The Need To Replace The Republican Party

[txradioguy]

I'll play. If another party is a good idea, why haven't the likes of Cruz already either gone that route, talked abut it or threatened it?

Answer: It is not a good idea.

Next question: If you can't attract the Cruz caliber people, what good is the new party?

Answer: It is not a good idea.

How do you know something like that isn't already in the works?

[txradioguy]

Because our resident Republican Party hack and Always Trumper demanded it be moved out of Politics and into Members Only the moment I reposted this thread - so it can be buried and silenced, which is what they and Liberals like them are all about: silencing and marginalizing their critics so they can have a safe space all to themselves.

@INVAR welcome back to the politics section.

[Smokin Joe]

How do you know something like that isn't already in the works?

It would sure be done on the QT because of the ramifications it would have if it failed to materialize.

[txradioguy]

It would sure be done on the QT because of the ramifications it would have if it failed to materialize.

Exactly. And in a town as leaky as DC the less people that know the better.

[corbe]

   I just don't see Sen. Cruz even entertaining this Idea (3rd Party) until after his reelection~then hopefully it's 'katy bar the door!', cause shit's gonna hit the fan.*



*especially HERE

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I'll play. If another party is a good idea, why haven't the likes of Cruz already either gone that route, talked abut it or threatened it?

Answer: It is not a good idea.

Next question: If you can't attract the Cruz caliber people, what good is the new party?

Answer: It is not a good idea.

Pretty brazen analysis, to tell us all you have the scoop on all the rest of us.

Your 'not a good idea' would have been a sorry excuse for not beginning a Revolutionary War against England.

Those who insist one cannot do something are just cowards, after what our ancestors went through.

[Emjay]

Okay - we're going to try this again.  Reposting the topic after nitwits succeeded in getting the original thread of 770 replies shut down.


When Angelo Codevilla speaks, I listen.

The Conservative's Conservative knows and understands what most true Conservatives already know, and he lays it all out here in unassailable logic.

And I wholeheartedly concur with his suggestion, because...

...he is right.  The Republican Party is no longer a viable party for Conservatives.  It is a Liberal/Democrat Party and no longer serves the interests of limited government, the Constitution or individual responsibility.


Replacing the Republican Party
America needs a virile alternative to the present mess

Having refused to repeal Obamacare, the Republican Party is dead, as was the Whig Party in 1854 after it colluded in the passage of the Kansas-Nebraska Act which opened these territories to slavery.

Republican majorities in both Houses of Congress as well as control of legislatures and governorships in 26 states veil the fact that, in 2017, there are no longer reasons to vote Republican any more than there were to vote Whig after 1854.

... opposition to the Democratic Party has no viable political vehicle. The Whigs, like today’s Republicans, contained a substantial percentage of prominent people whose interests and ideas are hardly distinguishable from those of Democrats.

...there is no doubt that today’s America is ruled by a single ruling party and that the Republican Party is part of that party rather than an alternative to it.

Why vote Republican when that results, rhetoric aside, in being governed as by Democrats? America needs a true alternative to our ruling Uni-party, a true second party.

More at link.

I was soooo glad when that ancient thread was locked.  Same people saying same things over and over.

And now you have to start it up again.  Well, I'm not playing this go round.

[corbe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4wBbx9wE5U

[Bigun]

I was soooo glad when that ancient thread was locked.  Same people saying same things over and over.

And now you have to start it up again.  Well, I'm not playing this go round.

So you are fine with shit like this?

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/25/heres-the-real-reason-trump-is-angry-with-mcconnell-and-ryan/

[RoosGirl]

One more reason why supporting or voting for Republicans is a waste of your time.

Might as well vote for Democrats, you will get the same results, just a lot faster.

This is the reason I see red when some people here have said that it's only one or two Republicans that failed to repeal ACA.  Ummm...no.

[RoosGirl]

So you are fine with shit like this?

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/25/heres-the-real-reason-trump-is-angry-with-mcconnell-and-ryan/

Please don't make us have to go troll hunting again.

[INVAR]

I was soooo glad when that ancient thread was locked.  Same people saying same things over and over.

And now you have to start it up again.  Well, I'm not playing this go round.

See ya then.

I will keep this topic going and restarting it each and every time it is shut down and each and every single time the Republican party gives yet another reason it needs to be replaced as the home of Conservatives.

This is the reason I see red when some people here have said that it's only one or two Republicans that failed to repeal ACA.  Ummm...no.

Exactly.  The fact the GOP under Ryan and McConnell along with the rest of the party will capitulate to the Democrats (AGAIN), raise the Debt Ceiling, fully fund ObamaCare and Planned Parenthood Abortion services while refusing to do what they and their party's leader campaigned upon is the case-in-point that with two exceptions, the entire Republican party is corrupt and beyond redemption.  It needs to be replaced as to where Conservatives place their votes for candidates for office.

[Bigun]

 

Please don't make us have to go troll hunting again.

You don’t need to hunt them!  They will find you regardless!

[Cyber Liberty]

I was soooo glad when that ancient thread was locked. 

If I were you, I would be too.

[RoosGirl]

One more reason why supporting or voting for Republicans is a waste of your time.

Might as well vote for Democrats, you will get the same results, just a lot faster.

Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan are planning to pass legislation that would raise the debt ceiling and fully fund Obamacare subsidies through the 2018 election cycle..... Leadership is also preparing to pass a short-term spending bill — a continuing resolution — that would fund the government through mid-December, include no appropriations for Trump’s border wall, and continue funding to Planned Parenthood

So let's just suppose for a moment that we all believe that Trump is a conservative.  We're going to pretend that both NTs and ATs here haven't admitted that he's not.  Trump is 100% invested in ACA repeal, fair taxes, getting rid of the EPA and Dept of Ed, etc.  Does anyone believe the Republicans are going to allow any of that to happen?  How many years do you think it will take to replace the liberal Republicans in office now and be in a position of leadership within the Congress?  I don't see it being any longer or shorter than an actual conservative party once people realize that it is needed.

[INVAR]

So let's just suppose for a moment that we all believe that Trump is a conservative.  We're going to pretend that both NTs and ATs here haven't admitted that he's not.  Trump is 100% invested in ACA repeal, fair taxes, getting rid of the EPA and Dept of Ed, etc.  Does anyone believe the Republicans are going to allow any of that to happen?  How many years do you think it will take to replace the liberal Republicans in office now and be in a position of leadership within the Congress?  I don't see it being any longer or shorter than an actual conservative party once people realize that it is needed.

Good point.  Yes, the argument is always that it will take YEARS to get another party going and YEARS after that before it begins 'winning elections'. 

To paraphrase Hildabeast: "What difference does it make?"  We're better off cutting ourselves free of endemic corruption and Socialism.

To wit:

Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan are planning to pass legislation that would raise the debt ceiling and fully fund Obamacare subsidies through the 2018 election cycle..... Leadership is also preparing to pass a short-term spending bill — a continuing resolution — that would fund the government through mid-December, include no appropriations for Trump’s border wall, and continue funding to Planned Parenthood

Might as well voted for Democrats, the results are the same.

[libertybele]

There is no need to replace the Republican Party. Just the imperative to replace a boat load of feckless, fat and happy career politicians within the Republican Party!

..and on this one, you and I agree!  Replace the liberal idiots within the GOP; starting with the leadership in the House and Senate.

[roamer_1]

..and on this one, you and I agree!  Replace the liberal idiots within the GOP; starting with the leadership in the House and Senate.

Yeah... Not gonna happen.
That's been the mantra for the last THIRTY YEARS. Where's the ROI?
Sooner or later you've got to quit doing the same old thing and expecting different results.

[txradioguy]

It's not as easy as replacing the likes of McConnell Cornyn or Ryan and righting the ship anymore.

Thanks to rule changes at the last two RNC conventions and a combination of cloak room deals and outright bullying on Capitol Hill by leadership. You couldn't unearth McConnell or Ryan with a MOAB.

And even if you do...like all good Mafia Godfather's... they've installed loyal lieutenants in key positions to make sure nothing changes if and when the Don leaves office.

[INVAR]

..and on this one, you and I agree!  Replace the liberal idiots within the GOP; starting with the leadership in the House and Senate.

They rewrote the rules to prevent that very thing from happening.

What will it take to get Republicans to realize their party was taken over wholesale by Democrats?

When they condemn White Privilege and Southern heritage but deliberately refuse to mention Antifa or Black Lives Matter?

When they agree that Single Payer healthcare is a right they must provide at your expense?

When the GOP signs onto a gun confiscation bill?

If they don't realize it now, they never will.  They will just become liberal Democrats themselves, cheering their party and thinking themselves different.

But Statists just the same.

[Bigun]

Yeah... Not gonna happen.
That's been the mantra for the last THIRTY YEARS. Where's the ROI?
Sooner or later you've got to quit doing the same old thing and expecting different results.

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[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

They rewrote the rules to prevent that very thing from happening.

What will it take to get Republicans to realize their party was taken over wholesale by Democrats?

When they condemn White Privilege and Southern heritage but deliberately refuse to mention Antifa or Black Lives Matter?

When they agree that Single Payer healthcare is a right they must provide at your expense?

When the GOP signs onto a gun confiscation bill?

If they don't realize it now, they never will.  They will just become liberal Democrats themselves, cheering their party and thinking themselves different.

But Statists just the same.

I believe it will be when Chelsea Clinton runs against Chelsea (still a dude) Manning and they have to look it up to tell us which one to vote for because s/he has an (R).

Nah, we're that screwed.

[txradioguy]

I believe it will be when Chelsea Clinton runs against Chelsea (still a dude) Manning and they have to look it up to tell us which one to vote for because s/he has an (R).

Nah, we're that screwed.

IMHO they pretty much had to look it up for us during this election

[Smokin Joe]

This is the reason I see red when some people here have said that it's only one or two Republicans that failed to repeal ACA.  Ummm...no.

A limited few (but just enough) will either volunteer or be selected to vote against (or for) the stuff we do or don't want, respectively. Collins, Murkowski, to keep the libs in their districts happy, McCain is a lame duck and had liberal leanings and won't experience political cost. But behind all that with the slide rules are the people who do the calculus of who can survive voting how on an issue, and when they just have to duck voting entirely so they can stay hidden from the folks back home. Without a few roll call votes on diverse enough issues that we can see who is getting moved around the board to keep the vote back home and still kill the bills the uniparty wants dead, we won't have an honest accounting of who there is a fraud, only the rare few who do manage to commit some conservative act.