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North Korea Crisis Live Thread - Latest NK Updates
« on: September 04, 2017, 07:37:12 am »
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North Korea preparing more missile launches, says South

South Korea says it has seen indications that the North is preparing more missile launches, possibly an intercontinental ballistic missile.


Defence officials have been briefing parliament in Seoul after the North's test of a nuclear bomb at the weekend.

The South has responded to the test with live-fire exercises, with both ground- and air-launched rockets.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41144356

It appears a whole live thread is needed for the ongoing situation.  The situation is a bit unreal.



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I don't buy a lot of the claims NK has made about their missile capabilities and progress with manufacturing a compact warhead.  However, you've had three big developments in the past week:

1 - NK missile launch over Japan
2 - NK test of a claimed missile ready thermonuclear device
3 - NK threat to use weapon as direct strike or EMP weapon

While there's some debate about the true effectiveness of EMP, why take the risk?  Any test missile launched by NK at this point, with a trajectory projected to pass over US or allied territory must be deemed hostile, engaged, and shot down by ABM systems.
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I hope "time is not of the essence" here,  yes, it is to a degree but I saw some article this morning indicating  we may not have time to waste on this matter.

On a different note.
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John Bolton‏Verified account @AmbJohnBolton 21h21 hours ago

For 25 years North Korea has repeatedly promised to give up its nuclear weapons program and repeatedly lied through its teeth.
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John Bolton: "Only Diplomatic Option Left Is To End The Regime In North Korea"

Posted By Tim Hains
On Date September 3, 2017

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JOHN BOLTON: The only diplomatic option left is to end the North Korean regime by effectively having the South take it over. You've got to argue with China--

TRISH REGAN, FOX NEWS CHANNEL: That's not really diplomatic!

BOLTON: That is their problem, not ours. Anybody who thinks more diplomacy with North Korea, more sanctions, whether against North Korea, or an effort to apply sanctions against China, is just giving North Korea more time to increase its nuclear arsenal... and put us, South Korea, and Japan in more jeopardy.

We have fooled around with North Korea for 25 years, and fooling around some more is just going to make matters worse.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/09/03/john_bolton_only_diplomatic_option_left_is_to_end_north_korean_regime.html

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Teddy Roosevelt + Yosemite Sam = John Bolton
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He wrote an editorial once on bombing Iran, to go publicizing such an idea is why many frown on him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/opinion/to-stop-irans-bomb-bomb-iran.html
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He's not wrong, but his abrasive style doesn't allow his substance to get through with a lot of folks.  My feeling is the Iranians were willing to sign the nuclear deal because they'd outsourced their weapons program to North Korea, anyway.  The attempt to build a copy of Yongbyong in Syria should be (literal) concrete proof of their unholy alliance - Syria being an Iranian proxy state.
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South Korea simulates attack on North’s nuke site after test
Associated Press, Sep 4, 2017

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — Following U.S. warnings to North Korea of a “massive military response,” South Korea fired missiles into the sea to simulate an attack on the North’s main nuclear test site on Monday, a day after North Korea detonated its largest-ever nuclear test explosion.

South Korea’s Defense Ministry also said Monday that North Korea appeared to be planning a future missile launch, possibly of an ICBM, to show off its claimed ability to target the United States with nuclear weapons, though it was unclear when this might happen.

The heated words from the United States and the military maneuvers in South Korea are becoming familiar responses to North Korea’s rapid, as-yet unchecked pursuit of a viable arsenal of nuclear-tipped missiles that can strike the United States. The most recent, and perhaps most dramatic, advance came Sunday in an underground test of what leader Kim Jong Un’s government claimed was a hydrogen bomb, the North’s sixth nuclear test since 2006.

The United Nations Security Council planned to hold its second emergency meeting about North Korea in a week on Monday to discuss responses to the test.

In Seoul, Chang Kyung-soo, an official with South Korea’s Defense Ministry, told lawmakers on Monday that it was seeing preparations in the North for an ICBM test but didn’t provide details about how officials had reached that assessment. Chang also said the yield from the latest nuclear detonation appeared to be about 50 kilotons, which would mark a “significant increase” from North Korea’s past nuclear tests.

In a series of tweets, U.S. President Donald Trump threatened to halt all trade with countries doing business with North Korea, a warning to China, and faulted South Korea for what he called “talk of appeasement.”

In response, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang, told reporters in Beijing on Monday that China regarded as “unacceptable a situation in which on the one hand we work to resolve this issue peacefully but on the other hand our own interests are subject to sanctions and jeopardized. This is neither objective nor fair.”


More with video: https://apnews.com/027b0b4f3e924f03a17b7d48c836c27e/South-Korea-simulates-attack-on-North's-nuke-site-after-test

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Haley: Kim Jong Un 'begging for war'
CNN, Sep 4, 2017, 10:41 AM ET

US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said Monday that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un was "begging for war" as she urged the UN Security Council to adopt the strongest sanctions measures possible to stop Pyongyang's nuclear program.

