising things. One of them is that God's timeline for the END TIMES very dramatic period is not the enemy's. That the enemy is trying to trigger things far too prematurely but God is not going to let him get away with that.

I have wondered HOW different God's timeline on the beginning of the horrific period was compared to satan's. I have always assumed satan wanted to rush such things but that God would hold him back to whatever unknown degree.

I've thought off and on that such was likely the case but usually ended up thinking we were a lot closer to the dramatic times than Mark Taylor believes we are.

I have thought that God might delay the horrific times very significantly depending on prayers and clean living on the part of Christian Believers.

Mark Taylor agrees that our prayers make lots of differences in events and in enlisting God's aid etc. He also asserts that while WW3 may well be likely--he doesn't think it will be any time soon. That surprised me.

However,  his personality, his nonverbal cues, various facts of his personal narrative are rather convincing. I'm convinced  that he really has a prophetic gifting from Almighty God Yehovah.

So, I'm in the process of trying to integrate, accommodate the information  he offers with my prior perspectives, conclusions, assumptions, conjectures and expectations re the end times. That's necessitating some significant changes. I think  they will be good changes--though surprising-to-me changes.

Anyway--you are THE favorite beloved person I like to discuss a list of things with--particularly these sorts of things.

I've also thought off and on that God may well give us a very dramatic period of great funding and success at spreading The Gospel far and wide. I just assumed that would be closer to the more dramatic horrific ending parts of the end times. And I assumed it might be short--in so many months vs 5-25 or whatever years.

Thanks for your kind words and for your extensive patience with me.

LUB

@Quix
My dear friend, with whom I have shared a meal and conversation for several hours -  you and I can converse, having different opinions, without lowering our regard for each other.

I am not a novice in regard to UFOs and have kept an open mind.  Numerous years ago, I bought every writing about the Roswell incident.  Then, I went there and bought everything they had that I didn’t have at that time, down to a copy of the local newspaper that came out at that time about the incident.  I read every single bit of every book.  As other writings came out about UFOs, I read them, including the first report of a physical encounter.  This was Barney and Betty Hill.

Moving on to yesterday and today.  I spent most of these two days watching/reading the resources you put on this thread, plus I watched YouTube films of several other men involved in this.
Here is a list of men I now know what they think and have done in this category of UFOs, aliens from outer space (the names are not in order in time – I made four pages of notes and these names are on there):

QUIX - YOUR REAL NAME IS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST

Tom DeLonge – connected to the hot topic of the Air Force planes following the UFO that is all over TV right now.

Charles Hall and the Tall Whites - Millennial Hospitality
Charles Hall enlisted in the U.S. Air Force in 1964. In the 1970's he began writing stories about his experiences that would be published as fiction. He would later claim that these stories of mysterious encounters in the Mojave desert in Nevada were based on his real personal experience. His Millennial Hospitality series of books, he claims, are published as fiction to protect the identity of the characters.

Paul Hellyer, former Canadian Deputy Prime Minister of Defense:
He was on YouTube for almost an hour, with the title, “The Extraterrestrial Takeover Will Begin in 2018”.  He did not say anything about them beginning to take over in 2018.

Grant Cameron

Steve Justice retired, Lockheed

Paul Rapp – brain function and consciousness -  CIA

Jim Semivan – CIA – Intelligence Strategist

Police officer Ron Perdue – Winter Haven, Florida
Reported seeing a bright, round object nearly the size of a house that hovered about 2000 feet above the ground for 2~ to 3 minutes. The object was about 150 feet in diameter and had a steady glow except for a bright red stripe through the center. The object was bright enough to faintly illuminate the ground directly beneath it.

John Podesta

General McCasland

General Mackay

Robert Rice

Robert McNamara – Secretary of Defense

Now I can talk to you about any of these people and what they are doing, discuss their writings and their radio/film appearances on YouTube.

I still have to read “AZTEC” and watch the films you sent.  After I read/see those I will be an expert on them.     Then, we can talk about these.

Now, as to reptile DNA infused people (which I will never believe), supposed to be all the Bushes, the English Royal Family, every Royal Family everywhere, all higher bankers, other high-ranking people (now I can believe there is a lizard in Trump  ), I take you to Genesis 6 when there were giants who came from angels coming to earth and mating with earth women. They were destroyed along with every human being except Noah, his wife, his sons and their wives.  Note in the scripture that Noah was “perfect in his generations”; this means there was no DNA from giants or reptiles or any other contamination in him.  “9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”
Genesis 6 King James Version (KJV)

“1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”

In closing, if people have my book, “Emergencies Happen – Be Prepared”, there is no reason to have stress over the coming end times no matter if there are UFOs or not.  The book stresses to prepare your house/backyard (if you have a backyard), as that is “YOUR country”, and you are the King or Queen of your country.  You can’t control the universe, the world, this country, your state, your county, but you can control “YOUR country” and make it a safe place for you to live in peace and substance.

[Quix]

@Cyber Liberty

I think King and Queen with equal power would be your best bet to stay alive.  If you go with Benevolent Dictatorship, let your dog taste your drink and food first.

The book is on the reading list of a New York book agent.  At least it has a chance.  If she doesn't take it, I'll keep at it until one takes it.  A man book agent contacted me the week before Thanksgiving and said he would get back to me after Thanksgiving.  No word from him yet.

I still think that one of the big problems in any kind of government is PRIDE. Another is size--the bigger the government, the worse it will be.

I've often pondered having well chosen leaders based on some personality habits and traits as well as specific governmental skills.

To top the list--I think I'd put

--HUMILITY
--LOVE/KINDNESS
--HONESTY/INTEGRITY
--REASONABLY HARD/DILIGENT WORK HABITS
--MATURITY, PSYCH/EMOTIONAL HEALTH VS RAD INSECURITY

And I'd set up a secret panel to research and select leaders--either directly for the positions or to run as candidates before the  people--based primarily on the above factors plus skills needed for their particular slated leadership roles.

The political leaders would hold office for 6-12 years. NO ONE would hold office longer. Perhaps the statute length of service time would be 8-10 years. And if and when some leader clearly rose head and shoulders above average--the populace could vote for them to serve an additional 2 years or so.

But there would be NO 20-40 years of career politicos. And there would be no revolving door/lobbying/corporate etc. influence peddling circular cycle in and out of government getting personally richer all the time.

