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If someone preaches hate against groups that supposedly espouse hate, isn't that some as bad as the group?

Not just hate but intolerance towards these viewpoints.

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I don't give a damn if they were wearing full dress SS uniforms and waving giant size swastika flags.  Such an occurrence does not suspend the laws against assault and battery.

The governor wanted a confrontation, and he got it. 
First, he declared a state of emergency and removed the authority of the Charlotteville police by putting the State Police in charge.
Next, he used tear gas to chase the white supremacists out of the first park (the one they had the permit for).
A path was created for that group to reach the second park, but that path ran head on into the Antifa group.
The white supremacists were then diverted into the second park allowing the Antifa group to block their exit.
And finally, state police in full riot gear pushed the white supremacists back out of that park head on into the Antifa group.

McAuliffe is looking for free publicity for his Presidential run in 2020.  He orchestrated the whole thing.  The Charlottesville police were doing a decent job of keeping the sides separated.  But once the state of emergency was declared and the state took control, everything went to hell.  McAuliffe just didn't count on the kid with the car.  After that, the state police got serious in restoring order.
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I don't give a damn if they were wearing full dress SS uniforms and waving giant size swastika flags.  Such an occurrence does not suspend the laws against assault and battery.

The governor wanted a confrontation, and he got it. 
First, he declared a state of emergency and removed the authority of the Charlotteville police by putting the State Police in charge.
Next, he used tear gas to chase the white supremacists out of the first park (the one they had the permit for).
A path was created for that group to reach the second park, but that path ran head on into the Antifa group.
The white supremacists were then diverted into the second park allowing the Antifa group to block their exit.
And finally, state police in full riot gear pushed the white supremacists back out of that park head on into the Antifa group.

McAuliffe is looking for free publicity for his Presidential run in 2020.  He orchestrated the whole thing.  The Charlottesville police were doing a decent job of keeping the sides separated.  But once the state of emergency was declared and the state took control, everything went to hell.  McAuliffe just didn't count on the kid with the car.  After that, the state police got serious in restoring order.

That's pretty much the story eye witnesses are telling.  They don't mention McAuliffe but the do tell what happened and it comports with your description of events right down the line.
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That's pretty much the story eye witnesses are telling.  They don't mention McAuliffe but the do tell what happened and it comports with your description of events right down the line.

Doesn't matter what the eyewitnesses saw and report anymore.

What matters is the narrative that the media and the Political Caste has now permanently sown in the minds of the populace. 

It will not matter now what evidence or video you find or show that contradicts the media narrative.  The "reality" is now set, the zeitgeist is now marching to tear down all that offends them while the iron is hot, having been led there by the Victim Pimps on the Left.

The White South/Christian/Conservative culture are the new Kulaks and so is their history.

Read up on the Ukraine in the 20s.  You are about to relive it.
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I gotta step in with some info here, Joe. Your 100 million is woefully short. 20th-century death numbers:



    MORTACRACIES

    The Deka-Megamurderers ... 219.634 million

    China (PRC) 1949-87 .... 76.702 million
    U.S.S.R. 1917-87 ........ 61.911 million
    Colonialism .............. 50.000 million
    Germany 1933-45 ....... 20.946 million (including 5.291 million Jews)
    China (KMT) 1928-49 ... 10.075 million


    The Megamurderers .... 19.180 million

    Japan 1936-45 ............ 5.964 million
    China (Mao Soviets) 1923-48 ... 3.468 million
    Cambodia 1975-79 ........ 2.035 million
    Turkey 1909-18 ........... 1.883 million
    Vietnam 1945-87 .......... 1.647 million
    Poland 1945-48 ........... 1.585 million
    Pakistan 1958-87 ......... 1.503 million
    Yugoslavia (Tito) 1944-87 ... 1.072 million



Total 20th century war death toll: 35 million to 40 million.

Meanwhile, the 15 bloodiest wars:

1. World War II, 20 million dead (1937-45).
2. World War I, 8.5 million dead (1914-18).
3. Korean War, 1.2 million dead (1950-53).
4. Chinese civil war, 1.2 million dead (1945-49).
5. Vietnam War, 1.2 million dead (1965-73).
6. Iran-Iraq War, 850,000 dead (1980-88).
7. Russian civil war, 800,000 dead (1918-21).
8. Chinese civil war, 400,000 dead (1927-39).
9. French Indochina war, 385,000 dead (1945-54).
10. Mexican Revolution, 200,000 dead (1911-20).
11. Spanish Civil War, 200,000 dead (1936-39).
12. French Algeria war, 160,000 dead (1954-62).
13. Afghanistan war, 150,000 dead (1980-89).
14. Russo-Japanese war, 130,000 dead (1904-05).
15. Riffian war (Morocco), 100,000 dead (1921-26).
15. First Sudanese Civil War, 100,000 dead (1956-72).
15. Russo-Polish War, 100,000 dead (1919-20).
15. Biafran War, 100,000 dead (1967-70).


Uh....I know it's early.....but.....

no mention of the US Civil War there?  Why not?  I guess the question should be...why limit it to that time-frame?
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no mention of the US Civil War there?  Why not?

Because the waw-uh ain't over yet.
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Not just hate but intolerance towards these viewpoints.
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Uh....I know it's early.....but.....

no mention of the US Civil War there?  Why not?  I guess the question should be...why limit it to that time-frame?