Speaking at a Security Council emergency meeting on Monday morning, Haley said North Korea's sixth nuclear test was a clear sign that "the time for half measures" from the UN had to end.

"Enough is enough," Haley said. "We have taken an incremental approach, and despite the best of intentions, it has not worked."

Haley said talks with North Korea have clearly not worked.

She added that while the United States did not want war, US patience is not unlimited when Pyongyang is threatening with missiles pointed at US territories.


More with video:  http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/04/politics/haley-north-korea-united-nations/

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'Enough is enough!' UN ambassador Nikki Haley warns Security Council that Kim Jong-Un is 'begging for war' with 'abusive use of missiles'
Daily Mail/UK, Sep 4, 2017

Ambassador Nikki Haley warned North Korea's dictator Kim Jong-Un on Monday that he is 'begging for war' with 'abusive use of missiles.'

'Enough is enough!' America's representative at the UN said during an emergency Security Council meeting.

'We have kicked the can down the road long enough,' she said of the North Korea nuclear threat. 'There is no more road left.'

'The time for half measures in the security council is over. The time has come to exhaust all of our diplomatic means before it is too late. We must now adopt the strongest possible measures. Kim Jong-Un’s action cannot be seen as defensive.'

'War is never something the United States wants. We don't want it now,' Haley said.

'But our country's patience is not unlimited,' she warned Kim's regime. 'We will defend our allies and our territory.'

Haley asked the United Nations to adopt the strongest possible sanctions against the rogue communist nation.

The hastily assembled panel was called in response to North Korea's most powerful nuclear test – as the Trump administration warned any threat to the US or its allies would trigger a 'massive military response.'

The meeting on Monday, at the request of the UK, U.S., Japan, France and South Korea, came after Kim Jong-Un's totalitarian regime carried out its sixth test of a nuclear device.

Defense Secretary James Mattis briefed President Donald Trump about the military options available if the crisis escalated, adding that Washington was capable of launching an 'effective and overwhelming' response.

While the US was 'not looking to the total annihilation' of North Korea there were 'many options to do so', he said Sunday.

But in the UK Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson cautioned against a military strike, because North Korea already had the ability to 'vaporize' large parts of the population of South Korea even without nuclear weapons.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4848362/Boris-Johnson-condemns-reckless-North-Korean-nuclear-test.html#ixzz4riplpsBS


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In response, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang, told reporters in Beijing on Monday that China regarded as “unacceptable a situation in which on the one hand we work to resolve this issue peacefully but on the other hand our own interests are subject to sanctions and jeopardized. This is neither objective nor fair."

Decades of paying lip service to condemnation of North Korea's nuclear ambitions while cozying up to them is neither just nor honest, either.  It's obvious an economic and strategic relationship with a nuclear extortionist/terrorist regime is more important to China than doing the right thing. Thanks for boldly stating where you stand on this issue.
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North Korea defies predictions — again — with early grasp of weapons milestone
Washington Post, Sep 3, 2017, 8:15 pm ET; Joby Warrick

The device that shook the mountains over the Punggye-ri test site on Sunday represented a quantum leap for North Korea’s nuclear capability, producing an explosion at least five times greater than the country’s previous tests and easily powerful enough to devastate a large city.

And if studies confirm that the bomb was a thermonuclear weapon — as North Korea claims — it would be a triumph of a different scale: a major technical milestone reached well ahead of predictions, putting the world’s most destructive force in the hands of the country’s 33-year-old autocrat.

The feat instantly erased lingering skepticism about Pyongyang’s technical capabilities and brought the prospect of nuclear-tipped North Korean intercontinental ballistic missiles a step closer to reality, U.S. analysts and weapons experts said. Many predicted that a miniaturized version of the presumed thermonuclear bomb would soon be in North Korea’s grasp, and that it probably already exists.

“North Korea has achieved a capability to wipe out a big chunk of any major city,” said Sue Mi Terry, a former senior analyst on North Korea at the CIA and now managing director for Korea at the Bower Group Asia. “If the North didn’t test a hydrogen bomb, as they said they did this time around, they will get there very soon.”

The blast, at exactly noon local time in the country’s northeastern mountains, produced seismic waves equivalent to a 6.3-magnitude earthquake, or 10 times as strong as the country’s last nuclear test, which occurred a year ago this week. A conclusive analysis will take days or weeks, but weapons experts said the sheer force of the explosion is highly suggestive of a thermonuclear bomb. Sometimes called hydrogen bombs or H-bombs, these second-generation nuclear devices entered U.S. and Soviet arsenals in the 1950s, threatening adversaries with a vastly greater destructive force compared with atomic bombs dropped on Japan in the final days of World War II.