Any politico accused and found to be violating the priorities listed with  HUMILITY above would be immediately (upon QUICK research and due process) terminated from their leadership and their income therefrom. They would be quickly escorted from the buildings and prevented from ever holding any political leadership role ever again--even that of 'dog catcher,' so to speak.

Further, that key parts of the federal laws would change every 15-20 years. Otherwise--particularly  with regard to taxes etc., people learn to manipulate, rig, abuse the system. Change major chunks enough and often enough that abusing the law for personal gain would be very difficult.

etc. etc. etc.

[Quix]

@Quix
You said, "THE BIBLE ITSELF declares emphatically that this era will be worse than ever before in earth's history and worse than ever will be again in the future. GOD said that."

Yes it does, there will be earthquakes as never before and stars will fall from the sky, and man will kill each other as never before, and it says Christ will return so the whole world will not perish.  And, it says nothing about reptiles.

I have considered this year, 2017.  We had hurricanes more violent than ever before in Texas and Florida and the Florida Keys and Puerto Rico.  A violent earthquake in Mexico in that same time period. Raging fires not known before in California.  It seems to me every natural disaster that happens now is worse than ever before.  I do think we are in the end days.

Yeah. I'm very glad we share that much in our perspectives on such things.

Of course, the unknowns are . . . how fast will the script play out; how fast will the speed of play out accelerate over what time frame. LOL.

[Victoria33]

Comments below in bold teal.

@Quix
Quix, when you post a thread, you are inviting people to respond and they, including me, may not agree with some of your positions.  If you don’t want to support your conclusions, as you say, “I have spent probably 30-40 years of the 55 years I've studied such topics trying to offer the best reasons and arguments for my perspectives as I could.  In recent years, I've come to the conviction that I not only need to move on, I have moved on from needing to do that for much of any reason. It's become too tedious and too boring and too much a waste of time compared to other priorities”, then don’t post a thread.

THANKS for your kind reply. I understand your reasoning. It's just not my  perspective.

I'm mostly done with, weary of, tired of tediously trying to support a lot of historical stuff--particularly when it has little chance of influencing the questioner anyway. It makes more sense to me to put my energy toward the parts that I don't yet know enough about. It makes more sense to me to try and sort out with bright, thoughtful, articulate folks the things  I still have curiosities, questions about. I want a co-speculator sounding board, I guess.



 Since you are the master of your posting, I suppose you could remove any disagreement someone posted, thus leaving your original post as the only writing on the thread unless a person agreed with all you post.

I think you know me well enough to know that's not my style or preference. Besides, that wouldn't be very meaningful; wouldn't achieve a lot very useful; wouldn't be iron-sharpening-iron etc.

You want responses, but only responses that agree with you so you “move on...” as “it has become too tedious and too boring and too much a waste of time…”?

I think you know me better than that. I learn most from folks who disagree with me.

It is no longer useful or interesting to me to rehash for the 3,000th time historic stuff that I'm confident of my conclusions on to such a degree--that I'm very skeptical that almost anyone I'm discussing those things with would be likely to add anything new and meaningful.

I want to move on and discuss things that I'm still quite tentative and speculative about.


  You said, “So far, we seem to have spent a fair amount of time with me trying somewhat to document why I believe as I do. I can understand that. It would be easier if we could pretend that a given set of assumptions were true and go from there.”  If I cannot agree to your set of assumptions, and tell you why, if would be folly for me to falsely agree with you so we can “go from there”.

I understand your stance, I think. That's disappointing but understandable.

My stance is somewhat like . . .

Dear Precious Colleague, here we have this extremely complex machine that was found deep in a salt mine in the midwest. We know a fair amount about what the machine can do. We know it can do these 12 things. But what I want to spend our time about is not where the machine comes from; not who made the machine; and not a great deal even about proving its capabilities.

I'd rather start with this list of proven capabilities--which I'd ask you to temporarily accept on faith for now--and let's move on and talk about the IMPLICATIONS of this machine's THEREFORE THEN, LIKELY impacts on our society.

We both agree the end times are coming, as said in the Bible.  That is the bed rock of what I believe.  I think it is near, as upon us at this time.  I used natural occurrences being worse than ever before, to reach this conclusion, plus human wickedness worse than ever before.  It does not take aliens from outer space, reptile people, and an alien city or alien air base under the south pole to bring this about.  Human nature without God is bringing this about.

That's probably a reasonable assertion. Though I think we can say that God set the whole object lesson of earth, Adam and Eve, etc. etc. demonstrating to all Creation that even the best culture and form of government in all of history--apart from God--would still descend into evil, manipulated by the Dark Lord. That the only LIFE and source of life MUST occur in an eternal dance with God our Father, Yehovah.

Isee this as simple as the Bible/Jesus says, you seem to need outer space aliens and reptile people, New World Order people, cities under the ice, to bring this about.  I will stay with simple rather than concoct illusions.

I'm surprised you seem to misunderstand me on that score.

I don't NEED any such set of things. I 'need' to discuss the plausible possibilities, the probabilities and the  highly likely truth.

The critters etc. all AROSE, FOR ME, STRICTLY OUT OF THE DATA. So, I feel compelled to deal with the data--the facts as they appear at this point in time--FROM THE DATA.

I understand that your inclinations, preferences, stance is MUCH MORE grounded strictly in tangible super proven 'realities.'


With this said, I don’t doubt there are unidentified flying objects (UFOs).  My position is they are real, but they don’t direct the end days – it is human behavior against God that brings this about.
Yes, the government allowed this latest UFO film to be released and there may be more coming as some believe. 

I can go much of that distance with you--to the point that I agree that sinful deeds and nature of mankind results in consequences from God.

Nevertheless, the script of the end times was written by God millennia ago.

UFO little people are not going to take over the world.  It is imagination that is running wild about who is in these UFOs and imagination that says their plan is to destroy the world. 

I think that's a bit of a big set of assumptions.

1. God declares in Scripture that the oligarchy including with satan incarnate with his fallen angels WILL BE in overt control of all nations for 3.5-7 years. That's a Biblical fact.

2. No, it is NOT sourced merely in such folks' imaginations. It is sourced in EXTENSIVE reviews of a huge amount of data, puzzle pieces, written and other records from many centuries ago to and through the present.

3. The globalists stated at least 100-200 years ago exactly what their goals were and what they would do to get there. I've often posted links to such quotes in their own words. Their plans are exactly consistent with what the Bible says will be true of the evil global government of the end times.