The only thing I would include is the total number of people murdered by islam. Since that ideology has been fairly consistent since its incepetion.
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Doesn't matter what the eyewitnesses saw and report anymore.

What matters is the narrative that the media and the Political Caste has now permanently sown in the minds of the populace. 
 

It's pretty much the implementation of the "Two Minutes Hate".       

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Uh....I know it's early.....but.....

no mention of the US Civil War there?  Why not?  I guess the question should be...why limit it to that time-frame?

I guess you would have to place some time limits on it (since the beginning of time?) and this was the past century.

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The only thing I would include is the total number of people murdered by islam. Since that ideology has been fairly consistent since its incepetion.


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It's pretty much the implementation of the "Two Minutes Hate".     



If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Uh....I know it's early.....but.....

no mention of the US Civil War there?  Why not?  I guess the question should be...why limit it to that time-frame?
We were discussing the relative body counts of Fascist and Communist totalitarians, and my estimate of 100 plus million for the Communist/Marxist group was woefully inadequate over the last century, as @bigheadfred pointed out.

While the War of Northern Aggression killed some 620,000 combatants, and likely two times as many civilians (mostly Southern), the communists and fascists were not involved as a political ideology. While the war had its totalitarian elements, neither of those particular flavors of totalitarianism were blatantly involved.
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We were discussing the relative body counts of Fascist and Communist totalitarians, and my estimate of 100 plus million for the Communist/Marxist group was woefully inadequate over the last century, as @bigheadfred pointed out.

While the War of Northern Aggression killed some 620,000 combatants, and likely two times as many civilians (mostly Southern), the communists and fascists were not involved as a political ideology. While the war had its totalitarian elements, neither of those particular flavors of totalitarianism were blatantly involved.

Ok....thanks.   And nevermind....lol.  I wasn't aware.

That's what I get for trying to play catch-up in two minutes, sans caffeine.    ^-^
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Ok....thanks.   And nevermind....lol.  I wasn't aware.

That's what I get for trying to play catch-up in two minutes, sans caffeine.    ^-^
Coffee is a food group!  :laugh:
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We were discussing the relative body counts of Fascist and Communist totalitarians, and my estimate of 100 plus million for the Communist/Marxist group was woefully inadequate over the last century, as @bigheadfred pointed out.

While the War of Northern Aggression killed some 620,000 combatants, and likely two times as many civilians (mostly Southern), the communists and fascists were not involved as a political ideology. While the war had its totalitarian elements, neither of those particular flavors of totalitarianism were blatantly involved.
@Smokin Joe

Actually that is not quite true!

Many of the leaders of the failed Marxist revolutions which occurred all over Europe in and around 1848 (commonly referred to as the 48ers by historians) escaped the hangman by running to America! Some of them became prominent in bringing about the death of the Whig party and the rising of the new Republican party and many of those were rewarded with military commissions in Mr. Lincoln's army one of which (August Willich) rose to the rank of Major General and never stopped a running correspondence with his friend Karl Marx until Marx passed away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Willich
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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@Smokin Joe

Actually that is not quite true!

Many of the leaders of the failed Marxist revolutions which occurred all over Europe in and around 1848 (commonly referred to as the 48ers by historians) escaped the hangman by running to America! Some of them became prominent in bringing about the death of the Whig party and the rising of the new Republican party and many of those were rewarded with military commissions in Mr. Lincoln's army one of which (August Willich) rose to the rank of Major General and never stopped a running correspondence with his friend Karl Marx until Marx passed away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Willich
Thanks. I really do learn something every day. I was not aware of the Marxist/Yankee connection.
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C S Lewis

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Thanks. I really do learn something every day. I was not aware of the Marxist/Yankee connection.

And that is by design!  You must ALWAYS remember that the history of wars is written by the victor and greatly biased so as to put them in the best possible light!
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And that is by design!  You must ALWAYS remember that the history of wars is written by the victor and greatly biased so as to put them in the best possible light!
I'm a Marylander by birth, with deep roots there (back to colonial times). I am well aware there are gross distortions in the fables presented as history.
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I'm a Marylander by birth, with deep roots there (back to colonial times). I am well aware there are gross distortions in the fables presented as history.

Good! You are among the very few who are so informed!  :beer:
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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@Smokin Joe

Actually that is not quite true!

Many of the leaders of the failed Marxist revolutions which occurred all over Europe in and around 1848 (commonly referred to as the 48ers by historians) escaped the hangman by running to America! Some of them became prominent in bringing about the death of the Whig party and the rising of the new Republican party and many of those were rewarded with military commissions in Mr. Lincoln's army one of which (August Willich) rose to the rank of Major General and never stopped a running correspondence with his friend Karl Marx until Marx passed away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Willich

I didn't know that!

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I didn't know that!

@Sanguine

IMHO that was the beginning of what has brought us to where we find ourselves today!  And there is a reason why few have any idea about it!
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@Sanguine @Smokin Joe

Here's a little Marx for you!

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The war between the North and the South is a tariff war. The war is further, not for any principle, does not touch the question of slavery, and in fact turns on the Northern lust for sovereignty.

Karl Marx, 1861

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The greatest tool Communism has in our toolbox is the progressive income tax.

 Karl Marx

"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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