Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay

[driftdiver]

verga wrote:
"@DB link Up thread it said that approximately 200 rounds were put through the door. 200 rounds are going to leave some pretty big holes you can put a camera through."

As I wrote yesterday, HOW MUCH OF THE DOOR WOULD BE LEFT, after 200 rounds of .223 were fired at it in psuedo-automatic mode?

What hotel would not respond in very short order that someone was (for all practical purposes) firing an automatic weapon on one of their floors?

Particularly if the police were ALREADY ON THE PREMISES (as they were).

The police department timeline is wrong.
If it is not, then something IS VERY WRONG in the way the hotel responded to this (supposedly) initial incident before the main firing at the crowd began.

Both the security guard AND a maintenance man were on the 32nd floor.

Where are these two individuals now?
Have they for some reason retained legal counsel?
Are they no longer willing to talk?
If so, WHY?

Why not produce both of them before a select audience of reporters, and give them a chance to tell their story directly to the public?

That should clear up a lot of the confusion right away.

@Fishrrman
Why aren't they talking?   Because a lawyer told them not too.

[edpc]

@Fishrrman
Why aren't they talking?   Because a lawyer told them not too.

Probably both the union and the casino lawyer agree on this.  Union rep wants damages for employee and casino rep knows once that door opens (no pun intended), it exposes MGM to massive liability from the other victims.

Also, there is this story of armed security at Campos' residence.

https://mobile.twitter.com/craignews3lv/status/918180339117277184

[austingirl]

@Fishrrman
Why aren't they talking?   Because a lawyer told them not too.

The maintenance man who was first mentioned on MONDAY gave a TV interview.

[Cyber Liberty]

The maintenance man who was first mentioned on MONDAY gave a TV interview.

Probably not a Union man.

[austingirl]

The security guard now has armed security guards. I guess his employer is a paying to keep him under wraps.

[Smokin Joe]

The security guard now has armed security guards. I guess his employer is a paying to keep him under wraps.

That could be for a host of reasons:

1:To keep him safe from the media's 24/7 paparazzi pestering.

2: In the event others are involved, to keep him safe from any reprisal/threat (assuming unknown conspirators working with the gunman exist) or in case of that possibility.

3: To keep the reporters away so he doesn't say something that can be twisted around and made into something it is not.

4: To keep ambulance chasers and personal injury lawyers away from him so they aren't badgering him into making statements which might reflect badly on the hotel.

[mountaineer]

ISIS jihadi site claims Amaq, the official ISIS news agency, has video of Paddock, Vegas
By Pamela Geller - on October 11, 2017

[driftdiver]

ISIS jihadi site claims Amaq, the official ISIS news agency, has video of Paddock, Vegas
By Pamela Geller - on October 11, 2017

We know:
1.  He had cameras in the room.
2.  The cops have said some of the cameras were positioned to capture him shooting
3.  The cops have said the cameras didn't record the video
4.  He transferred 100k to someone in the Philipines

My guess is he live streamed the video to some radical muslim group.

[Sanguine]

ISIS jihadi site claims Amaq, the official ISIS news agency, has video of Paddock, Vegas
By Pamela Geller - on October 11, 2017

Oh, wow. 

[Applewood]

So let's see this alleged video. 

Sorry guys, but I don't buy the jihadi theory. 

[Sanguine]

So let's see this alleged video. 

Sorry guys, but I don't buy the jihadi theory.

Of course not.  Not until there is more evidence. 

[edpc]

So let's see this alleged video. 

Sorry guys, but I don't buy the jihadi theory.

You'd think they'd have it out right away, like they did with the pilot they burned alive. 

Besides, Pam Geller.....

[austingirl]

That could be for a host of reasons:

1:To keep him safe from the media's 24/7 paparazzi pestering.

2: In the event others are involved, to keep him safe from any reprisal/threat (assuming unknown conspirators working with the gunman exist) or in case of that possibility.

3: To keep the reporters away so he doesn't say something that can be twisted around and made into something it is not.

4: To keep ambulance chasers and personal injury lawyers away from him so they aren't badgering him into making statements which might reflect badly on the hotel.

The security guard is going to be on "Hannity" tonight. Should be interesting.

[austingirl]

So let's see this alleged video. 

Sorry guys, but I don't buy the jihadi theory.

There may not be a video if he live streamed it to someone.

[driftdiver]

You'd think they'd have it out right away, like they did with the pilot they burned alive. 

Besides, Pam Geller.....

@edpc
You mean the Jordanian pilot?   That they burned in January and released the video in February? 

[Sanguine]

You'd think they'd have it out right away, like they did with the pilot they burned alive. 