4. THOSE GOALS AND STRATEGIES are emphatically consistent with tons of puzzle pieces from and about the critters--their doings (such that Dr Jacques Vallee asserts they are serving as a CONTROL FUNCTION over our culture and planet. His PhD and related experiences entitle him to speak of that as one of the world's top experts on CONTROL functions.) Actually a significant amount of evidence suggests that the critters have BEEN in control of the oligarchy for quite some time, already.

5. Their goals regarding trashing humanity are also consistent with the Biblical record AS WELL AS extensive puzzle pieces derived from the data from a large number of diverse sources. This aspect is a heavily conflicted topic whereon UFO experts differ widely. I'm comfortable with my conclusions, however--very confident about them.

6. I do not know anyone asserting that they are going to 'destroy the world.' The Biblical record is clear that's not going to be allowed. They may well try--that would be consistent with their boss's values and vengeance--but God won't let them succeed.

When I have a bit of time, I will post Jesus’ words explaining/describing the coming of the end.  He is not on YouTube.

THAT, essentially, has to come from Matthew 24.


  Matthew 24New Living Translation (NLT) Jesus Speaks about the Future24 As Jesus was leaving the Temple grounds, his disciples pointed out to him the various Temple buildings. ² But he responded, “Do you see all these buildings? I tell you the truth, they will be completely demolished. Not one stone will be left on top of another!”
³ Later, Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives. His disciples came to him privately and said, “Tell us, when will all this happen? What sign will signal your return and the end of the world {as we have known it}?^a]">[a]”
⁴ Jesus told them, “Don’t let anyone mislead you, ⁵ for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah.’ They will deceive many. ⁶ And you will hear of wars and threats of wars, but don’t panic. Yes, these things must take place, but the end won’t follow immediately. ⁷ Nation will go to war against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in many parts of the world. ⁸ But all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come.
⁹ “Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers.^{b]">[b] 10} And many will turn away from me and betray and hate each other. ¹¹ And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people. ¹² Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold. ¹³ But the one who endures to the end will be saved. ¹⁴ And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations^c]">[c] {some experts say language groups; tribal groups; people groups} will hear it; and then the end will come.
¹⁵ “The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecration^d]">[d] standing in the Holy Place.” (Reader, pay attention!) ¹⁶ “Then those in Judea must flee to the hills. ¹⁷ A person out on the deck of a roof must not go down into the house to pack. ¹⁸ A person out in the field must not return even to get a coat. ¹⁹ How terrible it will be for pregnant women and for nursing mothers in those days. ²⁰ And pray that your flight will not be in winter or on the Sabbath. ²¹ For there will be greater anguish than at any time since the world began. And it will never be so great again. ²² In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, not a single person will survive. But it will be shortened for the sake of God’s chosen ones.
²³ “Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it. ²⁴ For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones. ²⁵ See, I have warned you about this ahead of time.
²⁶ “So if someone tells you, ‘Look, the Messiah is out in the desert,’ don’t bother to go and look. Or, ‘Look, he is hiding here,’ don’t believe it! ²⁷ For as the lightning flashes in the east and shines to the west, so it will be when the Son of Man^e]">[e] comes. ²⁸ Just as the gathering of vultures shows there is a carcass nearby, so these signs indicate that the end is near.^f]">[f]
29 “Immediately after the anguish of those days,the sun will be darkened,
    the moon will give no light,
the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.^{g]">[g] 30} And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.^{h]">[h] 31 {Most of the scholars I respect consider that to be the 2nd coming of Christ coming to rule from Jerusalem after Armageddon--NOT the coming as a thief in the night coming at The Rapture.}And he will send out his angels with the mighty blast of a trumpet, and they will gather his chosen ones from all over the world^i]">[i]—from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven.
³² “Now learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branches bud and its leaves begin to sprout, you know that summer is near. ³³ In the same way, when you {who see these events begin will as a group, cohort, will still be alive--at least some representives of the group--when the final events occur} see all these things, you can know his return is very near, right at the door. ³⁴ I tell you the truth, this generation^j]">[j] {which sees such things begin} will not pass from the scene until all these things take place. ³⁵ Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear.
³⁶ “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself.^k]">[k] Only the Father knows. {That does NOT say we won't know the season or year or even month or week.}

³⁷ “When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah’s day. ³⁸ In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat. ³⁹ People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes.
⁴⁰ “Two men will be working together in the field; one will be taken, the other left. ⁴¹ Two women will be grinding flour at the mill; one will be taken, the other left.
⁴² “So you, too, must keep watch! For you don’t know what day your Lord is coming. ⁴³ Understand this: If a homeowner knew exactly when a burglar was coming, he would keep watch and not permit his house to be broken into. ⁴⁴ You also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected.
⁴⁵ “A faithful, sensible servant is one to whom the master can give the responsibility of managing his other household servants and feeding them. ⁴⁶ If the master returns and finds that the servant has done a good job, there will be a reward. ⁴⁷ I tell you the truth, the master will put that servant in charge of all he owns. ⁴⁸ But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’ ⁴⁹ and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk? ⁵⁰ The master will return unannounced and unexpected, ⁵¹ and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
  Footnotes:

• 24:3 Or the age?
• 24:9 Greek on account of my name.
• 24:14 Or all peoples.
• 24:15 Greek the abomination of desolation. See Dan 9:27; 11:31; 12:11.
• 24:27 “Son of Man” is a title Jesus used for himself.
• 24:28 Greek Wherever the carcass is, the vultures gather.
• 24:29 See Isa 13:10; 34:4; Joel 2:10.
• 24:30 See Dan 7:13.
• 24:31 Greek from the four winds.
• 24:34 Or this age, or this nation.
• 24:36 Some manuscripts do not include or the Son himself.

  New Living Translation (NLT) Holy Bible, New Living Translation, copyright © 1996, 2004, 2007, 2013, 2015 by Tyndale House Foundation. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers  Inc., Carol Stream, Illinois 60188. All rights reserved.
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You said, “I have wondered HOW different God's timeline on the beginning of the horrific period was compared to satan's. I have always assumed satan wanted to rush such things but that God would hold him back to whatever unknown degree.”  The Bible says the end times will come ONLY after the Word is known to all.  I can look up that scripture.  With missionaries and travel possible to all parts of the world, plus TV, the internet allowing information across the world, we are likely at this point.  The Word is available to all now.

Uhhhh. Evidently not. Else the Rapture would likely have already taken place. ALL language groups do not quite yet have the Scripture in their language. There is a group in Albuquerque who is working to complete that task ASAP. They are translating the Bible into each remaining people group's language and putting the oral Scriptures on an MP3 player that is both solar and wind-up and designed to last many years.

