The battle of Charlottesville: A continuing discussion thread about the War between the States

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Indeed! And the people who rendered those decisions should have been impeached for making them!

We have been obviously talking to an individual who has no comprehension of what this country's history or historical basis is.

He/she/it has drunk the koolaid.

[goodwithagun]

Indeed! And the people who rendered those decisions should have been impeached for making them!

There are many conservative wins based on our Founders's writings. I would hope those judges weren't impeached!

[Hoodat]

There are many conservative wins based on our Founders's writings. I would hope those judges weren't impeached!

The Federalist papers were used as a guide.  But it is ultimately the Constitution upon which those decisions were based.

[goodwithagun]

There are many conservative wins based on our Founders's writings. I would hope those judges weren't impeached!

I'm too tired to look it up, but I think there might even be a 2A ruling based on the testimony of an English grammar specialist.

[goodwithagun]

The Federalist papers were used as a guide.  But it is ultimately the Constitution upon which those decisions were based.

Absolutely! The justices do use our Founders' writings to base their rulings of modern issues.

[Hoodat]

Absolutely! The justices do use our Founders' writings to base their rulings of modern issues.

No, they used the Constitution to base their rulings.  Otherwise, it can't be defined as a Conservative decision.

[goodwithagun]

No, they used the Constitution to base their rulings.  Otherwise, it can't be defined as a Conservative decision.

Really? I just did a quick search.

[Hoodat]

And?

[goodwithagun]

And?

Jefferson's private writing on church and state. Also, a group of Xbox players are currently suing Microsoft. Never expected to see that!

[INVAR]

With all due respect, do you realize that the Declaration of Independence is NOT a governing document?

No.  It's more important than the Constitution.

It's the ESTABLISHING document by which the governing document derives its existence.

Without the Establishing document - there is no governing document that would have been created for the sole purpose of limiting governance to very specific and menial things necessary for a civil society to exist with its liberty intact.

Our rights, nor the existence of liberty comes from any document from men.  It is established along with fundamental rights that a people possess to abolish the forms to which they are grown accustomed which evinces the design to render them under absolute despotism.  A reality we now live in that we lie to ourselves about because mankind are more disposed to suffer evil while evils are sufferable than right themselves.

So all kinds of excuses are made to justify existing under despotism, because such evil is sufferable, and any thoughts or efforts to abolish it are rendered distasteful by those unwilling to risk the thought of liberty.

[goodwithagun]

No.  It's more important than the Constitution.

It's the ESTABLISHING document by which the governing document derives its existence.

Without the Establishing document - there is no governing document that would have been created for the sole purpose of limiting governance to very specific and menial things necessary for a civil society to exist with its liberty intact.

Our rights, nor the existence of liberty comes from any document from men.  It is established along with fundamental rights that a people possess to abolish the forms to which they are grown accustomed which evinces the design to render them under absolute despotism.  A reality we now live in that we lie to ourselves about because mankind are more disposed to suffer evil while evils are sufferable than right themselves.

So all kinds of excuses are made to justify existing under despotism, because such evil is sufferable, and any thoughts or efforts to abolish it are rendered distasteful by those unwilling to risk the thought of liberty.

 

[Hoodat]

Jefferson's private writing on church and state.

I yield to @Bigun

Indeed! And the people who rendered those decisions should have been impeached for making them!

and to @IsailedawayfromFR

We have been obviously talking to an individual who has no comprehension of what this country's history or historical basis is.

[goodwithagun]

I yield to @IsailedawayfromFR

Okay then! It's a free country, unless you are a slave!

[endicom]

[edpc]

[Hoodat]

Okay then! It's a free country, unless you are a slave!

Slavery is unconstitutional.  You should try reading the Constitution when you have some spare time.

[goodwithagun]

Slavery is unconstitutional.  You should try reading the Constitution when you have some spare time.

Aaaaand we're back to why the CSA states seceded!

[Hoodat]

Aaaaand we're back to why the CSA states seceded!

Why they seceded doesn't matter. The point is that they had the right to secede.

Your right to free speech is not conditional upon what you have to say.  Just as a state's right to secede is not conditional upon the correct reason.

And for the record, slavery was constitutional at the time of secession.  It wasn't until the Ted Cruz/John Fremont wing of the GOP was able to force the 13th amendment into the 1864 platform.

[goodwithagun]

Why they seceded doesn't matter. The point is that they had the right to secede.

Your right to free speech is not conditional upon what you have to say.  Just as a state's right to secede is not conditional upon the correct reason.

And for the record, slavery was constitutional at the time of secession.  It wasn't until the Ted Cruz/John Fremont wing of the GOP was able to force the 13th amendment into the 1864 platform.

I posted earlier that I believe states have the right to secede. Their rights to secede end when the basis is the deprivation of the rights of others, namely slaves.

[Cripplecreek]

[Hoodat]

btw, still waiting for you to cite a Conservative Supreme Court case that was based on something other than these other (non-Constitution) documents you say came from our founding fathers.

[Hoodat]

I posted earlier that I believe states have the right to secede. Their rights to secede end when the basis is the deprivation of the rights of others, namely slaves.

No, it doesn't work that way.  You don't get to be the arbiter of that right.  Either they have that right or they do not.

btw, slavery remained legal in Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, and Missouri after those other eleven states left the Union.  So those eleven states did not secede so that they could legalize slavery.  It was already legal.

[edpc]

Jones channeling Yasser Arafat?

Maybe.  I can recall many occasions where Arafat said in interviews, 'all I want is piss.'  There seemed to be plenty of bottles filled with it flying around on Saturday.

[corbe]

    I like the TEXAS secession Threads better, JS.

[Cripplecreek]

Maybe.  I can recall many occasions where said in interviews, 'all I want is piss.'  There seemed to be plenty of bottles filled with it flying around on Saturday.

I just love this because its so much fun to ridicule Jones.

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