Besides, Pam Geller.....

So, what do we know about Geller?  I know very little.  Don't know if she's credible or not.

[TomSea]

I'd say Geller has been guilty of rushing to judgements; that's definitely true but often, I still find her insight to be on the mark and entertaining. Again, just being honest is a plus even if it means messing up from time to time. She has. She will jump to conclusions. I see her as making comments and not reporting the news. Robert Spencer of jihadwatch does that sometimes too. I think he jumped on to this being ISIS as well.

[TomSea]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/11/bellhop-reportedly-helped-las-vegas-gunman-with-bags-as-resort-cops-differ-over-timeline.html
Vegas shooter had access to service elevators

So, at this point, it probably doesn't mean anything except it might have been easier to get his stuff up to the room without suspicion.

[thackney]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/11/bellhop-reportedly-helped-las-vegas-gunman-with-bags-as-resort-cops-differ-over-timeline.html

From that article:

Adding to the confusion: there are no surveillance cameras in the floor’s hallway, but only on elevator banks, and the timestamps on the hotel’s communications systems in some cases may have been off, Clark County Assistant Sheriff Tom Roberts told the Los Angeles Times Tuesday

and:

But Lombardo said Monday officers weren’t even aware of Campos’ situation until they arrived on the 32nd floor 18 minutes after he was shot, raising doubts resort security relayed the message to police.

Even more damning: Roberts, in his interview, said the hotel dispatched its own armed security team that arrived “right around the same time” as Las Vegas officers....

"We are talking six minutes here. This is amazing and shocking that they didn't respond faster," Richard A. Patterson, who has filed legal papers to prevent the distribution of Paddock’s assets on behalf of victim John Phippen's family, told the Los Angeles Times.

He added: "I think everybody's question is, what if they had gotten there? There are high-speed elevators to the 32nd floor. A couple of minutes makes all the difference. At the very least, they could have distracted the killer. Maybe they could have prevented it."

[austingirl]

I am eagerly waiting for tomorrow's promised press conference to see what they'll feed us.

[edpc]

Casino condenses timeline of start of mass shooting in Las Vegas

The corporate owner of the high-rise Las Vegas Strip casino from which a gunman unleashed one of the deadliest mass shootings in modern U.S. history is squeezing a disputed police timeline of the start of the massacre down to seconds.

MGM Resorts International said in a statement Thursday that shots were fired into a music festival crowd “at the same time as, or within 40 seconds after” a security guard first reported by hotel dispatch radio that shots were fired.

The casino company says Las Vegas police accounts saying the casino security guard was wounded at 9:59 p.m. Oct. 1, and that gunfire out the hotel windows began 6 minutes later, are inaccurate.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/12/casino-condenses-timeline-start-mass-shooting-in-las-vegas.html

Yet another revision of the revisions and more CYA.

[Smokin Joe]

Casino condenses timeline of start of mass shooting in Las Vegas

The corporate owner of the high-rise Las Vegas Strip casino from which a gunman unleashed one of the deadliest mass shootings in modern U.S. history is squeezing a disputed police timeline of the start of the massacre down to seconds.

MGM Resorts International said in a statement Thursday that shots were fired into a music festival crowd “at the same time as, or within 40 seconds after” a security guard first reported by hotel dispatch radio that shots were fired.

The casino company says Las Vegas police accounts saying the casino security guard was wounded at 9:59 p.m. Oct. 1, and that gunfire out the hotel windows began 6 minutes later, are inaccurate.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/12/casino-condenses-timeline-start-mass-shooting-in-las-vegas.html

Yet another revision of the revisions and more CYA.

More CYA is my bet. The first lawsuit was already filed, iirc.

[bigheadfred]

So, what do we know about Geller?  I know very little.  Don't know if she's credible or not.

@txradioguy

I am not credible. My opinion means nought. I apologize for impertinent statements made in prior posts.

Not for what I said. But out of the spect I have for you @Sanguine, or @txradioguy.


@Fishrrman

Is she credible?

If you say yes I will place... an idea.

And if two of you say yes i will place an idea with an ology.

[austingirl]

The security guard is going to be on "Hannity" tonight. Should be interesting.

Well, well, well, no security guard on Hannity as advertised and no mention of said security guard. FBI probably nixed it.

[Sanguine]

@txradioguy

I am not credible. My opinion means nought. I apologize for impertinent statements made in prior posts.

Not for what I said. But out of the spect I have for you @Sanguine, or @txradioguy.


@Fishrrman

Is she credible?

If you say yes I will place... an idea.

And if two of you say yes i will place an idea with an ology.

OK, give us the ology, @bigheadfred.