They seek out "THE MAN OF PEACE" in the tribe and make an agreement with  him to play 30 minutes of the Scriptures and then have 30 minutes of discussion per week. That's all. That's it. Many Acts 2 type churches have spontaneously sprung up from their efforts. I think the keywords to search is PROCLAIMER and Albuquerque translation outreach.

“Mark Taylor agrees that our prayers make lots of differences in events and in enlisting God's aid etc. He also asserts that while WW3 may well be likely--he doesn't think it will be any time soon.”  I believe, with Trump in office, WWIII will happen and not in the distant future.

I still think you are wrong about Trump. Shrillery in office would likely have already had us in war as she openly asserted she WOULD ATTACK IRAN. Her rage-aholic nature is far scarier than any of Trump's flaws by several orders of magnitude, imho.

In any case, we will find out in due course how soon WW3 begins. North Korea is not a comforting anything.

“So, I'm in the process of trying to integrate, accommodate the information he offers with my prior perspectives, conclusions, assumptions, conjectures and expectations re the end times. That's necessitating some significant changes. I think they will be good changes--though surprising-to-me changes.”  See, you cannot be concrete in your thinking – you have to adjust; therefore, your writing will adjust.

I disagree. I can be quite concrete in my thinking. Perhaps not to your criteria in all respects. However, most folks who know me think I'm a very concrete thinker.

Adjusting gets back to George Kelly's role construct theory:

ONE PROGRAM on the net where one can fill out one's own grid and get the resulting cluster chart/map

https://www.psyctc.org/grids/ingrid1.html

http://www.lis.ntu.edu.tw/cisap2010/Abstracts_files/ds08.pdf

https://www.uxmatters.com/mt/archives/2007/12/the-repertory-grid-eliciting-user-experience-comparisons-in-the-customers-voice.php

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/showciting?cid=575866

I can't find the best such online program but the top link is likely close to it.

You asserted that I have to adjust . . .

Actually, we all do. If we don't our construct system is tooooo rigid, narrow, brittle to have optimum predicitve usefulness. Our construct grids do best at the mind-point between adjusting too often, too easily on the basis of too little information vs rarely to never regardless of any evidence.

The grid is the MOST valid and the MOST reliable instrument available per a massive research study of my Dissertation chairman's. It out performed all others including the MMPI and all other well known instruments.

It is very sensitive to SIGNIFICANT events in the person's life--which might be 'merely' mental events. Yet, it is reliable, consistent over time with the individual's true construct system with which they perceive, interpret and predict events in their daily life.



 You are adjusting according to what a human says. 

Yes & no--TO THE DEGREE that The Lord, events, puzzle pieces more or less clearly affirm sufficient reason to make such an adjustment, yes. Then adjust. But not for shallow reasons or  based on poor evidence.

Any human writing must be compared to the Bible in these matters.  Jesus says others will come pretending to be Him and not to believe these people.  There will be false information people will believe.  If it is not Biblical, I’m not believing it.

CERTAINLY THE BIBLE IS THE STANDARD OF TRUTH AND IF THINGS DON'T LINE UP WITH SCRIPTURE, SOMETHING IS DREADFULLY WRONG.

Nevertheless, there's tons of stuff the Bible does not clearly speak to much at all,  if at all.

= = = = different topic = = = thought experiment about forming a different social, governmental structure.

“And I'd set up a secret panel to research and select leaders--either directly for the positions or to run as candidates before the people--based primarily on the above factors plus skills needed for their particular slated leadership roles.”

Here is a truism – two people can agree; three people will divide into two against the other one – the more people the more disagreement Your secret panel will choose people according to their wants for themselves – that is human nature.  Your secret panel will be corrupt.
Your friend to the end.

I think the design of my suggestions took human flaws greatly into account and sought to minimize their impacts. I'm surprised you didn't note that.

Thanks for your meaty and kind responses.

[Victoria33]

@Quix

I am right now reading The AZTEC, UFO Incident.  Am on page 23.  Wish I could just sit here and read the whole thing before stopping, but have to go to church about 4 pm.  Will get back home around 7:30 pm as we eat somewhere after church.  Will start again then.  Maybe will send you emails as I read it.

[Quix]

@Quix

I am right now reading The AZTEC, UFO Incident.  Am on page 23.  Wish I could just sit here and read the whole thing before stopping, but have to go to church about 4 pm.  Will get back home around 7:30 pm as we eat somewhere after church.  Will start again then.  Maybe will send you emails as I read it.

Yea.

imho, the book is tediously slow the first 2/3 or so. They are  so exhaustively thorough in their research over such a long time, they really take their time and tons of detail in  ferreting out every little puzzle piece that even MIGHT bear on the conclusions. I think you'll respect their attention to detail as well as their conclusions.

Happy church and day.

[Quix]

@Victoria33

Sorry. I clicked on quote . . . IIRC. but somehow seem to have gotten into the mod's screen to modify. Don't have the energy to redo it.

Comments below in bold teal.

@Quix
Quix, when you post a thread, you are inviting people to respond and they, including me, may not agree with some of your positions.  If you don’t want to support your conclusions, as you say, “I have spent probably 30-40 years of the 55 years I've studied such topics trying to offer the best reasons and arguments for my perspectives as I could.  In recent years, I've come to the conviction that I not only need to move on, I have moved on from needing to do that for much of any reason. It's become too tedious and too boring and too much a waste of time compared to other priorities”, then don’t post a thread.

THANKS for your kind reply. I understand your reasoning. It's just not my  perspective.

I'm mostly done with, weary of, tired of tediously trying to support a lot of historical stuff--particularly when it has little chance of influencing the questioner anyway. It makes more sense to me to put my energy toward the parts that I don't yet know enough about. It makes more sense to me to try and sort out with bright, thoughtful, articulate folks the things  I still have curiosities, questions about. I want a co-speculator sounding board, I guess.



 Since you are the master of your posting, I suppose you could remove any disagreement someone posted, thus leaving your original post as the only writing on the thread unless a person agreed with all you post.

I think you know me well enough to know that's not my style or preference. Besides, that wouldn't be very meaningful; wouldn't achieve a lot very useful; wouldn't be iron-sharpening-iron etc.

You want responses, but only responses that agree with you so you “move on...” as “it has become too tedious and too boring and too much a waste of time…”?

I think you know me better than that. I learn most from folks who disagree with me.

