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Offline bigheadfred

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driftdiver wrote:
"And the White Nationalists who have formed as a response to the black & latino nationalists that have been prominent for quite a while now.  The difference being the white nationalists say they just think whites deserve a seat at the table.  They say they are tired of white people being demonized."

Thanks for being unafraid to say that in clear and objective language.

Whites deserve "a seat at the table" because in America, it was whites who -built- the table -- and wrote the documents -on the table- that, once signed, became the framework for the greatest governance humankind has ever seen.

How many signatures of non-whites appear upon those documents?

More apropos to the topic:
In Charlottesville, how many of the alt-right folks engaged in violence, other than that kid in the car who lost it? (he'll be punished)
In Charlottesville, how many of the antifa folks engaged in violence?

I sense that an unbiased investigation will discover that the violence came from the left, and not from the right.

If that's the case, shouldn't we be praising the demonstrators of the alt-right, for showing restraint and self-discipline?

Great, great post.   :beer:

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driftdiver wrote:
"And the White Nationalists who have formed as a response to the black & latino nationalists that have been prominent for quite a while now.  The difference being the white nationalists say they just think whites deserve a seat at the table.  They say they are tired of white people being demonized."

Thanks for being unafraid to say that in clear and objective language.

Whites deserve "a seat at the table" because in America, it was whites who -built- the table -- and wrote the documents -on the table- that, once signed, became the framework for the greatest governance humankind has ever seen.

How many signatures of non-whites appear upon those documents?

More apropos to the topic:
In Charlottesville, how many of the alt-right folks engaged in violence, other than that kid in the car who lost it? (he'll be punished)
In Charlottesville, how many of the antifa folks engaged in violence?

I sense that an unbiased investigation will discover that the violence came from the left, and not from the right.

If that's the case, shouldn't we be praising the demonstrators of the alt-right, for showing restraint and self-discipline?

How far we've come since 1965, whites pleading for a 'seat at the table'.



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Whites have always had a seat at the table.   It's sad to see "white nationalists" obsessed with the same divisive identity politics as the left. 
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Whites have always had a seat at the table.   It's sad to see "white nationalists" obsessed with the same divisive identity politics as the left.

Its sad that "whites" are forced to asked to be considered based on their race, but its not said "whites" that created the spoils system that necessitates it.

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Well who's the genius that though letting the White Supremacists march with the Antifas was a good idea?

And here is another boneheaded idea...calling the fascist march "Unite The Right" which implicates all of us on the Right as being in league with them.  At least the way the Liberal media will spin this, and right up to the mid term elections.  What should be in the news following the march is the debate over removing symbols of the Confederacy. Instead the marchers themselves steel the headlines away, and the statue topic is no more. Nice job idiots.
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And here is another boneheaded idea...calling the fascist march "Unite The Right" which implicates all of us on the Right as being in league with them.  At least the way the Liberal media will spin this, and right up to the mid term elections.  What should be in the news following the march is the debate over removing symbols of the Confederacy. Instead the marchers themselves steel the headlines away, and the statue topic is no more. Nice job idiots.

Didn't the Antifas and BLMers show up uninvited?

And, I suspect the people who came up with the name did so exactly for the reason of linking all of the "right" with them.
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And here is another boneheaded idea...calling the fascist march "Unite The Right" which implicates all of us on the Right as being in league with them.  At least the way the Liberal media will spin this, and right up to the mid term elections.  What should be in the news following the march is the debate over removing symbols of the Confederacy. Instead the marchers themselves steel the headlines away, and the statue topic is no more. Nice job idiots.
I visit alt-right sites as well as alt-left sites to see what the crazies on both extremes are up to.  It was obvious that many ARers/WNs really believed Trump was going to declare himself a fellow WN and pass laws to enable AR and WN positions. Not a Trump fan ( I did vote for him to avoid Hillary), but I never thought Trump was any kind of racist. He was willing to accept support from a variety of sources, but even before the election he had made statements denouncing David Duke. 
But the naivete of the WNs and their supporters in thinking they could "unite the right" with a campaign of hate against non-whites was doomed from the start.  The Republicans would never win another national election if they allied with race-haters.  What conservatives demand is that ALL!!! laws favoring different demographics over others be abolished for constitutional reasons and the Rule Of Law be enforced equally. That's it. 

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I visit alt-right sites as well as alt-left sites to see what the crazies on both extremes are up to.  It was obvious that many ARers/WNs really believed Trump was going to declare himself a fellow WN and pass laws to enable AR and WN positions. Not a Trump fan ( I did vote for him to avoid Hillary), but I never thought Trump was any kind of racist. He was willing to accept support from a variety of sources, but even before the election he had made statements denouncing David Duke. 
But the naivete of the WNs and their supporters in thinking they could "unite the right" with a campaign of hate against non-whites was doomed from the start.  The Republicans would never win another national election if they allied with race-haters.  What conservatives demand is that ALL!!! laws favoring different demographics over others be abolished for constitutional reasons and the Rule Of Law be enforced equally. That's it.

