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Offline DCPatriot

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From our good friend, Clarice Feldman:

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As abhorrent as we might find some who allied with the Alt-right in Charlottesville, the videos and reliable accounts of the riot, show they had a permit to demonstrate and were doing so peacefully until the police funneled them into the hands of the Antifa gang who started to attack them. Looks like once again, the right to peacefully assemble is available to only one side, and the media is happy to play along,
If you thought the ACLU was right when they obtained an order for Nazis to march thru Skokie, why do you look the other way when they are being beaten up with police connivance in Charlottesville?



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But it seems that he was there:



Note that this picture was taken with a bright flash.

Agree, second photo settles the issue. But, can anybody explain the oddity of the first picture? That temple clearly crosses the edge of his ear.

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Ed, any idea what the symbol on the shields means?

They're crossed axes, often associated with white supremacy.   The first time I saw them, I thought they were rolling pins which was hilarious to me. An army of bakers?
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Whether I agree with the sign of not per above; supposedly we have a right to free speech. The left says some very nasty things but it is their right.

From Richard Spencer being punched two times on camera I understand, to the flame thrower, and on and on, provocation needs to be recognized and it is on both sides.

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  The first time I saw them, I thought they were rolling pins which was hilarious to me. An army of bakers?

Glad it wasn't just me!  lol

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To me the weird part is why some ugly guy would want to identify as an ugly woman. Queen of the howler monkeys or something...

Because they are deeply and pathologically unhappy with who they are and "if only they could be someone/something else" everything would be fine.
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They're crossed axes, often associated with white supremacy.   The first time I saw them, I thought they were rolling pins which was hilarious to me. An army of bakers?
Not just axes, but fasces, a Roman symbol of power later used as a symbol of fascism.
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Not just axes, but fasces, a Roman symbol of power later used as a symbol of fascism.

Yep, Fasces which is where the word Fascism comes from.

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Whether I agree with the sign of not per above; supposedly we have a right to free speech. The left says some very nasty things but it is their right.

From Richard Spencer being punched two times on camera I understand, to the flame thrower, and on and on, provocation needs to be recognized and it is on both sides.

One of these times, the aerosol can will literally blow up in their face, as it did to this kid in England who did it as a prank.


I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Whether I agree with the sign of not per above; supposedly we have a right to free speech. The left says some very nasty things but it is their right.

From Richard Spencer being punched two times on camera I understand, to the flame thrower, and on and on, provocation needs to be recognized and it is on both sides.
Who has the 'right' to invade a permitted assembly and incite and engage in violent behaviour?
The people in that assembly had a permit to be there, the "counter-protestors" did not. Punching someone is not "provocation": the word you are looking for is "assault".

I'm not defending the actions nor beliefs of either group, but the one group had jumped through the hoops necessary to conduct a lawful and peaceful protest. The other attacked them.

If Antifa and Co. had attacked the Daughters of the Confederacy at that venue would you see it the same way? Or the DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution)? 
« Last Edit: August 13, 2017, 04:32:51 PM by Smokin Joe »
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Ed, any idea what the symbol on the shields means?


I'll be damned. Vanguard America is a 'fascist' organization that really is fascist.

"Vanguard America stands indomitably opposed to the tyranny of globalism and capitalism, a system under which nations are stripped of their heritage and their people are turned into nothing more than units of cheap, expendable labor."

https://bloodandsoil.org/manifesto/

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One of these times, the aerosol can will literally blow up in their face, as it did to this kid in England who did it as a prank.



Hope his eyebrows grow back.
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Hope his eyebrows grow back.

According to the story at the picture source, he put out the fire by rolling in a puddle outside of a pub. Probably a puddle of 'patron recycled ale' and vomit.
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"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." – George Mason, Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 1788

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From our good friend, Clarice Feldman:

http://www.facebook.com/clarice.feldman?hc_ref=ARRyXrJLo1LGKIN-gRMmpOWey44o_nCLbBNYsYOE7N5PMJrCcdmeshfXh4EkzP48zLs&fref=nf

Sorry, but I don't know Clarice Feldman and I don't trust social media as a reliable source of information.  

Besides, I see she has a video from Infowars posted on her page.  Anything from Infowars sets off an alarm in me.

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Sorry, but I don't know Clarice Feldman and I don't trust social media as a reliable source of information. 

Besides, I see she has a video from Infowars posted on her page.  Anything from Infowars sets off an alarm in me.

Oh good grief, she is pushing the 'crisis actor' angle.

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Rally organizer punched as news conference devolves into chaos
Staff Reports 1 hr ago




A planned news conference by Jason Kessler, organizer of the white nationalist Unite the Right rally, dissolved into chaos as an angry mob chased him from in front of City Hall on the Downtown Mall.

After attempting to make remarks that were drowned out by a chanting crowd, Kessler was whisked away by authorities into the Charlottesville Police Department building.

Several in the crowd approached Kessler as he was speaking and shoved him before he was punched. He then fled on foot, led by Charlottesville police.

http://www.dailyprogress.com/newsvirginian/news/local/rally-organizer-punched-as-news-conference-devolves-into-chaos/article_917b64d0-8063-11e7-9023-732e158fd8dc.html



Let's see.  Charlottesville cop standing right there, yet no one was arrested for assault and battery.  Go figure.
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It's a shame 'we've' given them a target.

...for it's a mere hop, skip and jump to Conservative media.

They had a right to be heard.  Especially, since they had obtained the necessary civic permits.
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