It is no longer useful or interesting to me to rehash for the 3,000th time historic stuff that I'm confident of my conclusions on to such a degree--that I'm very skeptical that almost anyone I'm discussing those things with would be likely to add anything new and meaningful.

I want to move on and discuss things that I'm still quite tentative and speculative about.


  You said, “So far, we seem to have spent a fair amount of time with me trying somewhat to document why I believe as I do. I can understand that. It would be easier if we could pretend that a given set of assumptions were true and go from there.”  If I cannot agree to your set of assumptions, and tell you why, if would be folly for me to falsely agree with you so we can “go from there”.

I understand your stance, I think. That's disappointing but understandable.

My stance is somewhat like . . .

Dear Precious Colleague, here we have this extremely complex machine that was found deep in a salt mine in the midwest. We know a fair amount about what the machine can do. We know it can do these 12 things. But what I want to spend our time about is not where the machine comes from; not who made the machine; and not a great deal even about proving its capabilities.

I'd rather start with this list of proven capabilities--which I'd ask you to temporarily accept on faith for now--and let's move on and talk about the IMPLICATIONS of this machine's THEREFORE THEN, LIKELY impacts on our society.

We both agree the end times are coming, as said in the Bible.  That is the bed rock of what I believe.  I think it is near, as upon us at this time.  I used natural occurrences being worse than ever before, to reach this conclusion, plus human wickedness worse than ever before.  It does not take aliens from outer space, reptile people, and an alien city or alien air base under the south pole to bring this about.  Human nature without God is bringing this about.

That's probably a reasonable assertion. Though I think we can say that God set the whole object lesson of earth, Adam and Eve, etc. etc. demonstrating to all Creation that even the best culture and form of government in all of history--apart from God--would still descend into evil, manipulated by the Dark Lord. That the only LIFE and source of life MUST occur in an eternal dance with God our Father, Yehovah.

Isee this as simple as the Bible/Jesus says, you seem to need outer space aliens and reptile people, New World Order people, cities under the ice, to bring this about.  I will stay with simple rather than concoct illusions.

I'm surprised you seem to misunderstand me on that score.

I don't NEED any such set of things. I 'need' to discuss the plausible possibilities, the probabilities and the  highly likely truth.

The critters etc. all AROSE, FOR ME, STRICTLY OUT OF THE DATA. So, I feel compelled to deal with the data--the facts as they appear at this point in time--FROM THE DATA.

I understand that your inclinations, preferences, stance is MUCH MORE grounded strictly in tangible super proven 'realities.'


With this said, I don’t doubt there are unidentified flying objects (UFOs).  My position is they are real, but they don’t direct the end days – it is human behavior against God that brings this about.
Yes, the government allowed this latest UFO film to be released and there may be more coming as some believe. 

I can go much of that distance with you--to the point that I agree that sinful deeds and nature of mankind results in consequences from God.

Nevertheless, the script of the end times was written by God millennia ago.

UFO little people are not going to take over the world.  It is imagination that is running wild about who is in these UFOs and imagination that says their plan is to destroy the world. 

I think that's a bit of a big set of assumptions.

1. God declares in Scripture that the oligarchy including with satan incarnate with his fallen angels WILL BE in overt control of all nations for 3.5-7 years. That's a Biblical fact.

2. No, it is NOT sourced merely in such folks' imaginations. It is sourced in EXTENSIVE reviews of a huge amount of data, puzzle pieces, written and other records from many centuries ago to and through the present.

3. The globalists stated at least 100-200 years ago exactly what their goals were and what they would do to get there. I've often posted links to such quotes in their own words. Their plans are exactly consistent with what the Bible says will be true of the evil global government of the end times.

4. THOSE GOALS AND STRATEGIES are emphatically consistent with tons of puzzle pieces from and about the critters--their doings (such that Dr Jacques Vallee asserts they are serving as a CONTROL FUNCTION over our culture and planet. His PhD and related experiences entitle him to speak of that as one of the world's top experts on CONTROL functions.) Actually a significant amount of evidence suggests that the critters have BEEN in control of the oligarchy for quite some time, already.

5. Their goals regarding trashing humanity are also consistent with the Biblical record AS WELL AS extensive puzzle pieces derived from the data from a large number of diverse sources. This aspect is a heavily conflicted topic whereon UFO experts differ widely. I'm comfortable with my conclusions, however--very confident about them.

6. I do not know anyone asserting that they are going to 'destroy the world.' The Biblical record is clear that's not going to be allowed. They may well try--that would be consistent with their boss's values and vengeance--but God won't let them succeed.

When I have a bit of time, I will post Jesus’ words explaining/describing the coming of the end.  He is not on YouTube.

THAT, essentially, has to come from Matthew 24.


  Matthew 24New Living Translation (NLT) Jesus Speaks about the Future24 As Jesus was leaving the Temple grounds, his disciples pointed out to him the various Temple buildings. ² But he responded, “Do you see all these buildings? I tell you the truth, they will be completely demolished. Not one stone will be left on top of another!”
³ Later, Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives. His disciples came to him privately and said, “Tell us, when will all this happen? What sign will signal your return and the end of the world {as we have known it}?^a]">[a]”
⁴ Jesus told them, “Don’t let anyone mislead you, ⁵ for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah.’ They will deceive many. ⁶ And you will hear of wars and threats of wars, but don’t panic. Yes, these things must take place, but the end won’t follow immediately. ⁷ Nation will go to war against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in many parts of the world. ⁸ But all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come.
⁹ “Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers.^{b]">[b] 10} And many will turn away from me and betray and hate each other. ¹¹ And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people. ¹² Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold. ¹³ But the one who endures to the end will be saved. ¹⁴ And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations^c]">[c] {some experts say language groups; tribal groups; people groups} will hear it; and then the end will come.
¹⁵ “The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecration^d]">[d] standing in the Holy Place.” (Reader, pay attention!) ¹⁶ “Then those in Judea must flee to the hills. ¹⁷ A person out on the deck of a roof must not go down into the house to pack. ¹⁸ A person out in the field must not return even to get a coat. ¹⁹ How terrible it will be for pregnant women and for nursing mothers in those days. ²⁰ And pray that your flight will not be in winter or on the Sabbath. ²¹ For there will be greater anguish than at any time since the world began. And it will never be so great again. ²² In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, not a single person will survive. But it will be shortened for the sake of God’s chosen ones.
²³ “Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it. ²⁴ For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones. ²⁵ See, I have warned you about this ahead of time.
²⁶ “So if someone tells you, ‘Look, the Messiah is out in the desert,’ don’t bother to go and look. Or, ‘Look, he is hiding here,’ don’t believe it! ²⁷ For as the lightning flashes in the east and shines to the west, so it will be when the Son of Man^e]">[e] comes. ²⁸ Just as the gathering of vultures shows there is a carcass nearby, so these signs indicate that the end is near.^f]">[f]
29 “Immediately after the anguish of those days,the sun will be darkened,
    the moon will give no light,
the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.^{g]">[g] 30} And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.^{h]">[h] 31 {Most of the scholars I respect consider that to be the 2nd coming of Christ coming to rule from Jerusalem after Armageddon--NOT the coming as a thief in the night coming at The Rapture.}And he will send out his angels with the mighty blast of a trumpet, and they will gather his chosen ones from all over the world^i]">[i]—from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven.
³² “Now learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branches bud and its leaves begin to sprout, you know that summer is near. ³³ In the same way, when you {who see these events begin will as a group, cohort, will still be alive--at least some representives of the group--when the final events occur} see all these things, you can know his return is very near, right at the door. ³⁴ I tell you the truth, this generation^j]">[j] {which sees such things begin} will not pass from the scene until all these things take place. ³⁵ Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear.
³⁶ “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself.^k]">[k] Only the Father knows. {That does NOT say we won't know the season or year or even month or week.}