Because of the H-bomb’s relatively complex two-stage design, many experts thought it would be months, or perhaps years, before North Korea’s scientists could master the necessary technology. When Pyongyang boasted last year that it had tested a thermonuclear device, many U.S. experts dismissed the claim as propaganda.

By early Sunday, Washington time, the skepticism had mostly evaporated.


More:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/north-korea-defies-predictions--again--with-early-grasp-of-weapons-milestone/2017/09/03/068ac20c-90db-11e7-89fa-bb822a46da5b_story.html?utm_term=.85ca5be647b6

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Who the hell is helping NK?

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Who the hell is helping NK?


Iran.. I also think China is helping NK by ignoring the threat.
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Iran.. I also think China is helping NK by ignoring the threat.

China Russia Iran Pakistan are most likely.

I think it was UAE who just bought 300m dollars in weapons from NK.
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China Russia Iran Pakistan are most likely.

I think it was UAE who just bought 300m dollars in weapons from NK.


That could be to. There is a reason why I can't trust Russia and never will trust Russia.
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Re: North Korea Crisis Live Thread
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2017, 03:59:48 pm »
Chinese Ambassador: China ‘will never allow chaos and war’ on the Korean Peninsula

 By Rebecca Savransky - 09/04/17 11:20 AM EDT


The Chinese ambassador to the United Nations on Monday encouraged dialogue to deal with the North Korean threat.

During an emergency meeting of the U.N. Security Council, Liu Jieyi said the situation on the Korean peninsula is "deteriorating constantly" and the issue needs to be resolved "peacefully."

"China will never allow chaos and war on the peninsula," he said.

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http://thehill.com/policy/defense/349119-chinese-ambassador-to-the-un-china-will-never-allow-chaos-and-war-on-the
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Iran.. I also think China is helping NK by ignoring the threat.

I thought NK was helping Iran, not the other way around.   Someone's actively helping NK develop these weapons.

Pakistan?  Russia?


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I thought NK was helping Iran, not the other way around.   Someone's actively helping NK develop these weapons.

Pakistan?  Russia?


I think both..  Pakistan and Russia
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Who the hell is helping NK?

They received some tech from A. Q. Khan.  Funding is probably coming from China and Iran.  The fissile material is thanks to the Clinton admin with the Agreed Framework.  The weapon design is also courtesy the Clinton admin when they worked with a former Soviet scientist to give Iran fake plans.  The scientist feared Iranian agents more than the CIA, so he corrected the errors and gave them the real deal under Operation Merlin.   We know this because Jeffrey Alexander told James Risen of the NYT.  Alexander is currently in jail, prosecuted during the Obama administration.   It is a real mucking fess, to use a Spoonerism.
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Re: North Korea Crisis Live Thread
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2017, 04:58:20 pm »
South Korea, U.S. to scrap warhead weight limit on South Korean missiles: Blue House


SEOUL (Reuters) - South Korean President Moon Jae-in and his U.S. counterpart Donald Trump agreed on Monday to scrap a warhead weight limit on South Korea’s missiles in the wake of North Korea’s sixth nuclear test, South Korea’s presidential office said.

In a separate phone call with Russian President Vladimir Putin also on Monday, Moon said the U.N. Security Council should seek ways to sever North Korea’s foreign currency income, including from its workers employed abroad and oil shipments.

Under the existing missile pact between the United States and South Korea, Seoul’s warheads currently face a cap of 500 kg (1100 lb).

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-southkorea-usa/south-korea-u-s-to-scrap-warhead-weight-limit-on-south-korean-missiles-blue-house-idUSKCN1BF1VE



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Re: North Korea Crisis Live Thread
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2017, 06:48:59 pm »
    Good Summary

KOREA UPDATE: New Missile Launches Imminent, the Trolling of China, Nikki Haley, and the Importance of Being Mattis

Posted at 1:00 pm on September 4, 2017 by streiff


Lots of things are happening with North Korea right now and the next month or so could determine how this movie ends. These are the big items.

New ICBM launches by North Korea are thought to be imminent.

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South Korea’s Defense Ministry said on Monday that North Korea appeared to be planning another missile launch, possibly of an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) to show off its claimed ability to target the United States with nuclear weapons.
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Re: North Korea Crisis Live Thread
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2017, 07:04:24 pm »
If they launch toward the pacific I hope se shoot it down  repeatedly   With the later shots hitting pyong yang.
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He's not wrong, but his abrasive style doesn't allow his substance to get through with a lot of folks.  My feeling is the Iranians were willing to sign the nuclear deal because they'd outsourced their weapons program to North Korea, anyway.  The attempt to build a copy of Yongbyong in Syria should be (literal) concrete proof of their unholy alliance - Syria being an Iranian proxy state.

I wouldn't use the word "abrasive", and would even go so far as to say that those who find him abrasive do so because they are not familiar with honesty and forthrightness.  Bolton has big boy pants and wears them, unlike many of his detractors.