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The antifa were allowed to march.

Think about what really happened there.

What happened there?   A Nazi ran down folks, repeatedly, with his car.   How can that not be condemned in the strongest terms?   
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Just as Obama could not condem or even utter the words Islamic Radicals, Trump seems to be avoiding naming who these  sadistic violent  biggots are....instead as in the fashion of Obama lumps them into a "there is viloence on all sides" comment.

Good point. 
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Well at least his daughter has the stones to speak clearly.


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Just as Obama could not condem or even utter the words Islamic Radicals, Trump seems to be avoiding naming who these  sadistic violent  biggots are....instead as in the fashion of Obama lumps them into a "there is viloence on all sides" comment.
No fan of Trump, but the media, as usual, is using this incident to blame ALL political violence on far right extremist groups. That's patently a lie, most political violence is coming from people on the left.
Should Trump explcitly condemn WN groups? Sure, but at the same time he should condemn violent leftist groups as well.

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What happened there?   A Nazi ran down folks, repeatedly, with his car.   How can that not be condemned in the strongest terms?

@Jazzhead
Yeah I remember when you were condemning the Antifa folks when they were throwing bottles, hitting people with bike locks, throwing glass at them, hitting them with baseball bats.

Yeah I remember that so clearly.

oh wait
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Which are they:  White Nationalists or White Supremacists??

There were two groups.  The white supremacists who think Whites are superior to all other races.

And the White Nationalists who have formed as a response to the black & latino nationalists that have been prominent for quite a while now.  The difference being the white nationalists say they just think whites deserve a seat at the table.  They say they are tired of white people being demonized.
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@Jazzhead
Yeah I remember when you were condemning the Antifa folks when they were throwing bottles, hitting people with bike locks, throwing glass at them, hitting them with baseball bats.

Yeah I remember that so clearly.

oh wait

Why should I be expected to condemn Antifa violence on a conservative site?    Such violence should be condemned to a liberal/progressive audience.  And I've done so.

Why can't you bring yourself to condemn Nazi violence, without equivocation or qualification?  Two wrongs don't make a right, you know.     

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There were two groups.  The white supremacists who think Whites are superior to all other races.

And the White Nationalists who have formed as a response to the black & latino nationalists that have been prominent for quite a while now.  The difference being the white nationalists say they just think whites deserve a seat at the table.  They say they are tired of white people being demonized.

There's no functional difference between white supremacists and white nationalists.   To hell with 'em all.   
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There's no functional difference between white supremacists and white nationalists.   To hell with 'em all.

And I'd add to that group, the multi-culturalism nuts as well.  Taking away others' heritage is prejudice too.

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Anyone who has listened to Dennis Prager has heard him talk about whom established our country, our democracy.

Then, compare America's system to those countries the Spanish settled.

There's quite a bit to reflect on.


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Why should I be expected to condemn Antifa violence on a conservative site?    Such violence should be condemned to a liberal/progressive audience.  And I've done so.

Why can't you bring yourself to condemn Nazi violence, without equivocation or qualification?  Two wrongs don't make a right, you know.   

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Oh I've condemned it repeatedly.  In fact I'm also one that challenges racist dialog here just as I used to do at TOS.

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Anyone who has listened to Dennis Prager has heard him talk about whom established our country, our democracy.

Then, compare America's system to those countries the Spanish settled.

There's quite a bit to reflect on.

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Whats that mean?   That spanish are inferior because central & south america aren't as rich as the US?

That seems to be the inference you are making.
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Why should I be expected to condemn Antifa violence on a conservative site?    Such violence should be condemned to a liberal/progressive audience.  And I've done so.

Why can't you bring yourself to condemn Nazi violence, without equivocation or qualification?  Two wrongs don't make a right, you know.   

It's like the asinine comment on another thread regarding Bill Clinton's meeting with Loretta Lynch; that people here, specifically the people critical of Trump, would ignore the story and were too stupid to generate a certain number of comments on it because it wasn't a story critical of Trump.

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It's like the asinine comment on another thread regarding Bill Clinton's meeting with Loretta Lynch; that people here, specifically the people critical of Trump, would ignore the story and were too stupid to generate a certain number of comments on it because it wasn't a story critical of Trump.

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I'm not surprised to see you agreeing with @Jazzhead
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And I'd add to that group, the multi-culturalism nuts as well.  Taking away others' heritage is prejudice too.

I support Nationalism, because a Nation is like a house.   You live in your house,  establish your rules.    Your neighbor lives in his house, where he establishes his rules.   I can have my neighbor over as a guest, and I can be his guest.  The guest respects the rules of the neighbor's house.