³⁷ “When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah’s day. ³⁸ In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat. ³⁹ People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes.
⁴⁰ “Two men will be working together in the field; one will be taken, the other left. ⁴¹ Two women will be grinding flour at the mill; one will be taken, the other left.
⁴² “So you, too, must keep watch! For you don’t know what day your Lord is coming. ⁴³ Understand this: If a homeowner knew exactly when a burglar was coming, he would keep watch and not permit his house to be broken into. ⁴⁴ You also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected.
⁴⁵ “A faithful, sensible servant is one to whom the master can give the responsibility of managing his other household servants and feeding them. ⁴⁶ If the master returns and finds that the servant has done a good job, there will be a reward. ⁴⁷ I tell you the truth, the master will put that servant in charge of all he owns. ⁴⁸ But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’ ⁴⁹ and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk? ⁵⁰ The master will return unannounced and unexpected, ⁵¹ and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
  Footnotes:

• 24:3 Or the age?
• 24:9 Greek on account of my name.
• 24:14 Or all peoples.
• 24:15 Greek the abomination of desolation. See Dan 9:27; 11:31; 12:11.
• 24:27 “Son of Man” is a title Jesus used for himself.
• 24:28 Greek Wherever the carcass is, the vultures gather.
• 24:29 See Isa 13:10; 34:4; Joel 2:10.
• 24:30 See Dan 7:13.
• 24:31 Greek from the four winds.
• 24:34 Or this age, or this nation.
• 24:36 Some manuscripts do not include or the Son himself.

  New Living Translation (NLT) Holy Bible, New Living Translation, copyright © 1996, 2004, 2007, 2013, 2015 by Tyndale House Foundation. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers  Inc., Carol Stream, Illinois 60188. All rights reserved.
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You said, “I have wondered HOW different God's timeline on the beginning of the horrific period was compared to satan's. I have always assumed satan wanted to rush such things but that God would hold him back to whatever unknown degree.”  The Bible says the end times will come ONLY after the Word is known to all.  I can look up that scripture.  With missionaries and travel possible to all parts of the world, plus TV, the internet allowing information across the world, we are likely at this point.  The Word is available to all now.

Uhhhh. Evidently not. Else the Rapture would likely have already taken place. ALL language groups do not quite yet have the Scripture in their language. There is a group in Albuquerque who is working to complete that task ASAP. They are translating the Bible into each remaining people group's language and putting the oral Scriptures on an MP3 player that is both solar and wind-up and designed to last many years.

They seek out "THE MAN OF PEACE" in the tribe and make an agreement with  him to play 30 minutes of the Scriptures and then have 30 minutes of discussion per week. That's all. That's it. Many Acts 2 type churches have spontaneously sprung up from their efforts. I think the keywords to search is PROCLAIMER and Albuquerque translation outreach.

“Mark Taylor agrees that our prayers make lots of differences in events and in enlisting God's aid etc. He also asserts that while WW3 may well be likely--he doesn't think it will be any time soon.”  I believe, with Trump in office, WWIII will happen and not in the distant future.

I still think you are wrong about Trump. Shrillery in office would likely have already had us in war as she openly asserted she WOULD ATTACK IRAN. Her rage-aholic nature is far scarier than any of Trump's flaws by several orders of magnitude, imho.

In any case, we will find out in due course how soon WW3 begins. North Korea is not a comforting anything.

“So, I'm in the process of trying to integrate, accommodate the information he offers with my prior perspectives, conclusions, assumptions, conjectures and expectations re the end times. That's necessitating some significant changes. I think they will be good changes--though surprising-to-me changes.”  See, you cannot be concrete in your thinking – you have to adjust; therefore, your writing will adjust.

I disagree. I can be quite concrete in my thinking. Perhaps not to your criteria in all respects. However, most folks who know me think I'm a very concrete thinker.

Adjusting gets back to George Kelly's role construct theory:

ONE PROGRAM on the net where one can fill out one's own grid and get the resulting cluster chart/map

https://www.psyctc.org/grids/ingrid1.html

http://www.lis.ntu.edu.tw/cisap2010/Abstracts_files/ds08.pdf

https://www.uxmatters.com/mt/archives/2007/12/the-repertory-grid-eliciting-user-experience-comparisons-in-the-customers-voice.php

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/showciting?cid=575866

I can't find the best such online program but the top link is likely close to it.

You asserted that I have to adjust . . .

Actually, we all do. If we don't our construct system is tooooo rigid, narrow, brittle to have optimum predicitve usefulness. Our construct grids do best at the mind-point between adjusting too often, too easily on the basis of too little information vs rarely to never regardless of any evidence.

The grid is the MOST valid and the MOST reliable instrument available per a massive research study of my Dissertation chairman's. It out performed all others including the MMPI and all other well known instruments.

It is very sensitive to SIGNIFICANT events in the person's life--which might be 'merely' mental events. Yet, it is reliable, consistent over time with the individual's true construct system with which they perceive, interpret and predict events in their daily life.



 You are adjusting according to what a human says. 

