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Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt? (New, Improved)

Classic smear machine in overdrive
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Voting closed: November 22, 2017, 10:14:20 PM

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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
« Reply #75 on: November 18, 2017, 07:15:44 AM »
Well going to the state of Alabama is like going to 1997, so maybe I'll go there and wait a couple years.

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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
« Reply #78 on: November 18, 2017, 08:45:36 AM »
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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
« Reply #79 on: November 18, 2017, 11:04:50 AM »
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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
« Reply #80 on: November 18, 2017, 11:12:05 AM »
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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
« Reply #83 on: November 18, 2017, 07:03:30 PM »
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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
« Reply #84 on: November 18, 2017, 07:14:56 PM »
Nicely edited.

Read the whole thing.



Note the comment that Moore thought everyone was corrupt but him. Might that be the source of the eye rolling?

Take things out of contest to support the unsupportable and you indicate the allegations are less credible in the long run.


@Smokin Joe

Maybe he did think everyone was corrupt but him.  And maybe the source of the eye rolling was the rumors that have been circulating about him and the things which are known about him.

What exactly is unsupportable?  That Moore is guilty?

Let me make this clear, Joe:  I saw that clip on Shapiro's Twitter.  I didn't edit anything.  Sometimes a Twitter feed will feature a small snipping of an article and lead back to the entire thing.  It might have in this case.  I have yet to see Shapiro mislead on anything.

It might as well have linked to the whole article.  After reading the entire thing, there was nothing that contradicted the highlighted part or made it hard to believe.

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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
« Reply #86 on: November 18, 2017, 07:54:08 PM »
In the meanwhile down in Bama... picture of sister (who got all the looks, and was valedictorian in HS and college) with Roy Moore. Our votes hold firm... proof or it is hearsay.

We share the same eye features...

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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
« Reply #88 on: November 18, 2017, 09:38:31 PM »
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Based on my experience of ONE woman, you say? I but related ONE STORY as an example toward my position. I could go on. And on sommore. Not just in salacious cases of a sexual nature - The very same applies between men having a bone to pick. It is the standard in all things.

Yeah, one---you described one, so why would I assume differently.

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And the reason it is that way, in places where folks still rule themselves, beyond the reach of the supposed law and order y'all know, is because that standard prevents false accusations, in large part. How then do you prevent or discover a false accuser within this absurdity you recommend? By how you feeeel? Or is the woman just to be believed whole cloth?

Roamer, come on, stop talking like you live on a frontier planet.  You live in the United States with the rest of us. 

I've stated repeatedly, over and over, that I don't assume guilt or innocence of either man or woman.  How is that you guys just keep missing me saying that, every time?  I wait for information to come in before I make my judgment.

As for "feeeelings", like I said, I weigh the information and the facts,  Some of you, on the other hand, are operating as though that saint in a cowboy outfit couldn't have told a lie, much less molested someone.  Now that's based on feeling.

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Innocence or guilt has nothing to do with it - ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE VERACITY OF THE EVIDENCE.

Yeah, and we have a pretty good amount, by now.


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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
« Reply #89 on: November 18, 2017, 10:04:09 PM »
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
« Reply #90 on: November 18, 2017, 10:18:29 PM »
I keep wondering why the fact that this happened 40 years ago somehow makes the story less believeable.

A traumatic occurrence 40 years ago never leaves one's mind.

The fact that the memories are old doesn't make them any less valid,  and does not prove exculpatory no matter how much Moore's defenders want it to be.

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I keep wondering why they kept it to themselves until a critical time right before an election.

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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
« Reply #91 on: November 18, 2017, 10:33:02 PM »
I keep wondering why the fact that this happened 40 years ago somehow makes the story less believeable.

A traumatic occurrence 40 years ago never leaves one's mind.

The fact that the memories are old doesn't make them any less valid,  and does not prove exculpatory no matter how much Moore's defenders want it to be.

How you ever gathered with siblings to discuss early life like I have ( w/ brothers and sisters) and get to retelling events we lived together. We come up with 3 different tells of the same event, some things similar, but often some things totally in disagreement. Yes, there is a reason for statue of limitations in most things except perhaps murder.

Memories get muddled, and then tellings and retellings start to take life. The witnesses of the "hands up, don't shoot" Michael Brown shooting is a perfect example. By the time some get their stories down on paper, it has already been influenced by tales of others, to where you sometimes believe you saw something you didn't. Their interviews were only weeks later, not years.
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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
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How you ever gathered with siblings to discuss early life like I have (brother and sister) and get to retelling events. We come up with 3 different tells of the same event, some things similar, but often some things totally in disagreement. Yes, there is a reason for statue of limitations in most things except perhaps murder.

@Sighlass

The issue is sexual abuse, not the cookout you had when you were fifteen.  Research will tell you it stays clear in the minds of the victims.

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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
« Reply #94 on: November 18, 2017, 10:45:06 PM »
@Sighlass

The issue is sexual abuse, not the cookout you had when you were fifteen.  Research will tell you it stays clear in the minds of the victims.

BS, I also was a victim of sexual abuse, or attempted anyway. Had a same sex band director that tried to get me to do some things. Yeah, I remember his proposition line, I remember turning him down, but I couldn't tell you what month it was to save my life now.

Honestly I couldn't even tell you the season it occurred. But then again, like I said my memory just ain't what it used to be.

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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
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BS, I also was a victim of sexual abuse, or attempted anyway. Had a same sex band director that tried to get me to do some things. Yeah, I remember his proposition line, I remember turning him down, but I couldn't tell you what month it was to save my life now.

Honestly I couldn't even tell you the season it occurred. But then again, like I said my memory just ain't what it used to be.

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@Sighlass

And?

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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
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Re: Should Judge Moore be given the benefit of the doubt?
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@CatherineofAragon

Actually by your own words you prove it was! And BTW: I seem to have a damned site more FACTS on my side than you and your lynch mob have on yours!

You can run your mouth till hell freezes over and I won't care.  But when you mention me by name I might respond!

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