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He is supposed to but they will all claim it's too little too late.

We  can count on this ... but I wonder if anyone will ask what it's too late for??
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Can someone explain to me who the alt-right is...are the Nazis and White Supremacist part of them?

Depends  on who you ask. Actual Conservatives will tell you they are fascists and people with white supremacy tendencies. The left will tell you it's anyone who does not hold to their views.   Personally, I never understood how Nazis got associated with the right, since they were national socialists and socialism is not a right wing idea.
I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Can someone explain to me who the alt-right is...are the Nazis and White Supremacist part of them?

Here is the Breitbart/Milo supportive view- http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

Here is the traditional conservative view from The Weekly Standard- http://www.weeklystandard.com/what-exactly-is-the-alternative-right/article/2000310

Here is more of the modern 'tea party' type view of it from Ben Shapiro- http://www.dailywire.com/news/8638/what-alt-right-ben-shapiro

Here is the Libertarian view- https://fee.org/articles/five-differences-between-the-alt-right-and-libertarians/

I left out the liberal view, that's obvious. The only one that sees them in a favorable light is the Breitbart/Milo view.


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Okay POTUS just named them....

Good, maybe he'll take this opportunity to step up, change course, and become an adult. No more sitting on the sidelines playing internet popularity games.

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Depends  on who you ask. Actual Conservatives will tell you they are fascists and people with white supremacy tendencies. The left will tell you it's anyone who does not hold to their views.   Personally, I never understood how Nazis got associated with the right, since they were national socialists and socialism is not a right wing idea.

To the left, Nazism is all about language, borders and culture.  Anyone who stands up for these things is therefore labelled a "Nazis".   So anyone who thinks we need to better control immigration, is a "Nazi".  Anyone who believes we should preserve our culture, is a "Nazi."

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Can someone explain to me who the alt-right is...are the Nazis and White Supremacist part of them?

The guys on the left are alt-right... the guy on the right is a normal, decent human being...


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Can someone explain to me who the alt-right is...are the Nazis and White Supremacist part of them?

Nazis and White Supremacist is my understanding, back in the day we called them skin heads. But these days lots of guys shave their head for some strange reason.

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It never is.

I hope after his presser later today, this is the last the President says about this.  "I cannot speak about an ongoing investigation" should be the standard answer from this point on.

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Trump and Bannon are strong supporters of anything advantageous to themselves. Both men seem to love surrounding themselves with alt right antisemites.

From what I'm seeing it looks like most "conservatives" are sympathizers.
Well, that's the optic the Left has been pushing from at least the days of GHWB, so small wonder. The SPLC and others have been painting any two gun owning Caucasian Christians (AKA "Bitter Clingers") who meet for coffee as a Vast Right Winged Conspiracy, and the images they rarely fail to invoke are those of skinheads, the Klan, and the like.

In this case, (Charlottesville) the one group had a permit to do their little gathering in the park. Another group invaded the space, pushed those people out of the place they had a permit to have their shindig, and continued to attack the group, claiming "Free Speech".

If we change it to the Ladies' Garden Club being attacked by the Coalition to Preserve Noxious Weeds, could you see the wrong?

Regardless of who the groups were, one had the right and the permits required to hold their gathering. They had not only invoked their right to peaceably assemble but had jumped through the local hoops to obtain the permit to do so. They were attacked and driven from that permitted location by another group who was there for the express purpose of suppressing that right, in violation of the permit rules imposed on the first group. That the group who did the attacking were violent in their suppression of the other group's rights makes this all the more onerous.

One group, regardless of who they are was in the right, the other group was in the wrong.
As for the car driver running people down, that was wrong, no matter who he associated himself with, and that unnecessary level of violence is unacceptable.  Unfortunately, that is the optic of violence which will dominate the discussion of the day's events, not the violence by Antifa and BLM and the like, which makes me question the background of the driver. Some things are just a little too convenient for all the wrong people.
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Well, that's the optic the Left has been pushing from at least the days of GHWB, so small wonder

When they were running against Obama, they even called McCain and Romney "Nazis."    If you have an "R" next to your name, you're a Nazi no matter what to them.

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Ana Navarro?Verified account @ananavarro 4m4 minutes ago

If Trump had given speech like this on Saturday, we'd have commended him. On Monday, it does nothing for me. Zero. I suspect, I'm not alone.


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I doubt it...no matter what he says and when he says it is never enough!
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Excellent statement by POTUS but I thought the first one was too!

It was fine and he was correct to say 'all sides' in the first statement.  The original group with the permit just wanted to protest the statue removal and assault on heritage. Does anyone really believe there would've been trouble without the left-wing element present with their bats, clubs, and urine bottles? Of course not.
I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Nazis and White Supremacist is my understanding, back in the day we called them skin heads. But these days lots of guys shave their head for some strange reason.

I posted this on another thread. History of the term alt right:


I wonder if anyone ever stopped to consider that the term alt right wasn't in use anywhere in the media in 2015 and early 2016? And that originally, alternative right was a term used by Steve Bannon to describe a new breed of young republican as apposed to the old guard.

It had nothing to do with race until the left appropriated it to mean anything from racist to anti Semitic, nationalist, white supremacist etc.

And republicans just meekly accept the theft of language to be used by the left as a political bludgeon. Welcome to PC hell, folks.

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 According to Charles Gasparino, a source tells him Bannon is a goner. Steve Deace retweeted the quote.

I've wondered if Bannon was counseling Trump on this, and other staffers convinced him Bannon was wrong---and that he should make a new statement.

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Apparently not, since a war was fought. Face the facts: there's nothing in the USC about seceding.
Wars are fought for economic reasons. That there is nothing in the USC about seceding reserves the right.

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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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It was fine and he was correct to say 'all sides' in the first statement. 
The first statement was an infield hit. Today he hit one over the center field fence.
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The first statement was an infield hit. Today he hit one over the left field fence.

The media will just say, "A day late and a dollar short."

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I don't allow white people to lecture me on racism. I've been wanting to strangle Facebook to the floor all day.

You are not noble if you condemn racism. No one openly supports it, not even the racists. Why bring it up?
Hahahahaha....No seriously. Who is the President?


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