Yes & no--TO THE DEGREE that The Lord, events, puzzle pieces more or less clearly affirm sufficient reason to make such an adjustment, yes. Then adjust. But not for shallow reasons or  based on poor evidence.

Any human writing must be compared to the Bible in these matters.  Jesus says others will come pretending to be Him and not to believe these people.  There will be false information people will believe.  If it is not Biblical, I’m not believing it.

CERTAINLY THE BIBLE IS THE STANDARD OF TRUTH AND IF THINGS DON'T LINE UP WITH SCRIPTURE, SOMETHING IS DREADFULLY WRONG.

Nevertheless, there's tons of stuff the Bible does not clearly speak to much at all,  if at all.

= = = = different topic = = = thought experiment about forming a different social, governmental structure.

“And I'd set up a secret panel to research and select leaders--either directly for the positions or to run as candidates before the people--based primarily on the above factors plus skills needed for their particular slated leadership roles.”

Here is a truism – two people can agree; three people will divide into two against the other one – the more people the more disagreement Your secret panel will choose people according to their wants for themselves – that is human nature.  Your secret panel will be corrupt.
Your friend to the end.

I think the design of my suggestions took human flaws greatly into account and sought to minimize their impacts. I'm surprised you didn't note that.

Thanks for your meaty and kind responses.

[RoosGirl]

@Quix
You said, "THE BIBLE ITSELF declares emphatically that this era will be worse than ever before in earth's history and worse than ever will be again in the future. GOD said that."

Yes it does, there will be earthquakes as never before and stars will fall from the sky, and man will kill each other as never before, and it says Christ will return so the whole world will not perish.  And, it says nothing about reptiles.

I have considered this year, 2017.  We had hurricanes more violent than ever before in Texas and Florida and the Florida Keys and Puerto Rico.  A violent earthquake in Mexico in that same time period. Raging fires not known before in California.  It seems to me every natural disaster that happens now is worse than ever before.  I do think we are in the end days.

I've been following the conversation some.  I'm not going to comment on anything else, but hurricanes more violent than ever before?  Not at all.

[Victoria33]

@Quix

"3. The globalists stated at least 100-200 years ago exactly what their goals were and what they would do to get there. I've often posted links to such quotes in their own words. Their plans are exactly consistent with what the Bible says will be true of the evil global government of the end times."

"4. THOSE GOALS AND STRATEGIES are emphatically consistent with tons of puzzle pieces from and about the critters--their doings (such that Dr Jacques Vallee asserts they are serving as a CONTROL FUNCTION over our culture and planet. His PhD and related experiences entitle him to speak of that as one of the world's top experts on CONTROL functions.) Actually a significant amount of evidence suggests that the critters have BEEN in control of the oligarchy for quite some time, already."

Names of globalists:

Names of critters:

[Victoria33]

I've been following the conversation some.  I'm not going to comment on anything else, but hurricanes more violent than ever before?  Not at all.

@RoosGirl

There has never been a Texas hurricane as bad as Harvey cover half of Texas from central to the coast and east and west - many hundreds of miles, never in its recorded history.  It will take many years to recover from that and it will never be the same as it was due to the massive destruction. I have 84 yrs. of experience in this state and it hasn't happened like this in my lifetime, nor before my lifetime - not like this.

"In total, between 24 trillion and 34 trillion gallons of water fell on the Gulf Coast during Harvey, equivalent to the amount of water melted off the West Antarctic Ice Shelf in a single year. According to Adrian Borsa, a geophysicist with The Scripps Research Institute, that's enough to push down the crust of the earth itself by over half an inch in some areas."

Puerto Rico is smashed to bits.  Two hurricanes, one following the other and smashing Puerto Rico has destroyed it.  It has never been destroyed like this in my lifetime.  It may never recover at all.

[RoosGirl]

@RoosGirl

There has never been a Texas hurricane as bad as Harvey cover half of Texas from central to the coast and east and west - many hundreds of miles, never in its recorded history.  It will take many years to recover from that and it will never be the same as it was due to the massive destruction. I have 84 yrs. of experience in this state and it hasn't happened like this in my lifetime, nor before my lifetime - not like this.

"In total, between 24 trillion and 34 trillion gallons of water fell on the Gulf Coast during Harvey, equivalent to the amount of water melted off the West Antarctic Ice Shelf in a single year. According to Adrian Borsa, a geophysicist with The Scripps Research Institute, that's enough to push down the crust of the earth itself by over half an inch in some areas."

Puerto Rico is smashed to bits.  Two hurricanes, one following the other and smashing Puerto Rico has destroyed it.  It has never been destroyed like this in my lifetime.  It may never recover at all.

Yes, but even at 84 years old, you are but a blip in time.  Certainly Florida has been hit harder than we were this year, even within my lifetime.

[Victoria33]

Yes, but even at 84 years old, you are but a blip in time.  Certainly Florida has been hit harder than we were this year, even within my lifetime.

@RoosGirl

Harvey has been designated, not by me but specialists in hurricanes, the worst in the history of Texas as long as records have been kept, and that is true also in Puerto Rico.

I agree with you that Florida hurricane was not the worst in Florida.

[Quix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cOjOsVGPjE

Tom Delonge and Pentagon Secret UFO Program- Disclosure Day 3, cover up Unravels?

It's a good video with some additional details.
Ron Pandolfi notes that Trump is very pro disclosure and anti-disinformation.

[Victoria33]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cOjOsVGPjE
Tom Delonge and Pentagon Secret UFO Program- Disclosure Day 3, cover up Unravels?
It's a good video with some additional details. Ron Pandolfi notes that Trump is very pro disclosure and anti-disinformation.

@Quix

I'll be back on this thread tomorrow.

[Quix]

@Quix

I'll be back on this thread tomorrow.

Was going to call and see how y'all were doing.

Was going to Furr's but think I'll just stay home. Don't care to stand in the long line.

May even eat some frozen Marie Calendar's turkey and dressing dinner with my teeth. Wheee.

Anyway--God's best to you two this CHRISTmas day and New Year.

[Victoria33]

@Quix

I'm finally over the bad cold/flu that is going around.  I think you said you were having chest congestion problems.  A number of our friends now have this bad illness.  It is all over the country.  One friend's doctor said the flu shot didn't stop this disease and after you think you are over it, it mutates and hits you again which is why it takes five or six weeks to get over it.  It seems every person who gets it has complete laryngitis just as I had.  My voice is back so I can yell at Bob now.