That's Nationalism.

Multiculturalism, is forcing these two neighbors to now live under the same roof and share the same resources.   If they have different values, there is bound to be conflict.    It doesn't mean one is better than the other, but the natural state of multiculturalism is tension.

By having a "melting pot" we avoided that because we created a unique culture that blended in all of the different cultures into a new one.

But the Left abandoned this in favor of the "Tossed Salad" that forced us to celebrate differences instead of our similarities.

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I'm not surprised to see you agreeing with @Jazzhead

Call me crazy, but  I even agree with you sometimes.

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I support Nationalism, because a Nation is like a house.   You live in your house,  establish your rules.    Your neighbor lives in his house, where he establishes his rules.   I can have my neighbor over as a guest, and I can be his guest.  The guest respects the rules of the neighbor's house.

That's Nationalism.

Multiculturalism, is forcing these two neighbors to now live under the same roof and share the same resources.   If they have different values, there is bound to be conflict.    It doesn't mean one is better than the other, but the natural state of multiculturalism is tension.

By having a "melting pot" we avoided that because we created a unique culture that blended in all of the different cultures into a new one.

But the Left abandoned this in favor of the "Tossed Salad" that forced us to celebrate differences instead of our similarities.

I support Patriotism, but not nationalism. There's a difference there.

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Whats that mean?   That spanish are inferior because central & south america aren't as rich as the US?

That seems to be the inference you are making.

If one wishes to believe the Spanish system of government is equal to the ones the British brought, so be it.

In fact, a lot of Latin America is rich with minerals.

All I will say, is I'm sure there are a number of factors.

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I support Patriotism, but not nationalism. There's a difference there.

The ideology of Teddy Roosevelt's Bull Moose party. New Nationalism/Progressivism

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No fan of Trump, but the media, as usual, is using this incident to blame ALL political violence on far right extremist groups. That's patently a lie, most political violence is coming from people on the left.
Should Trump explcitly condemn WN groups? Sure, but at the same time he should condemn violent leftist groups as well.

When a neo-Nazi murders someone at a white supremacist, Klan, and neo-Nazi event... you condemn the white supremacists, Klan, and neo-Nazis.

When a violent leftest group injures/kills someone... then you condemn violent leftists.

You don't mix and match.  That is deflection.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2017, 03:28:31 PM by HonestJohn »

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I support Nationalism, because a Nation is like a house.   You live in your house,  establish your rules.    Your neighbor lives in his house, where he establishes his rules.   I can have my neighbor over as a guest, and I can be his guest.  The guest respects the rules of the neighbor's house.

That's Nationalism.

Multiculturalism, is forcing these two neighbors to now live under the same roof and share the same resources.   If they have different values, there is bound to be conflict.    It doesn't mean one is better than the other, but the natural state of multiculturalism is tension.

By having a "melting pot" we avoided that because we created a unique culture that blended in all of the different cultures into a new one.

But the Left abandoned this in favor of the "Tossed Salad" that forced us to celebrate differences instead of our similarities.

Not really.  At the beginning, every new group clearly seperate (just like any new item in a melting pot).  Over time, the group assimilates so that their children are more Americanized... and their grandchildren even moreso (the new bit in the melting pot finally melts).

What we're seeing over the last 20 years has been the first part.

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Why should I be expected to condemn Antifa violence on a conservative site?    Such violence should be condemned to a liberal/progressive audience.  And I've done so.

Likewise, why should we be expected to condemn national socialist violence on a Conservative site?  Such violence should be condemned to a liberal/progressive audience.
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driftdiver wrote:
"And the White Nationalists who have formed as a response to the black & latino nationalists that have been prominent for quite a while now.  The difference being the white nationalists say they just think whites deserve a seat at the table.  They say they are tired of white people being demonized."

Thanks for being unafraid to say that in clear and objective language.

Whites deserve "a seat at the table" because in America, it was whites who -built- the table -- and wrote the documents -on the table- that, once signed, became the framework for the greatest governance humankind has ever seen.

How many signatures of non-whites appear upon those documents?

More apropos to the topic:
In Charlottesville, how many of the alt-right folks engaged in violence, other than that kid in the car who lost it? (he'll be punished)
In Charlottesville, how many of the antifa folks engaged in violence?

I sense that an unbiased investigation will discover that the violence came from the left, and not from the right.

If that's the case, shouldn't we be praising the demonstrators of the alt-right, for showing restraint and self-discipline?
« Last Edit: August 14, 2017, 07:08:14 PM by Fishrrman »


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