They do think this. A scary number wanted Trump to start "cleansing".

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And I'd add to that group, the multi-culturalism nuts as well.  Taking away others' heritage is prejudice too.
And add BLM nut jobs too. They pretend that one race matters over others.

Besides, why does make a point to tear down memorials to our past history? If they think something is missing, erect their memorial, not tear down others. IF slavery is a point, then erect a memorial to the slaves. Infuriating others does not make peace.
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Whites have always had a seat at the table.

What table?
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Did they not have the right to march?

The White Supremacists, Klan, and Neo-Nazi-types could have just simply chose to ignore them.....but NOOOOOOOOO....they wanted blood, and they got it.
They didn't have the right to force the people out of the park who had a permit to hold their event. I have a right to swing my arm. When I hit someone, that right ends.

They (Antifa/BLM) didn't have a permit. They invaded the space the other group had a permit to use.

I'd say that's wrong.
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There is no justification for Nazis, the Klan, or White Supremacists.

Period.

Any rally must be met with widespread protests and condemnation.
Justify BLM, based on what? Trayvon Martin and the thug in Missouri? On media lies and distortions? People acting like brownshirts on the basis of their proclaiming they are ANTI-Fascist?

There is no excuse for any of them, but it is obvious who the MSM favors.
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I can't stand them either.  But they've got a right to assemble, march, and speak. As long as they don't promote violence at their rallies, they're allowed to march and speak.....AND NOT BE INTERFERED WITH!!!.
This, very simply, is the fact all should be looking at.
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This, very simply, is the fact all should be looking at.

Pretty much what I said on another thread.

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What happened there?   A Nazi ran down folks, repeatedly, with his car.   How can that not be condemned in the strongest terms?
Sure, I condemn running down people in the streets.

I must note, If they hadn't been out there violently protesting a lawful assembly, they would have been perfectly safe, though.

From the video I saw, though, he ran into the crowd and backed out. I'm not sure that qualifies for the optic of "repeatedly", which would usually entail going forward and backing up multiple times. There is enough inflammatory rhetoric in the world without resorting to that here.
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When a neo-Nazi murders someone at a white supremacist, Klan, and neo-Nazi event... you condemn the white supremacists, Klan, and neo-Nazis.

When a violent leftest group injures/kills someone... then you condemn violent leftists.

You don't mix and match.  That is deflection.
He could simply condemn any violence which is intended to silence the opinions of others, no matter where it comes from. That takes in the whole shooting match.
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What table?
He's been visiting that Rich Whiteman again. They have furniture over there. (Didn't have to burn it to keep warm last winter).
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Besides, why does make a point to tear down memorials to our past history? If they think something is missing, erect their memorial, not tear down others. IF slavery is a point, then erect a memorial to the slaves. Infuriating others does not make peace.

Most sane post on the thread. Thank you!
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He could simply condemn any violence which is intended to silence the opinions of others, no matter where it comes from. That takes in the whole shooting match.

Wheres the political benefit in that?

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Wheres the political benefit in that?
Neutrality. Look at the Swiss, devastated by war...oh wait.

It is a viable blanket condemnation of misbehaviour that is aimed at the appropriate groups without naming names, and without the need to.
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Justify BLM, based on what? Trayvon Martin and the thug in Missouri? On media lies and distortions? People acting like brownshirts on the basis of their proclaiming they are ANTI-Fascist?

There is no excuse for any of them, but it is obvious who the MSM favors.

While I agree with your assertion that BLM and Antifa are counterproductive, they don't have the body count of millions (Nazis) and thousands (KKK) of people murdered under their respective banners.

The historical record matters. Those individuals in Charlottesville chose to represent those heinous organizations because they embrace the blood-stained history of said groups.
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Neutrality. Look at the Swiss, devastated by war...oh wait.

It is a viable blanket condemnation of misbehaviour that is aimed at the appropriate groups without naming names, and without the need to.

Of course I totally agree.

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While I agree with your assertion that BLM and Antifa are counterproductive, they don't have the body count of millions (Nazis) and thousands (KKK) of people murdered under their respective banners.

The historical record matters. Those individuals in Charlottesville chose to represent those heinous organizations because they embrace the blood-stained history of said groups.

If you are going for historical record include the body count of the groups Antifa and BLM represent.

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While I agree with your assertion that BLM and Antifa are counterproductive, they don't have the body count of millions (Nazis) and thousands (KKK) of people murdered under their respective banners.

The historical record matters. Those individuals in Charlottesville chose to represent those heinous organizations because they embrace the blood-stained history of said groups.

As far as blood stained history goes, international socialism of the kind undergirding authoritarian groups like BLM and Antifa blows every other murderous ideology away in terms of body count.

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