[Quix]

@Quix

I'm finally over the bad cold/flu that is going around.  I think you said you were having chest congestion problems.  A number of our friends now have this bad illness.  It is all over the country.  One friend's doctor said the flu shot didn't stop this disease and after you think you are over it, it mutates and hits you again which is why it takes five or six weeks to get over it.  It seems every person who gets it has complete laryngitis just as I had.  My voice is back so I can yell at Bob now.

BBBBBBBUUUUTTTT BOB is toooo sweet to yell at! LOL.

I may be back to normal by Wed or Thurs. Will see. I do better to resist it completely when I can and am not sloppy in staying up on all the needful supplements. Sigh.

At least I'm coughing stuff up, now.

Thanks for the update.

[roamer_1]

And, it [The Bible] says nothing about reptiles.

@Victoria33
While I do not rise to defend the aspect of 'reptilians' per se, what you have said above is definitively untrue.
The 'nacash' in the garden was not a snake, as so figuratively imagined in modern Christianity, but rather a serpent - more a dragon or saurian creature than a reptile, but one we know little about, beyond that description. Seraphs (Seraphim angels) again, are described as dragons or dragon like. Old Nick himself (apropos for the season) is said to be a dragon. As a matter of fact, all things profane fit within the jurisdiction of the serpent.

Hence, within the aspect of Genesis 6 hybridism, A seraphic nephilim hybrid being 'reptilian', or rather, dragon-like is hardly a concept beyond the pale. And the extension of that into Rephaim (the dead, demons), those that the profane are trying to resurrect, is hardly a stretch.

And lastly, the Bible itself declares a nephilim presence after the flood in the land of Canaan, in the bloodline of Anak and the Amorites, and among others - Those defeated by Joshua in the conquest of Canaan - Those demanded to be utterly annihilated by the Father. So your statement up thread that all such perished in the flood and belong only to the antediluvian age is provably false in Biblical terms. And the prophets declare them in the end as well, if one can get beyond the misnomer of 'giants' and 'nephilim' as is so often specifically compared. That which is released back into this world in the end are not only giants.


Again, I raise the issue as a point of order rather than as any general support of the specific 'reptilian' subject... I do not wish to be that specific.
@Quix

[roamer_1]

The world’s early philosophers, which means they searched for wisdom to understand the world, how it worked and how/why people acted as they did in the world, were Heraclitus, Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle.  I have their works, their own words, except Heraclitus, plus I have the works of St. Thomas Aquinas, born 1225 AD.

"Ancient Greek and Roman Philosophers
The “love for wisdom” (English translation of the Greek word philosophia) dates back to the ancient times in both the East and West. Although the fundamental questions of philosophy have been dealt with very early, the history of the Western philosophy begins with the ancient Greek philosophers in Asia Minor in the 6th century BC. Thales of Miletus who is regarded as the first ancient Greek philosopher had profoundly influenced other Greek thinkers, encouraging them to search for the answers in nature. The next centuries saw the rise of philosophical schools throughout Greece and emergence of some of the greatest thinkers of Western philosophy including Heraclitus 540 BC, Socrates (470 BC), Plato (428 BC) and Aristotle. (384 BC)."

Many of those early philosophers spoke to demons, by their own words. As does modern science.

Be careful who you listen to.

[Quix]

@Victoria33
While I do not rise to defend the aspect of 'reptilians' per se, what you have said above is definitively untrue.
The 'nacash' in the garden was not a snake, as so figuratively imagined in modern Christianity, but rather a serpent - more a dragon or saurian creature than a reptile, but one we know little about, beyond that description. Seraphs (Seraphim angels) again, are described as dragons or dragon like. Old Nick himself (apropos for the season) is said to be a dragon. As a matter of fact, all things profane fit within the jurisdiction of the serpent.

Hence, within the aspect of Genesis 6 hybridism, A seraphic nephilim hybrid being 'reptilian', or rather, dragon-like is hardly a concept beyond the pale. And the extension of that into Rephaim (the dead, demons), those that the profane are trying to resurrect, is hardly a stretch.

And lastly, the Bible itself declares a nephilim presence after the flood in the land of Canaan, in the bloodline of Anak and the Amorites, and among others - Those defeated by Joshua in the conquest of Canaan - Those demanded to be utterly annihilated by the Father. So your statement up thread that all such perished in the flood and belong only to the antediluvian age is provably false in Biblical terms. And the prophets declare them in the end as well, if one can get beyond the misnomer of 'giants' and 'nephilim' as is so often specifically compared. That which is released back into this world in the end are not only giants.
Thanks.

Quite so.

I didn't want to get into that at that level. It's more tedious than I enjoy very often these days.

And, @Victoria33 has a copy of EXO-VATICANA--which, IIRC, gets into that plenty thoroughly.

IIRC, Some scholars have asserted that some of those Genesis verses describe sentient reptilian fallen angels and/or hybrids that walk on two feet.

Certainly there are narratives among some people groups of such creatures terrifying and decimating various tribes.

The Biblical picture of Armageddon is also similarly populated with horrific creatures of similar description according to some scholars who have investigated root word meanings, IIRC.

It's just not a subject I find that attractive. I'm much more into warm fuzzy puppies, kittens, lamas,  alpacas, etc.

Nevertheless, we are wise to prepare our hearts and minds to deal with what IS vs what we'd like to be.

Though I'm hoping and praying that the Rapture takes authentic believers out of the scene well before the worst of such times.

Again, I raise the issue as a point of order rather than as any general support of the specific 'reptilian' subject... I do not wish to be that specific.
@Quix

[Victoria33]

@roamer_1

"And, it [The Bible] says nothing about reptiles."  You took this sentence out of context.  I was speaking of regular people being reptiles, not that reptiles were not mentioned in the Bible.

[Victoria33]

Many of those early philosophers spoke to demons, by their own words. As does modern science.
Be careful who you listen to.

@roamer_1

It's not "be careful who you listen to"; it is one must always use his/her intelligence when reading anything; not be gullible to accept an opinion without research as to the truth of it.  I do that and hopefully you do that.

[roamer_1]

It's just not a subject I find that attractive. I'm much more into warm fuzzy puppies, kittens, lamas,  alpacas, etc.
Nevertheless, we are wise to prepare our hearts and minds to deal with what IS vs what we'd like to be.

It amazes me brother @Quix , that while you come more from tech, ufo, new age research, and I come more from occult research, and ancient history, that the two perspectives are so often overlapping, and obviously coming to a nexus point not too distant from today.

Peace, and thanks for the OP.